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  • riodoro1@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    donald tr*mp gets 10 warnings for intimidating witnesses and indefinite trial postponement for hoarding snd most likely leaking classified documents.

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    • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      People keep trying to convince me it’s not evidence of two justice systems.

       

      But it is.

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      • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s evidence that we live in corporatocracies masquerading as “democracies”. The 0.1%, shielded by the liability protections of the corporations they own and armies of lobbyists, finance our politics, choose who ends up on the ballot, and shadow write most of our legislation and policies.

        Trump is free because he is a part of that < 0.1%.

        The Boeing execs who oversaw systemic fraud, lied to the FAA, and murdered 166 people ARE FREE AND RICH. Why? Because they are the 0.1%.

        The IPCC hosts fossil fuelled climate summits in fossil fuel exporting countries, inviting fossil fuel corporations and lobbyists to attend — at a scientific conference about how to solve the crisis they created and profited from. Why? Because we live in corporatocracies.

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      • fossphi@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think this is a consequence of any (unregulated) capitalistic system in general. The system is founded on money, more money will give anyone more influence and power over the system

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      • ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s the subtle difference between a JUSTICE system and a LEGAL system.

        One aims to maintain law and order in society in a fair and equal way regardless of one’s status or situation.

        The other is a system gamed to benefit the richest and wealthiest individuals to get away with everything.

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      • aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        At risk of sounding cringe, it’s evidence of one injustice system.

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      • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Someone should look up the maximum sentence for what he’s been charged with. The current biggest hold-ups are not being able to make someone appear in multiple trials in different places simultaneously, and avoiding the appearance that the court is trying to interfere with an election.

        You don’t want the court to not care about the appearance of interfering with elections, or else you’ll have the GoP trying to get Democrat politicians on dubious charges that they’ll definitely not be guilty of but will definitely bury them in scandal and prevent them from campaigning effectively.

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    • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For the record, Aaron Swartz never actually went to trial, nor was he “sentenced” to anything.

      Federal prosecutors came after him with overzealous charges in an effort to make him accept a plea deal (they do that a lot), which he rejected. It would have gone to court where the feds would have had to justify the charges they were bringing.

      But that never happened because he killed himself.

      We don’t actually know how this all would have played out.

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      • riodoro1@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The comment in OPs post is misleading but he did nevertheless kill himself because of the justice system trying to prosecute him for accessing science most likely funded by public money in the first place.

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      • brbposting@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And will never know, selfishly speaking, the possible extent of his further contributions to society. Died at 26 after an incredible life already.

        Besides his life, what else did they steal from us?

        RIP Aaron

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    • obinice@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      donald tr*mp gets 10 warnings for intimidating witnesses and indefinite trial postponement for hoarding and most likely leaking classified documents. Sweet sweet justice.

      Why are you censoring Donald Trump’s name? Is it a swear word now in your country?

      We’re big girls here, we can take a little rude language, don’t worry :)

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      • riodoro1@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t know why but i just didn’t want to type that slur.

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  • grandma@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Articles paid for by the public through grants btw

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      With authors often paying for open access publications literally out of their very own money, not just grants.

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      • hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not at the time this happened. Aaron’s case was one of the motivating factors that led to the Open Access publication movement gaining enough traction that authors could publish that way. JSTOR access is paid for and administered on college campuses by libraries and librarians as a whole field felt terrible both about the paid publication system and the way Aaron was treated. As a community of professionals, the Librarian and Information Science community pushed very hard for the adoption of Open Access publishing into the Academic community.

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  • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He was not sentenced to 35 years. The trial hadn’t finished. 35 years was the maximum possible sentence.

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    • GluWu@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      35 yearsax, plea for 1/2 that was rejected. He was going to get the book thrown at him to make an example. 5 years minimum but I wouldn’t doubt 10-20.

      The rapist traitor that headed a insurrection on Jan 6 2021 has never spent a day in jail and is still the frontrunner for president to be legally elected in 2024.

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      • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        still the frontrunner for president to be legally elected in 2024.

        The front runner? Really?

        I’m not being sarcastic. Im genuinely interested, but can’t be arsed to start going through polls because it’d mean going through the biases of the pollers.

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      • charonn0@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        plea for 1/2 that was rejected

        The rejected plea was for 6 months.

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    • mozz@mbin.grits.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He committed the idealist's perennial sin: He thought that because the system is bullshit, it's okay not to play ball with it.

      "Hey this is a bunch of crap. I can be guilty or innocent, and the right move is always to plead guilty even if I didn't do a damn thing wrong, because if I try to fight the case they're gonna tack on a ton of new charges and they almost always win and I might go away for most of my life."

      "Preach."

      "I'm gonna plead not guilty because I didn't do anything wrong."

      "No no no no no that is not the way to reform the system no no no that is a bad mistake"

      Aaron Swartz was a fuckin hero. Read his posthumous book, it is wonderful. But the same idealism and faith that led him to the good thing he did in his painfully short time here, also led him not to understand how to engage with the US federal government and keep your skin fully intact.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah. Don’t talk to cops. Get a sympathetic/movement lawyer. And this is fucking crucial, do what they say.

