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• shroomato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m theory, yes. In practice the idea of socialism has been hijacked and subverted by the same ruling class to serve their nefarious needs time and time again. Y’all should focus instead on how socialism is incompatible with authoritarianism. “Power to the people” my ass.

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  • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, it has not. Read Blackshirts and Reds, which I already linked. Communist movements served the Proletariat, not the Bourgeoisie. They also were by no means perfect “worker’s paradises.” Another good article is *Why Do Marxists Fail to Bring the “Worker’s Paradise?” if you can only spare 20 minutes and not read a whole book.

    Y’all should focus instead on how socialism is incompatible with authoritarianism

    You should read On Authority, Marx and Engels were constantly hounded as “authoritarian” for advocating for central planning.

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    • shroomato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks for linking the article. I like most of its points, but I don’t agree with this materialistic outlook that the economic development is the be-all and end-all solution to implementing “true” socialism.
      I believe that the root cause of all attempts of it failing so far is that humans are selfish assholes. Unless everyone bar none starts caring about their brethren and sistren at least as much as they care about themselves, the system can’t work. It’s simply too prone to being overtaken by bad faith actors who will inevitably abuse it for self serving purposes in the name of “socialism”.

      Marx and Engels were constantly hounded as “authoritarian” for advocating for central planning.

      Well maybe these two guys were a product of their time and had some not-so-good ideas, so not every word of theirs should be taken as a gospel.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for linking the article. I like most of its points, but I don’t agree with this materialistic outlook that the economic development is the be-all and end-all solution to implementing “true” socialism.

        There’s no such thing as “true socialism,” that’s part of the point of the article.

        I believe that the root cause of all attempts of it failing so far is that humans are selfish assholes. Unless everyone bar none starts caring about their brethren and sistren at least as much as they care about themselves, the system can’t work. It’s simply too prone to being overtaken by bad faith actors who will inevitably abuse it for self serving purposes in the name of “socialism”.

        Why do you think Socialism cares about thinfs like self-serving people?

        Well maybe these two guys were a product of their time and had some not-so-good ideas, so not every word of theirs should be taken as a gospel.

        Not as gospel, sure, but they have been proven correct.

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