Comment on Absolutely nothing happened June 1989

• Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Americans can, and will, openly discuss this stuff, and think badly of their government for it, and won’t get in trouble with the government for doing so publicly.

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  • YourShadowDani@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tell that to the college anti-war protestors getting beat by police for literally using their first amendment right to protest and speak, and NOT blocking movement to classes at all.

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, I was going to say that Kent state would be a more apt comparison. But this isn’t the issue at hand. If I go into a thread discussing Kent, the US over throw of Guatemala, etc. I am just saying I choose the evils of the US, and am here to whatabout China as a deflection. You can tell me all this stuff, that I am already keenly aware of, and it still does nothing, but miss the point.

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      • AppleTea@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This is an english meme about the one event in Chinese history that gets repeated in english-speaking spaces over and over and over again. This isn’t attempting to make an argument to a Chinese audience. Why shouldn’t we draw comparisons to similar things in the US? What else would we talk about? Just a whole thread of “yeah, that’s bad” again and again? For every time this gets trotted out?

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    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Let’s never forget that Jerry Seinfeld paid counter protesters over the genocide protest at UCLA.

      newsweek.com/jerry-seinfeld-wife-donates-pro-isra…

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  • Dragonstaff@leminal.space ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tell that to Chelsea Manning.

    Sure, the US is mostly freer with information than a country that is unabashedly authoritarian. But ask Ron DeSantis what he was doing at Guantanamo, or the CIA what they did in Latin America. If you don’t think the US hides plenty from its citizens, you haven’t been paying attention.

    Our Tianimen Square was Kent State, or maybe the MOVE Bombing, or all of the documented police violence against protesters and marginalized people. Fat lot of good it does that we can talk about them when nothing changes.

    I think it makes more sense to hold our government to account than point out the flaws of people we don’t like.

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, I was actually going to say that a more apt comparison would have been Kent state.

      If the subject is Kent state, or the US para-military manipulation of south America, and all you do is come into the comments whatabouting China’s bullshit, you are there because you sided with the US, over China. This is what is happening here, in reverse. You can tell me all the long history of shit, that I already am keenly aware of, that the US have done. You are still missing the point.

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    • Maeve@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t recall Kent State protesters killing anyone.

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Many of us pretty much do this every day. And we have massive protests about it as well. We’re often not empowered to change much, though. We do what we can, when we can.

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, that is the unfortunate state of reality. I am worried we a getting to that impasse where all diplomatic avenues for change have been shut down. This leaves violence as the option at hand.

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      • zephr_c@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What makes you think fighting against the US military is an easier or more practical solution than protesting, exactly?

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  • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well, sort of.

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Unless they are whistle blowing something important

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That is not the same as as the subject at hand, I have already addressed this, multiple times, down further. A more apt comparison would have been Kent State. Which was something that was immediately put on the news.

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      • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you do anything that threatens the powerful in the USA you will be cracked down on just as hard. Your example, Edward Snowden, or even the union wars in Appalachia. All are just as forgotten in US public mind as Tianman Square.

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• Maeve@midwest.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And making Dole pineapple upside-down cake with Imperial Sugar.

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