And if something did maybe happen, it’s the CIA’s fault
I wonder if there are comments here that I’ve blocked
Absolutely nothing happened June 1989
Submitted 2 months ago by Godric@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 months ago
I don’t know if this is the case for other apps or anything, but on Jerboa I end up seeing blank posts (like a post but without any user or instance attributed to it) that just say “there is no record of this comment” whenever it’s someone I’ve blocked.
TheSaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
That is hilariously in-line with the joke at play
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I use these posts to tag people, so I can disregard and ridicule them in different posts.
Klear@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It was a relief when I started tagging them since I realised it’s just a small handful of people that are usually all over the comments so it looks like there’s way more of them.
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Instead of blocking them I should start tagging them so I can still clown
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Who wants to risk it and repost this to memes in .ml?
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Risk what? Will anything of value be lost?
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
The chinese narrative isn’t that nothing happened, it’s that there was a battle outside the square, including protesters lynching and burning cops and cops gunning down unarmed protesters on bikes from their trucks. This is corroborated by videos and pictures.
The western narrative of tanks going into the square and gunning down tens of thousands of protesters (after getting delayed by tank man) is blatantly false, as you can see in the uncut tankman video pans over to show the square the tanks are leaving was empty except for some bikes.
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 months ago
“After several weeks of standoffs and violent confrontations between the army and demonstrators left many on both sides severely injured, a meeting held among the CCP’s top leadership on 1 June concluded with a decision to clear the square.[15][13][14] The troops advanced into central parts of Beijing on the city’s major thoroughfares in the early morning hours of 4 June and engaged in bloody clashes with demonstrators attempting to block them, in which many people – demonstrators, bystanders, and soldiers – were killed. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.[16][17][18][19][20][21]”
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
As I said, there were clashes at major thoroughfares surrounding the square, there was not tanks gunning down masses of protesters inside the square.
YeetPics@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Like clockwork you’re here to deny the many atrocities of authoritarian despots.
What do you even get out of constantly getting your metaphoric-cock beaten into the dirt 2 dozen times a day?
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
What exactly do you think happened, and what do you think I am claiming happened?
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
sshhh, these people just want to china bad in peace.
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Can please be a moron in silence? Or go be a moron somewhere else.
“These people”… Lmao
basmati@lemmus.org 2 months ago
You’re never going to convert sinophones. It’s like trying to convert white supremacists, except even more unlikely to work since there is zero pressure to not be sinophonc in society.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Criticizing a refund isn’t racism against the people living under that regime.
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Imagine knowing what words mean.
At this point I should ask for a delicious cookie recipe…
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is no different from calling critics of Israel antisemites even though plenty of us Jews do it too.
There are a huge number of Chinese people not living in China who are very open about their contempt for Xi’s regime.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Only when someone denies the massacre do I link to these horrific NSFL photos.
roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You do know that the pictures support what he said right?
rsuri@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Your comment after being imported into China:
The chinese narrative isn’t thatnothing happened, it’s that there was a battle outside the square, including protesters lynching and burning cops and cops gunning down unarmed protesters on bikes from their trucks. This is corroborated by videos and pictures.The western narrative
of tanks going into the square and gunning down tens of thousands of protesters (after getting delayed by tank man)is blatantly false,as you can see in the uncut tankman video pans over to show the square the tanks are leaving was emptyexcept for some bikes.hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Fuck you! ACAB!
davel@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: MisinformationThis same user falsely reported Theodore Herzl to be a “fringe” Zionist yesterday. They do this rather often, I’ve noticed. I can only assume they do it as a censorship tactic.
They also mod a “disinformation” Lemmy community, presumably without a hint of irony.
- 1989 Tian’anmen Square riots
- A Note on the Tiananmen Protests
- Images from Tiananmen 1989 the West never shows (NSFW / CW: violence and death)
- Tank Man video footage. Tiananmen Square, Beijing, 1989
- The Tian’anmen Square ‘Massacre’: The West’s Most Persuasive, Most Pervasive Lie.
- How psy-ops warriors fooled me about Tiananmen Square: a warning
- [Carl Zha’s] Memories of Tiananmen Protest
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Fuck you.
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 months ago
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Well, to be perfectly clear, here in Mexico was a students massacre in the Three Cultures square in 1968. The CIA was involved.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Nice whataboutism. How hard can it be to understand that China having a shitty government does not mean that the US is perfect?
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Whatabwhat? Do you think that’s what I don’t understand? No, I get it. It’s just that, if you are an US American defending your government, I couldn’t care less about your opinion on matters of other nations.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 2 months ago
Americans will post a meme about Tianimen Square while eating a Chiquita banana.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Americans can, and will, openly discuss this stuff, and think badly of their government for it, and won’t get in trouble with the government for doing so publicly.
