Technically the existance of non-binaries also makes the binaries no longer binaries (due to increased optionality), so it would be fair to say everyone is non-binary
Non-binary
Submitted 11 months ago by realitista@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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justcallmelarry@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
radix@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Good point!
embed_me@programming.dev 11 months ago
And when everyone is non-binary, no one is 😔
constantturtleaction@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s not how that works. If there isn’t a binary (because there is more than 2 options) then this would be a non-binary system and so everyone would be non-binary.
constantturtleaction@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Was looking for this comment. Thank you.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What up my hexadecimals
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’s just like Hangul, but for computer numbers.
Once you’re quite good at reading hexadecimals, you no longer need to look up binary, though you still need decimal-hexadecimal conversion, which is slower.
gmtom@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There are only 2 numbers
- 0/1
- all the other numbers
cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 11 months ago
All the other numbers can be written wit 0/1
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Counterpoint: Floating-point inaccuracies.
gmtom@lemmy.world 11 months ago
All numbers can be written with |
Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You joke but in astronomy there are only three elements. Hydrogen, helium, and metal. Which is just every other element together in one group.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 11 months ago
1 is the loneliest
uis@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Define “all the other numbers”. Do we include only natural numbers? Or all instegers? Or even rational numbers? Do we include imaginary numbers? How about complex numbers? Orbetter go for quaternions?
gmtom@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Define "all the other numbers
If its a number and it isn’t exactly 0 or 1.
stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Feel like there’s a Set Theory issue with this but I barely understand what little I can remember about it.
pooberbee@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Does the gender of all non-self-containing genders contain itself? This is the fundamental question of gender theory.
radix@lemm.ee 11 months ago
No, it’s only Russell’s question.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
A bit can have two states:
trueorfalse. Additionally, the bit can be disabled altogether (null).
raynethackery@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Whatever, just wash your hands.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And don’t talk to me. I’d rather be surrounded by twelve “women” (i.e. trans men) in the men’s room (or even just women) than one cis guy who insists on having a conversation with me.
I’m not there to make friends.
Soulg@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Never understood this. Standing at a urinal and someone walks up and starts talking to me, like no dude shut up
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The two genders: Binary and Non-binary.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There are non-binary people who still believe genders can suit others, and even be played with as forms of role play …and there are also examples of null states, such as nullos and asexuals…
…so non-binary doesn’t necessarily make a new binary of they still believe gender is fine for others, or as a role play.
A better way to think about it might be as a gender spectrum or quadratic continuum of varied characteristics and overlapping body forms and sexual preferences and behaviour.
…queer.
disgrunty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Asexuality isn’t a gender. We’re just not attracted to people of any gender. Our gender identity is separate.
NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
To be fair, it calls then categories, not genders
Zachariah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What if I’m naan binary (preferably garlic)?
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
when peshwari exists?
Zachariah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m peshwari-curious.
PurplebeanZ@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No…Keema is the right choice
CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If there already exists “a binary” then that says there are 2 states. “Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states. This could be unary (there is one kind of thing), trinary (there are now 3 things, the old 2 and new, secret 3rd thing), or really any n-ary set of n distinctly numbered things, so long as there aren’t only exactly 2 of them.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states.
The state of having two states and the state of not-having-two-states is itself a two-state solution.
Unfortunately, once you rule out non-binary as a third state, you collapse back into the original binary state. Thus, non-binary exists as a quantum superposition between states, as we fluctuate between whether or not being non-binary is politically correct.
Zachariah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But can a two-state solution really work?
Klear@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But nobody is in the state of having two states, though. People range from being in one state to “it’s complicated”.
CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I want to upvote the OP for presenting an interesting discussion but downvote them for being wrong. This presents a case for a non-binary voting option.
A singular like button would still only express one portion of my sentiment. A third option could be many things, none are sufficient: a none or 0 or neutral option is effectively not voting, a sideways arrow or maybe state, or mixed state would express indecision or indeterminism rather than mixed feelings.
Therefore, I propose that a second positive-negative axis is required. The addition of these “sideways” arrows allow expressing 2 kinds of sentiment: towards the post content, and towards the poster themselves. I will not specify whether left or right is positive nor will i clarify which axis (x or y) corresponds to which kind of sentiment. I’m sure this undefined behavior will cause no problems.
Here is your composite vote in the new system: ↖️
realitista@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The choice between a traditional up-down vote and a new non-up-down vote must have been a tough one.
match@pawb.social 11 months ago
I’m considering identifying as unary now. God only made one gender and “male and female” are mental illnesses caused by the original sin 😔
CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 11 months ago
One world, one gender, one love 💗
droans@lemmy.world 11 months ago
God cloned Adam to make Eve, thus we all are the same gender. Wake up sheeple!
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
postmanbrown@lemmings.world 11 months ago
“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice”
realitista@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 11 months ago
lowleveldata@programming.dev 11 months ago
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
You can argue that about any label of any kind but we have to live in reality, which means people are going to sort themselves and others. “We know who we are by who we are not.“ I just don’t see that stopping.
It’s kind of like “black owned businesses.” Yeah in an equal society we would all just say “businesses” but we don’t live in one so we need to highlight a group of business owners that are inherently at a disadvantage.
Talaraine@fedia.io 11 months ago
That's so sad to me. From my POV being non-binary isn't aggressive. It's just that there are more important things to worry about than gender.
lowleveldata@programming.dev 11 months ago
I think it’s just the term. “Binary” isn’t exactly neutral as it can imply narrow minded. Also labelling non-X imply that everyone else is X which often includes too many people that are kind of in the middle / doesn’t really care.
stembolts@programming.dev 11 months ago
I’m going to use “you” a lot in this post but know I’m using the global definition, I’m not directly addressing you.
