Baldur's Gate 4 Isn't Next For Larian; Something Bigger Is Coming | Spot On | Gamespot

Submitted ⁨⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ampersandrew@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨games@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egQgPD1wd7A

This is a really good interview. tl;dw is…

-their next game was going to be D&D, but they changed course and are doing something else now -Vincke has a vision for “the one RPG to rule them all”, and each of their past three RPGs is a step closer to it -the next game is not going to be that master vision but one step closer toward it, with their previous 3 RPGs proving out emergent design/multiplayer, story and consequence, and personal stories/performance capture, respectively -Vincke would like to have this next game done in 3 years compared to BG3’s 6 year development cycle, but realistically expects 4 years, as long as there isn’t something like COVID-19 or a war in Ukraine to impede their progress

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Mongostein@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Yeah Wizards of the Coast isn’t the same company as when they signed the deal for BG3.

Smart of them to ditch the sinking ship that is D&D.

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- ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Sinking ship or not, word was that Wizards’ cut of BG3 was over $90M. $100M was the entire production cost of Baldur’s Gate 3. If you could fund an entire other massive video game for the cost of what you paid your partner for licensing, I’m sure anyone would be rethinking that deal. At this point, they don’t need the D&D license any more than BioWare needed the Star Wars license after KOTOR.
  
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  - Mongostein@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Thanks for expanding on my point.
    
    They don’t need WotC as they keep fucking up. Other RPG systems are becoming more and more popular.
    
    Maybe they can partner with Paizo and make the next Pathfinder game, although I’d feel bad for Owlcat because their games have been great too.
    
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  - lanolinoil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    They do ~6B a year and clear about a billion, so that’s actually like 10% of their profit which is a lot for a company that big – wow!
    
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  - UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    any more than BioWare needed the Star Wars license after KOTOR.
    
    Glances at Starfield
    
    Maybe not your strongest point
    
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- trslim@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah, I’ve been moving over to Call of Cthulhu with my tabletop group. I find it far more enjoyable when the players are more careful about dying or worse.
  
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Chet_Awesomelad@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I really like the way that he thinks, with each game being a way to learn new systems / implement new tools / increase the studio's knowledge and skill. Such a great way to take on projects - it ensures that each game brings something new to the table, and it puts you in an even better position to tackle the next project.

My only request for the next game is: please don't have it start with the player imprisoned on a ship and for the ship to be attacked by monsters so the player can use the chance to escape into a deadly situation only to be rescued at the last second by an unknown powerful being before waking up on a beach. Twice is enough, thanks.

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- Soggy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  What if you’re imprisoned on a cart and attacked by a dragon? Or just released from prison on a boat and dropped off in a swampy beach town? The fantasy RPG genre requires starting as a convict or prisoner, you see.
  
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  - swab148@startrek.website ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Just once I’d like to start a D&D video game like a real D&D game: in a tavern trying to get wasted and then someone barges in saying something about goblins or some shit, and I’m about six deep so I say, “Fuck it, we ball.”
    
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- Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I disagree, and now think Larian should start every game like this. Next Divinity? Pirate ship. Games Workshop has them make a game? Escape from a Citadel.
  
  Every Tad says “ah shit, here we go again…”
  
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  - Don_alForno@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Every Tad says “ah shit, here we go again…”
    
    It’s canonically always the same Tav repeatedly getting dragged into these weird “save the world” situations.
    
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  - Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    They could turn that into a running theme, like how every Elder Scrolls protagonist is a prisoner to start with…
    
    But Divinity already has a long history and so does Baldur’s Gate so…ehh, doesn’t fit in quite as well. Maybe with a new IP they make it a tradition for.
    
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- rustydrd@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  As long as my journey starts on a beach, I don’t care what came before.
  
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- Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  What’s the other game? Because if it’s not Arcanum we have a 3rd.
  
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Gork@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Something Bigger Is Coming

Baldurs Gate 5?

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- lanolinoil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Larian Dating Sim 2025
  
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  - Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s just BG3
    
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  - sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Nah, theyve secretly acquired yandere simulator
    
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- Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The search for Baldur’s Gate 4.
  