Maeve@midwest.social 2 months ago
And making Dole pineapple upside-down cake with Imperial Sugar.
problematicPanther@lemmy.world 2 months ago
maybe you should post it as a separate meme since people are crying about whataboutism. I hadn’t heard of this one actually.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I don’t think I can do memes of crimes against humanity, but thank you for the suggestion. Getting people to know, or be more aware, about the hideous activities of entities like the CIA is enough for me.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
24 downvotes telling me actually this never happened.
Also, nobody talk about Grenada in 1983. Or Iran Air Flight 655. Or the MOVE bombing in 1985. Or the police response to the LA Riots. Or the police response to the Iraq War protests. Or the police response to OWS protests. Or the police response to BLM protests. Or the police response to the campus protests in defense of Palestine.
That’s Whataboutism.
You can’t just talk about ACAB or discuss the broad problems of a heavily armed carceral state looking for heads to crack. Only Foreign Countries are Bad.
lseif@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
“you dont understand! nothing happened INSIDE the square! (ignore that masses were killed beside the square)”
Ferrous@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
You know those tanks were trying to leave the square, right?
Ibaudia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh, well that changes everything then /s
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 months ago
With a detour over some dead people.
YeetPics@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Someone think of the poor tanks that were tramples into a paste that had to be hosed off into the sewers.
Those poor, forgotten tanks.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
suuuuuuure
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Here’s the entire Tank Man video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq8zFLIftGk
You can see the square in the background.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Tanks have the right to self-defense, too!
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 months ago
A repeat of 1932-1933 Ukraine, really.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
There’s a huge difference between “the famine never happened” and “The widespread crop failures caused famines in some regions due to ineffective policies, bad estimates grain production, and local conflict”.
The former is just as wildly ahistorical as the “Stalin did holodomer because he was evil” that’s taught in schools.
zephr_c@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It certainly true that “Stalin did holodomer because he was evil” would be a stupid thing to say. Good thing very few people are actually saying that then.
The actual point is that when the crop failures started happening Stalin decided to make sure it disproportionately hurt non-Russians, especially Ukrainians. Whether that’s technically genocide or not depends how severe it was and what else they were doing to try to Russify the area at the time, but frankly, if we’re talking about the subtleties of the definition of genocide I hope we can agree that whether it crosses that threshold or not what happened was not okay.
hark@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why are people so laser-focused on this one event that happened over three decades ago?
BmeBenji@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Are people in China or on Chinese social media allowed to talk about it today?
hark@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Being able to talk about the genocide of the Palestinian people doesn’t seem to change anything. Turns out freedom of speech is happily granted when your speech is powerless.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Are you for real? Should we forget the people that are silenced in this world?
hark@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No, just wondering why the obsession with this one event. This particular event gets brought up more on lemmy.world than perhaps any other historical event. I would ask the same if people kept bringing up the great molasses flood and cracking the same old “slow as molasses” joke.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because there is a real effort by a government to prevent people millions of people from remembering.
Ginja@lemmy.world 2 months ago
sumguyonline@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They felt the same way the Kent State Students felt before the attack.
bi_tux@lemmy.world 2 months ago
try posting it on grad, they’ll love it
AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Or ml. Or Hexbear.
Why can’t we have a leftist instance that doesn’t suck CCP dick?
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
lemmy.world is basically that. You’ll get the most concentrated socdem/socialist engagements without traipsing into hunny-cum-shot territory.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Blåhaj is here! I don’t recall seeing a tankie with a blåhaj account, and also we have personalities outside of politics.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Marxists generally support AES, so instances that are pro-Marxism tend to be supportive of the CPC. I don’t think there are any Syndicalist instances or anything, so you’d have to go to an Anarchist server like dbzer0 or something.
bi_tux@lemmy.world 2 months ago
most communities on ml are fine tho, also I got banned on hexbear because I called the CPC (their official name) CCP
PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
db0 is pretty neutral while being intentionally left.
Malidak@lemmy.world 2 months ago
…medium.com/the-aes-doctrine-wrong-then-wrong-now…
This is a good read. There is a pretty large socialist movement that seems to have the idea that to reach global socialism we need to defend every self proclaimed socialist state without asking any questions at all and hope they’ll get better over time.
gregor@gregtech.eu 2 months ago
Solarpunk is one. I guess my instance is leftist too, however it is very tiny.
lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
From what I know, dbzer0 is libertarian left and therefore not tankie
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
A lot of bad actors on Slrpnk but overall the community is anarchist leaning, anti-dictatorship.
OpenStars@discuss.online 2 months ago
Genuinely there are a lot of people that would like that. Maybe start with a community first before an entire instance.
rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
DB0 and Solarpunk
gigachad@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Yeah .ml will be enough
MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 2 months ago
A grad is being sent to your location