Right, but you must realize that is your perception and not reality.
If you’ll allow me to take some liberties and use you as an example :
They are asking you to change your perception of them.
You are asking them to change/disregard their reality to conform to your existing perception.One can be done, one cannot. They’ll still be what they are and now their way of defining themselves is forbidden, by who? Why? This path seems completely irrational.
And what value does your perception hold anyway? The meaning of every word, sound, and thought in your head is arbitrary, it’s all made up. So obviously language needs to be calibrated with reality from time to time.
Language has changed to such an extreme degree that you wouldn’t understand your own language 300, 1,000, 5,000 years ago. Why not be upset about that? Seems kinda silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724, eh?
That is how I feel about those who oppose groups of people seeking to better define themselves. “I don’t feel what they describe, they’ve organized millions of people who claim to feel the same way to fuck with me, I’m mad!”
TLDR, it’s logical for language to change and people to carve out niches. Humans aren’t born male and female only, so it seems silly to puritanically declare that because of an ancient understanding of humans, we should ignore modern biology.
lowleveldata@programming.dev 11 months ago
I’m not sure what you are trying to say
They are asking you… You are asking them…
Where did this come from? Why am I grouped into some kind of hater group suddenly?
Language has changed … silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724
Ya and I was commenting on how I don’t like the choose of word in this specific change. Why not use better words when you start to describe something new?
In addition, many were mutilated as newborns
This sounds like a horror story. What?
Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
I dunno if there is much “we” inside the non-binary community. Like Non-binary is an umbrella term that encapsulates everything from a both/neither/almost but not quite binary/gender fluid betwixt multiple states/people who identify as trans non-binary, people who identify as non-trans non-binary/ cultural third genders/ political gender activists /DID people with alters that swap… There’s a lot of different concepts and sometimes contradictory needs there.
Like people tend to just group non-binary people into a third category and don’t really ask questions of individuals what their actual deal is. I blew a friend’s mind recently when he introduced his enbyfriend to me and while we were out on a walk I asked “Apart from the umbrella non-binary term how do you conceptualize yourself?” because he had never thought to ask that question of either of us.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Ok then, noninteger.
S0UPernova@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Can I identify as NaN?
Meron35@lemmy.world 11 months ago
chellomere@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I float!
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We all float down here
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
nonunsignedlonglong
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 11 months ago
non__u128_t
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
nonus for short
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Nono you misunderstand. It’s not “non-binary”.
I’m calling myself enby, which is short for ein bisschen gay.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s always hilarious and frustrating when people who don’t understand a topic try to disprove it. This is the same energy as flat earthers pointing to the horizon and going “See!?!” or anti-vaxxers pointing out people who still get sick.
Anyone who thinks this logic is compelling should actually crack a book. I’d recommend Judith butlers gender trouble, but this sort of meme is peak dunning kruger. Literally too ignorant of a topic to actually argue against it.
veneficium@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Reminds me of the: everything is either a duck or not a duck
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
One day aliens are going to meet us and wonder what happened in our evolution that made us biased towards seeing every noun in groups of two, except for rules of nouns which are in groups of three.
moon@lemmy.cafe 11 months ago
Math.round(gender);
Resol@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Genders in the Dutch language: common and neuter
amio@kbin.social 11 months ago
"Troll logic" is one of my favorite memes.
Exactly like being hit by lightning at any instant has a 50% risk because either it happens or it doesn't.
boatsnhos931@lemmy.world 11 months ago
VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My pronouns are infinite/recursion
Lotarion@lemmy.world 11 months ago
That’d effectively be a nested binary system
bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Non-binary is an umbrella term for many identities so it’s not binary to sort “binary and non-binary.”
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Pretty basic math and semantic error here by excluding the original reason “binary” meant 2 types.
GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Transphobia on lemmy with 400 upvotes… this website is getting worse every day
BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
When I see that kind of argument, I think of tri-state logic gates.
Those gates can be in 3 states High, Low, and Hi-Z.
If we look at non-binary people from that angle they must be in the Hi-Z state.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
actually, technically it would be a trinary system, if we’re looking at it like a spectrum, and if we’re looking at it like a spectrum, i think it’s funnier to conceive of it like a circle. Or to get the point across, like those political alignment charts.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Male, Female, and a Secret Third Thing
Toes@ani.social 11 months ago
We all live in a state of quantum flux.
LeFrog@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
There are also only two different animals: elephants and non-elephants.
whodatdair@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant.
needthosepylons@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This comment needs way more approval
casmael@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I think you are mistaken actually the different types of animal are frogs and not frogs
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
There are bullfrogs and elephant bulls, so we can conclude that {🐸}∩{🐘}⊂{🐂}
saigot@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Your both wrong there are crabs and then there are crabs 🦀🦀🦀🦀
MamboGator@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I am frog-fluid. Some days I am a frog and others I am not frog.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Crabs and not yet crabs.
Facebones@reddthat.com 11 months ago
You either are crabs or have crabs
cows_are_underrated@feddit.de 11 months ago
By crab
erie09@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Are these elephants in the room right now?
lugal@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
As a non-elephant in the room I feel overlooked
nifty@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The elephants exist in a state of being in the room and not being in the room
Zyansheep@programming.dev 11 months ago
There are elephants, non-elephants, and undetermined elephants.
This comment was made by the intuitionistic and/or fuzzy logic gang.