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  - WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Builders Gate: the Flamethrower!
    (The kids really like this one)
    
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- shadearg@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  How It Feels To Chew 5 Gum, The Experience.
  
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- misk@sopuli.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They could get on with BG3 = DOS3 thing and just go ahead with Divinity: Original Sin 4 for their next title.
  
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- ivanafterall@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Baldur's Gate 360
  
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- grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Baldur’s Fence
  
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umbraroze@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m, like, oof? History repeating itself much?

There was this little RPG company, BioWare, that made this little known game called… uh… Baldur’s Gate or something. Then they made Baldur’s Gate II. And all was fine. And then they said “you know what, we should do something really cool and innovative and creative!” …And they did! They made Neverwinter Nights. And Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro was a real drag in the process, wanting them so many compliance meetings regarding the content and canon and game mechanics. So Bioware was like “OK this is the absolute last time we work with this kind of nitpickers, we’ll create our own fantasy RPG setting and system.” …and that’s how Dragon Age came about.

WotC/Hasbro isn’t any easier to work with these days, that’s for sure. Except this time, even the tabletop fans know that.

Hopefully Larian gets to eventually make the epicest dream game they can and, uh, not get bought out by EA or something.

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- SuperSaiyanSwag@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Kinda backwards with Larian as they already made critical hits before BG3. Which were critical hits already.
  
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  - MalachaiConstant@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The divinity games definitely felt inspired by DND. I’ve even been able to convince friends (including some who don’t play video games at all) to pick it up because of how similar it feels to tabletop. Larian was a natural choice for BG3 and I’m convinced that was part of the vision with their early work
    
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- Kiosade@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Whether they get bought out is up to the owner(s) right? If they refuse, then that’s that.
  
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  - trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I think Larian is already partly owned by someone (Tencent?) so EA is unlikely
    
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lanolinoil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Divinity 2 mechanics > BG3 even though BG3 is obviously the ultimate masterpiece. Pumped to see what they do

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- Floey@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If we are taking about battle mechanics I hope they come up with a new system all together. I think both the OS2 and BG3/DnD mechanics were serviceable, and it was fun to play out fights. But neither was much of a challenge and fights didn’t often feel like unique puzzles.
  
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  - lanolinoil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah – I just mean their ability to make a system for video games is better than paper adaptation
    
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- YaksDC@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I enjoyed BG3 more than any game since Witcher: Wild Hunt. Do you think Divinity 2 would be for me? I am looking for a new long play game.
  
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  - specialseaweed@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Absolutely.
    
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  - NotAGuyInAHat@lemmynsfw.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s highly similar. You need to try it
    
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  - lanolinoil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    yes
    
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  - Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If you are going to play Divinity 2, start with Divinity 1
    
    They both have differences in mechanics, but play about the same. The only main difference is that Divinity is only 2 player, while Divinity 2 is 4 player like BG3
    
    But the mechanics of both Divinity games are build around it being video games. Meaning it is a better experience. In comparison with BG3, which was build as a TTRPG and only converted to a video game.
    
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  - grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yes. I personally prefer the combat of Divinity 2, but overall they are very, very similar games
    
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- Jocarnail@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’m not sure I agree. DoS2 mechanic are cool, but the combat becomes way to chaotic for my liking. Also you do one mistake and now half your party is dead and the other half is on fire.
  
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  - PotatoKat@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That was exactly what I loved about DoS2
    
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li10@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I know Lemmy hates it, but I really think AI could play a core part in the future of multiple choice RPGs.

I’m not saying let it be free and build the entire game, but if you train a model to be a certain character and add limitations so it doesn’t go too wild, then that could be massive imo.

Still have a human storyline and imagination behind the game, but use AI like the tool it is for certain parts.

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- bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Seriously? You play a game like Baldur’s Gate 3 and your first thought was “damn, this game could really benefit from having less handcrafted, professionally written dialogue”
  
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  - FunkyMonk@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I speak to enough dipshits at work spewing word salad, this is what I wanted with my escapism, people who follow the fucking conversation not some AI bot resume filling buzzwords about the plot.
    
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  - li10@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It can have both.
    
    You could have a fully man made storyline, but then expand the world in a way that is currently impossible.
    