        A lot of idealistic people understand that you can sell your soul piecemeal and are always in danger of it. But they don’t really understand what not giving up your values is vs not doing what’s smart. You take the plea deal unless you have to rat someone out. And also you don’t commit crimes you aren’t comfortable with the consequences of.

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    • Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For bulk downloading science journals he had access to.

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      • refalo@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        for breaking and entering*

        and DoS

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    • xor@infosec.pub ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      also he worked with wikileaks… i think he was named as a source posthumously…

      he also wrote an open source system of servers that function exactly like wikileaks submission system (actually i think it is, given clues as to how it operates… like the manning chat logs)
      dead drop is now called “open drop” and powers every major newspaper’s leak submission system…

      he was murdered.

      not only the did it make no sense, given the 6 month plea bargain option, but he was an outspoken activist and would’ve at least left a note… in the form of some post online…

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  • Bruhh@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If I remember correctly, it wasn’t even illegal since these scientific articles should have been public to begin with because they used public funds.

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    • SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That may be so, but IIRC he was charged with breaking into their networking room and illegally tapping into their network to get the articles:

      dailymail.co.uk/…/Aaron-Swartz-MIT-surveillance-s…

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      • RGB3x3@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well that’s definitely burying the lede from the OP.

        It wasn’t the sharing part they had a problem with, it was the B&E and hacking.

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      • K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That also may be so, but 35 years is fucked up for that. pretty sure child porn first time offenders is like 15 to 30 so hacking MIT for stuff that should have been free gets you more jail time then a first CP offence. OK thats fucked up

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      • rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I hacked my highschool servers when I was young and shared the upcoming exams, so everyone could prepare for them. Someone told the authorities, all I got was some extra exercise. Sure it wasn’t MIT, but still 35 years is ridiculous, even a year of prison would have been ridiculous.

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    • ivofcups@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Paradoxically, that’s not how science jourals work. There are no difference between public or prívate funds in this regard.

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  • Omniraptor@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Shout out to Alexandra elbakyan. She continues the great work by running sci-hub and libgen, but lives safely out of reach of the american criminal “justice” system 💔

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  • Hubi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He didn’t even share them as far as I know, he just downloaded them. And the trial hadn’t started yet when he committed suicide.

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    • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He didn’t get the chance to share them because he was caught downloading them.

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    • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Downloading isn’t a crime, is it?

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      • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He was being charged under the CFAA, a hacking criminal statute that prohibits unauthorized access to computer systems. It was controversially being stretched to cover Aaron’s conduct that violated TOS by an ambitious prosecutor.

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      • CaptObvious@literature.cafe ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, but he obviously felt that JSTOR could persuade a court to make it one. Poor kid.

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      • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You wouldn’t download a car would you??

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  • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oil CEOs pay fines for bringing about a global climate catastrophe. Fascist politicians are given slaps on the wrist for an attempted coup d’etat. Government officials open commit gross violations of privacy and suffer no consequences.

    But a guy hacks a university network and downloads a hoard of scientific articles that should have been freely accessible to begin with and he gets 35 years in prison.

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    • lemmeee@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Remember Kim Dotcom? He had a file sharing website and the police raided his house with guns like he was a dangerous criminal. There is a video of it on YouTube.

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      • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Honestly I had forgotten about the whole MegaUpload stuff.

        Given, Kim Dotcom had a long history of being a trash person before the MegaUpload raid; Trading in stolen credit card info, embezzlement, black-hat hacking, etc… But he definitely didn’t deserve to get swatted just because he hosted a site that was popular with media pirates. The police used his prior convictions as justification for their heavy-handed tactics. But the reality is that they likely would have gone in with SWAT even if he had a squeaky clean record beforehand.

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    • Hackworth@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s a recent Radiolab episode about those that have taken up his mantle and the impact he’s had on scientific publishing.

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  • charonn0@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s not exactly what happened.

    Aaron committed suicide before his case went to trial, and so he was never convicted let alone sentenced. 35 years was never even likely; had it gone to trial there’s every reason to think he’d have been acquitted outright, or at worst given a slap on the wrist. Not that he should have even been charged, of course.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well now I’ve got two competing claims, and I can’t believe either one until I see the authoritative history on it

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      • thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There’s a documentary on YouTube called “The internet’s own boy”, if you want to learn more. Basically, he was offered a 6 month plea, but he would be a convicted felon, and basic logic/morality tells you that you shouldn’t plead guilty to a crime that you didn’t commit. However, the justice is very imperfect, and often people plead guilty for reduced sentencing even if they’re not guilty. He stood on principle until his legs gave out. they were already in millions spent in attorney fees. Not a shred of justice can be found in how Aaron’s story ended.

