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• Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Lemmy.world absolutely isn’t Leftist, it’s overwhelmingly liberal and the mods are anti-Marxist, even defederating from Marxist instances. Lemmy.world is allowed to be a liberal instance, but pretending it’s socialist is silly.

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  • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I mean, depends on the day. I see tons of very socialist/leftist memes and content posted to world. That being said, how many times do you need to circle jerk about socialism in the comments section on Lemmy? It’s not like anyone is actually going to do a proletariat revolution. At this point, it would just be Marxists “ackshually”-ing each other. I’m super bored of the lack of progress made in the discussions.

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I mean, depends on the day. I see tons of very socialist/leftist memes and content posted to world.

      Leftist messaging is increasingly popular as Capitalism decays, but that doesn’t mean everyone has read theory. Lemmy.world is largely populated by liberals sympathetic to an idealistic form of Socialism that is pure fantasy, and denounce AES as a betratal of Socialism. Blackshirts and Reds has an entire chapter dedicated to western “left” anticommunism.

      That being said, how many times do you need to circle jerk about socialism in the comments section on Lemmy?

      I’m a Marxist-Leninist, I believe Marxism to be correct and try to get others to read theory. I get deep satisfaction whenever someone changes their mind or reads theory because of what I comment and post.

      It’s not like anyone is actually going to do a proletariat revolution

      On what grounds do you say this? Revolution is happening all around the world every few years in different states, as Capitalism decays more people become sympathetic to leftism. It will likely happen latest in Imperialist countries like the US, where living standards are inflated by hyper-exploitation of the Global South, and happens all the time in the Global South. Trends exist, systems aren’t static, Capitalism cannot last forever. That would be like believing water could be continuously heated and never boil.

      At this point, it would just be Marxists “ackshually”-ing each other. I’m super bored of the lack of progress made in the discussions.

      To be clear, most Marxists don’t need to “ackshually” each other, just towards liberals. Liberals often have the same misconceptions, that doesn’t mean they aren’t changing their minds individually.

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• RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  So those people calling it neoliberal are fucking liars

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  • PugJesus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yeah, basically. ‘Neoliberal’ and ‘lib’ are just snarl words many tankies use to mean “Anyone less fascist than Mao”.

    In general, .world is much less radical than many places on Lemmy. But they’re far from neoliberals. The average poster is slightly left of a Berniecrat, probably; that is to say, either a very strong SocDem or a very weak DemSoc.

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    • Wogi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Listen all I’m saying is that if we were so far left that Bernie was center right on policy the country would be a much better place for everyone.

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      • PugJesus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Wouldn’t it be lovely? Unfortunately, we’ve got a lot of fighting on the ground to convince our fellow citizens to get their asses there instead of some weird 90s fantasy world.

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    • shroomato@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Thanks for calling tankies what they are: fascist.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Read Blackshirts and Reds, Socialism and Fascism are entirely incompatible and serve entirely different classes.

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  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The people who think .world is socialist also think socialism is when the government does things and that social democracy is a type of socialism and not a type of liberalism.

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    • Lennny@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Socialism is when the CIA goes in and kills your leader right?

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      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        The CIA tried to kill Charles DeGaulle in 1961, but if the CIA isn’t trying to kill your leader, you’re not doing socialism.

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    • PugJesus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      This is especially evident the way they get whipped into a froth any time actually existing (and former) socialist countries get brought up.

      It’s funny that all the “AES” countries that are brought up are just authoritarian states, and sometimes, for that matter, authoritarian capitalist states. It’s almost like the people championing these supposedly socialist countries are just fascists painted red.

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  • pjwestin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Eh, it’s a mixed bag. There’s a very high concentration of centrist, “vote blue, no matter who,” liberals in Political Memes. They’re not the whole instance, but they’ve made a nice little echo chamber that makes them a pretty loud minority.

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• tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I still don’t get how the far leftists (the types who think soc dems are basically the same as any flavor of lib, including libertarian, neolib, etc) are so convinced that socialism is the answer when there hasn’t been a country that even comes close to making it work. I guess China works for certain values of working, but it’s pretty capitalist these days, and you’ve got an overbearing government that goes along with it.

  Whereas countries like you see in Scandinavia, with strong soc dem policies under capitalism like high taxes on wealth and strong safety nets, seem to be doing pretty well. I get why socialism would be good in theory but implementing it is another story.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The short answer is that Socialism does work, and continues to work, and that SocDem countries like the Nordics depend on heavy exploitation of the Global South to fund their safety nets and still see shrinking worker power.

    The longer answer is that Marxists don’t believe Socialism is better than Capitalism for any moral reason, but because they are Dialectical and Historical Materialists. They track where Capitalism is necessarily heading, ie free competition gives way to monopolist syndicates with internal planning, socializing themselves and making them ripe for public ownership and central planning.

    A good primer is Why do Marxists Fail to Bring the “Worker’s Paradise?” an excellent article that goes over materialist examinations of AES states vs idealist examinations. Another good reference is Blackshirts and Reds. AES is by no means perfect, but it does and did work.

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  • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The Nordics still fucking suck, trust me.

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    • MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Is there any country that doesn’t suck?

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      • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        not to my knowledge :(

        every time Finland gets awarded the title of the happiest country I wonder how unhappy all the other countries must be

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