    Even if you train a model for main characters/stories, it would still be built off the work of writers, the model would simply be the character they’ve written.
    
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  - june@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In the future I think it’s a really viable option to create more immersive and interactive games. The technology is pretty far away though, not to mention I don’t think most machines could handle the load while also running a game. It’s at best a dream right now, but a pretty interesting idea for 15 years from now.
    
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  - lanolinoil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You only get one BG3 every lifetime though – It was how I thought games would be when I was a kid almost perfectly, but it is the only one…
    
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  - Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Not less handcrafted, but AI enhanced on top of the already excellent written dialogue.
    
    If I want my entire BG3 gameplay to be about grilled cheese, then I would be able to when talking to every NPC while still getting the excellent story about mindflayers. The cheese is just on top.
    
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- ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Unless I see major advancements in the technology, I think AI will be a great tool in the toolbelt for developers operating on lower budgets, but Baldur’s Gate 3 is going to have people expecting the best from Larian’s games going forward, and that’s going to mean human writing and human performances. I think without those major advancements in the technology, it’s going to come off as lesser quality.
  
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  - li10@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I agree, I just think those major advancements will happen.
    
    AI isn’t going to be the answer for everything, but I think it will have a massive impact on video games, in both positive and negative ways.
    
    No doubt some companies are going to be putting out absolute dogshit AI games.
    
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- VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have used AI to RP some stuff (don’t ask), and while the higher end models, and even the better self hosted models are really good at answering in a way that makes sense and works in context, it is pretty hard to make them do anything, new, interesting, or unexpected, without prompting it specifically.
  
  Nothing that I’ve seen playing around with LLMs makes me think that a well-written work of fiction could be improved by including them, unless there is a significant leap in capability.
  
  And this is ignoring all the discussion about LLMs and copyright/stolen content.
  
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- lanolinoil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  100% the future. Like has anyone put all the billion pages of lore from TES into a GPT finetune? Surely that would make better dialogue than HALT! for the 900000000 time right?
  
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- KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I think AI Dungeon proved that you could have a great Gen AI-driven campaign experience, but the novelty wore out really fast after it was used up as stream bait and the ethical considerations are just too much of a risk.
  
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- rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If nobody could be bothered to make the thing, I can’t be bothered to play with the thing.
  
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rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Next one ditches all the filler and just goes straight to shagging a series of elves, demons, were-bears, cthulhus, etc. One after another, there are so many cthulhus to shag and you are the chosen one.

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- trslim@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They’re making high budget Corruption of Champions (or Trials in Tainted Space.) Yes, CoC or TiTS.
  
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  - Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Spelljammer maybe?
    
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Damage@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Half life 3?

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- caut_R@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’ll be legally distinct Double Quarter Life 3
  
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- Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Brilliant. It would allow for having HL3 while also not for ing Valve to make a 3rd thing.
  
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toxicbubble@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
warhammer pls

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HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Sick, looking forward to Lord of the Rings 4

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- Senseless@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Bro!
  
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Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Bladurs door 1

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explodIng_lIme@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Praying for a new Kotor

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- FenrirIII@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No. I love the KOTOR games and hate Larian’s turn-based combat gameplay.
  
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current@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Please PLEASE fix the inventory mechanics/design

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nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If I can’t make transgendered characters they are dead to me

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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My guy, disguise self is right there. You can change your gender all day long for a first level spell slot
  
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  - nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    bad ass
    
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- grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I thought you could already. I mean you can select your build and voice and genitals all independent of eachother. Not sure why they’d go back on that.
  
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  - nutsack@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    that’s what im saying, brother
    
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Pooptimist@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Pathfinder please!

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KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I wonder if Larian does something new with the Disco Elysium folks (since in that PMG video they were mentioned) instead of more Divinity.

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Nacktmull@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I hope their “one RPG to rule them all” will be a Divinity game!

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Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
How about Rifts TTRPG as a computer game?

Fantasy ✅ Sci Fi✅ Many different life forms to bang✅

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RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
GURPS fantasy roleplay CRPG.

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tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Cyberpunk cyberpunk cyberpunk please please please

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nifty@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s icewind dale or arcanum

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Pixlbabble@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Is sweet baby inc involved?

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