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      • charonn0@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        web.archive.org/web/20140721052709/…/story.html

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      • ShepherdPie@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Robert Evan’s did a Behind the Bastards episode on this back in December I believe.

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    • ShepherdPie@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Also JSTOR never wanted him prosecuted only to have the files deleted and call it a wash. It was MIT that supported prosecution and who called the fuzz in the first place.

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  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i would say jstor are cunts, but actually it’s the US government that were being cunts here.

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    • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Law Enforcement and the Justice System have every responsibility to enforce laws as they were given, JSTOR pressed charges and the US Government offered Auron a plea deal to reduce his sentence to 6 months.

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      • zik@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I thought there was a prosecutor who pursued this beyond all reasonable bounds, making Aaron’s life a living hell and driving him to suicide?

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      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        and the US government was almost definitely trying to make an example out of him: literally anybody who read the case details whatsoever.

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      • vfye@toast.ooo ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Only prosecuting district attorneys can chose to bring a crimial charge to court.*

        *except in north carolina… for some reason they actually let victims prosecute.

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  • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He didn’t transfer or share he only downloaded.

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    • Evrala@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s also likely that he was never intending to share them. One of the things he was looking to do is aquire a large dataset to analyze trends.

      In other words, he was charged for entirely legit use.

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      • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I recon he was looking for a specific trend the us government really didn’t want him to prove they had been forcing.

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    • koavf@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He also was not sentenced. This post is misinformation.

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  • fossphi@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I highly recommend watching the documentary on him, Internet’s own boy.

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    • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Behind the Bastards dedicated their last Christmas episode to Aaron as well: iheart.com/…/part-one-christmas-hero-episode-aaro…

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      • Lianodel@ttrpg.network ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Just for context for those who haven’t heard the podcast: the Christmas episodes often center around non-bastards. This is one of those. :P

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    • Azzu@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Link archive.org/…/TheInternetsOwnBoyTheStoryOfAaronSw…

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  • Sagittarii@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Reddit could’ve been so good with him at the helm…

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good thing we’ve got a second opportunity. ;)

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      • Dkarma@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He’s dead so no we dont

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      • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Lemmy is already cooked

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    • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He likely wouldn’t’ve stayed. We’d be better off with him anyways. He was moving towards activism and politics. He’d probably either be a prisoner or a congressman by now. And like honestly, we could use a congressman like him.

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  • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The most infuriating thing was and still is the fact that some people justify the sentence and blame him for killing himself.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well killing oneself is always one’s own choice, but it’s terrible that he was given such a ridiculous sentence for no more than a copyright issue. Not even sure if he made money on the material, but even if he did he should have gotten maybe a fine, and imprisonment is just insane.

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      • Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        He wasn’t sentenced, he died before he could go to trial or accept a plea deal, but there is record of a 6 month jail sentence being offered to him.

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  • Kalysta@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He’s probably rolling in his grave at the enshittification of reddit now too

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  • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Judicially murdered by Carmen Ortiz.

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  • Legend@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They got the wrong reddit founder .

    (not that I wish that on spez even tho he is bad I don’t think he is that bad )

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    • MovingThrowaway@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Eh mister “I will own slaves after the apocalypse” probably doesn’t deserve the grace

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  • umbraroze@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The weirdest shit about this is that JSTOR apparently has a very expansive social media presence.

    They have an official Tumblr account.

    I had to follow it out of morbid curiosity.

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  • FluffyPotato@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s a reason the EU doesn’t extradite their citizens to the US: the justice system is considered inhumane.

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  • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Frankly, I don’t think that was enough to make Aaron commit suicide. However, having close relations like Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian completely turn sour and blame him probably did, and I’m akin to believe they did given how hard they doubled down on “well, Aaron really wasn’t that great of a guy” narrative.

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  • Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Think I’m gonna be taking the solidarity approach pretty soon. Humanity is truly a cancer.

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  • sfunk1x@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is like the Oliver Stone science meme kind of fact.

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  • chillbo_baggins@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I never heard of this guy before today. What a goat RIP AARON SCHWARTZ

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    • retrieval4558@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s a good behind the bastards episode on him (a good guy holiday episode; he’s not a bastard)

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    • absentbird@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He was one of the inventors of Reddit.

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  • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    he didn’t even share the articles did he? it was an “intent” crime.

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  • Granixo@feddit.cl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Jesuschrist. 🤦‍♂️

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  • koavf@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Please don’t spread misinormation.

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    • irreticent@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can’t make a claim like that without elaborating why you think it’s misinormation [SIC].

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    • AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What about this is misinformation?

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  • muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is propaganda he got sucicided. And he didnt transfer or share scientific articles he simply downloaded them thats all. This poat is extremely damaging as its almost correct juat slightly shifting the commonly accepted reality of history. This is not the first time I’ve seen posts about him here doing a simmillar thing this raises the question who’s trying to rewrite history and what for?

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  • index@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    bits are not bugs

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  • pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    help, why does it looked photoshopped (aaron swartz)

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