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• YourShadowDani@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Tell that to the college anti-war protestors getting beat by police for literally using their first amendment right to protest and speak, and NOT blocking movement to classes at all.

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  • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, I was going to say that Kent state would be a more apt comparison. But this isn’t the issue at hand. If I go into a thread discussing Kent, the US over throw of Guatemala, etc. I am just saying I choose the evils of the US, and am here to whatabout China as a deflection. You can tell me all this stuff, that I am already keenly aware of, and it still does nothing, but miss the point.

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    • AppleTea@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is an english meme about the one event in Chinese history that gets repeated in english-speaking spaces over and over and over again. This isn’t attempting to make an argument to a Chinese audience. Why shouldn’t we draw comparisons to similar things in the US? What else would we talk about? Just a whole thread of “yeah, that’s bad” again and again? For every time this gets trotted out?

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      • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        if you have nothing to say on the subject, don’t say anything. This goes both ways. If someone is talking about, say, Kent state, and admonishing the US, and all you have is we may have shot a couple college kids, but in China they ran a bunch over with tanks, just fucking move on, and don’t comment. These additions aren’t valuable.

        Or, maybe, bring up the point you make here? Like discuss the specific concept of the english speaking world spreading that as a meme at this point. That would be way more valuable a contribution than, yet another, whataboutism.

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Let’s never forget that Jerry Seinfeld paid counter protesters over the genocide protest at UCLA.

    newsweek.com/jerry-seinfeld-wife-donates-pro-isra…

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• Dragonstaff@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Tell that to Chelsea Manning.

  Sure, the US is mostly freer with information than a country that is unabashedly authoritarian. But ask Ron DeSantis what he was doing at Guantanamo, or the CIA what they did in Latin America. If you don’t think the US hides plenty from its citizens, you haven’t been paying attention.

  Our Tianimen Square was Kent State, or maybe the MOVE Bombing, or all of the documented police violence against protesters and marginalized people. Fat lot of good it does that we can talk about them when nothing changes.

  I think it makes more sense to hold our government to account than point out the flaws of people we don’t like.

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  • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, I was actually going to say that a more apt comparison would have been Kent state.

    If the subject is Kent state, or the US para-military manipulation of south America, and all you do is come into the comments whatabouting China’s bullshit, you are there because you sided with the US, over China. This is what is happening here, in reverse. You can tell me all the long history of shit, that I already am keenly aware of, that the US have done. You are still missing the point.

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  • Maeve@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t recall Kent State protesters killing anyone.

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• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Many of us pretty much do this every day. And we have massive protests about it as well. We’re often not empowered to change much, though. We do what we can, when we can.

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  • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yes, that is the unfortunate state of reality. I am worried we a getting to that impasse where all diplomatic avenues for change have been shut down. This leaves violence as the option at hand.

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    • zephr_c@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What makes you think fighting against the US military is an easier or more practical solution than protesting, exactly?

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      • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I didn’t say it was. Protesting has been getting no where. We were burning shit down, and holding police stations hostage, for police reform. Here we are, a few years later, and we have more cops, less accountability, more money per cop spent, few to no structural changes for dealing with mental health issues, and homelessness, less security for the fourth amendment, less transparency, a backlash to the first amendment, etc. Our protests against genocide do nothing, but get people beaten, and put in jail.

        It is not easier to fight than it is to protest, but if protest is pointless, as all other avenues for change are becoming, the options left are fighting, or supplication. Hopefully people will start actually taking voting seriously. Big election, vote for the lesser evil. Local election, vote for change. It is how the minority GOP is able to hold this death grip on the government, if you need proof it works. If we can’t organize to get more of the majority of people who don’t vote, to do so, we will have no diplomatic venues left. If those who do vote don’t start taking the movements of the right far more seriously, the right will kill our power to affect change through the vote If we do affect critical change, and it brings out a government stifling of voting power, we will be similarly fucked. Once we have shown all diplomatic efforts to be ineffective, it is fight, or submit.

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• T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, sort of.

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• InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Unless they are whistle blowing something important

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  • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That is not the same as as the subject at hand, I have already addressed this, multiple times, down further. A more apt comparison would have been Kent State. Which was something that was immediately put on the news.

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    • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you do anything that threatens the powerful in the USA you will be cracked down on just as hard. Your example, Edward Snowden, or even the union wars in Appalachia. All are just as forgotten in US public mind as Tianman Square.

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      • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I still see Snowden in the news, and see the information of his documents discussed in mainstream media. Even if it was forgotten, people arern’t being swept away by the feds for talking about online, and on tv.

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