aLiEnS!!1

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• li10@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For some reason people seem to think they’re fundamentally smarter than people were back then.

  Yeah, you may have technically had a better education, but you’re not inherently more intelligent than the average person back then, and a genius from that time is still miles ahead of you.

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  • gibmiser@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah they had less lead in their environment. They probably were actually smarter, just had less access to foundational knowledge

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    • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Less lead, but probably more malnutrition and disease.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t know. Looking at the pyramids I’m tempted to think all they had was foundational knowledge.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah, it’s been linked to systemic racist thought patterns. I explain it to people like this: take a handful of sand and turn your fist so that your palm faces perpendicular to the ground. Now release the sand slowly… What shape does it form? It isn’t rocket science.

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    • yesman@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ancient aliens literally has Nazi origins. They didn’t just have race-science, but race-history. I guess you could call their thinking ancient-Aryans because they believed that impressive structures built by brown people must have been led by a Northern European diaspora who eventually vanished because of race-mixing.

      You can watch the History channel all you want, but nobody is going to question the Parthenon or the Colosseum. Stonehenge is the only one I can think of where Aliens had to help white people.

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    • CaptnNMorgan@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So you’re saying the pyramids are just giant rocks piled on top of each other?

      If so, then what was dropping them and how could the intricacies inside the pyramids be possible if they were just dropped on top of each other?

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    • sudoreboot@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I was thinking “three ridges” first 😅 (I imagined the sand running between the four fingers of my semi-closed fist)

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    • teichflamme@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mind blown

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  • charlytune@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I probably didn’t have as good an education as the highest educated classes in most ancient Egyptian dynasties.

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  • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t know about that. Intelligence is attractive and it’s a predictor of lifetime success.

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• GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s fair to imagine the challenges a building team would face 2k plus years ago.

  Like in this example, building levers that are strong enough to lift the load. I bet they broke a bunch of stuff.

  But eventually they figured it out, via trial and error. Levers, ramps, etc. They probably couldn’t describe why those things were inherently the best way, but more approached from the “we tried 9 other ways and they suck. This is the best way.”

  Next, the phrase “any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic” is relevant here, but in a backwards way.

  Since we struggle to imagine what it would take for an ancient society to master the techniques to build these things, we therefore begin to grasp for unrealistic conclusions (magic…read…aliens).

  Same goes for Europeans building cathedrals and stuff, the trick is the history, the methods and the results were more documented and understood.

  There are some racism concerns that I think go beyond and around what I’ve discussed, which is more abstract. I’m not discounting the other topics, just not covering them here.

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  • YoorWeb@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Egyptians didn’t just decide “hey, let’s build a pyramid”. Mastabas were first, the shape of a Pyramid came later.

    Not to mention that there’s few faulty pyramids (e.g. Bent Pyramid which were finished quickly or all together abandoned before completion.

    Merer forgot to mention aliens in his diary too.

    But hey, aliens did it. They couldn’t just land on Earth. Their ships were designed to land on a Pyramid because that’s what how intelligent race would build their spaceships. Don’t question it, just trust the specialists (who wrote books!).

    Anyway, are you interested in Ancient Egypt? The best thing out there (I think) are Bob Briers lectures also available on Audible.

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    • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Don’t know why you replied this to me, but cool links.

      I never suggested there’s any validity in the alien-pyramid thing, only described how it could have entered the discussion in the first place.

      (“We don’t know what they did, seems hard even for us, must have been magic”. Pathway)

      Not advocating anything, not arguing anything, no tinfoil on my frog’s heads, they live naturally.

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    • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I like the theories about them being ancient power stations or radio devices, using the water channels and gold cap stone to create enough pd to be useful in occult practices. It doesn’t have to be aliens that helped make them but I think there’s something the really resonates with the idea of aliens coming down and teaching ancient people how to make super complex and beautiful machines to synthesize small amounts of potent narcotics. Like none of the other reasons aliens would come make much sense but a tiktokable prank like that really does.

      Imagine how fascinating it would be if we find loads of old alien stuff on Mars with like little model pyramids and pictures of them with the pharaoh. Or if when we meet aliens and have first contact they got us up with galactic tiktok and people are reposting all the old videos of pranks aliens have pulled on earth over the years.

      Yeah they were probably just the biggest coolest looking thing that knew how to make so everyone wanted one, yeah they were probably just dragging rocks up sandy inclones and using water filled counter weights… but we don’t know aliens weren’t there so I’m going to enjoy being open to that possibility.

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    • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The bent pyramid may not have been faulty, but instead had a different internal layout because of it’s issue in cult worship rather than only burial.

      Great video from History for Granite archeologist on the subject.

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  • IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    One thing is for sure: you can’t leverage those stones with a primed FJ 1x6 from Lowe’s. I’ll bet they went through quite a few of those!

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    • NattyNatty2x4@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lowe’s definitely made lots of USD getting the pharaohs to think the pyramids were a good idea

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  • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But imagine the size of the lever. And how would they haul it on top of the pyramid? Wouldn’t we have found traces of a 500m long lever ?

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    • peopleproblems@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      you mean like they lifted the rock from the ground , all the way up in one trip?

      sounds good enough for me. I bet they didn’t, they had the aliens lower it with antigravity technology

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• anzich@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Pretty sure the Egyptians were smart enough. But the European cathedrals cannot be explained w/o aliens

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  • TwinTusks@outpost.zeuslink.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Great Wall of China? Come-on, no body can do that. And its not aliens, its GOD, who show favors protecting his favorite people, the Chinese.

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  • psud@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not to mention the Chrysler tower. Def aliens

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• state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The constant barrage of Joe Rogan clips of idiots claming it was impossible to move these huge stones over those distances with the tech at the time was what drove me to disable YouTube shorts.

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  • li10@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can disable shorts??

    I need to do that. I get stuck in a loop of watching them, and 90% of them just piss me off anyway.

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    • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly, the first and arguably most important step is recognizing how much of online content is specifically designed to get a reaction out of you, primarily in the form pissing you off.

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    • dadGPT@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i turned off watch history. support.google.com/youtube/answer/95725.

      now i dont get any recommendations from youtube and only watch what i am interested in.

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    • NicoCharrua@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s probably a way to do it in browser with ublock origin or another extension.

      On android, ReVanced.

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    • state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I use ReVanced on my phone and it has an option to hide shorts permanently. In the browser I use an extension for that, there are multiple ones.

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  • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The creation of the feature is what made me disable shorts. If I wanted vine then I’d go back to 2013.

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    • PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey take that back. Vine and 2013 were marvellous times

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• Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lifting it is like 1/100th of the challenge. Moving it across hundreds of miles, cutting it, getting it to the top of the pyramid, and setting it in place are all bigger problems than simply lifting the stone.

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  • HerrBeter@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think they started at the top and then built down

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    • 1847953620@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      they were just trying to find the upper block limit after hitting bedrock

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  • Stern@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Slavery: It get shits done.

    Moving material gets done via cart, or rolling on top of logs. I had heard various theories for how they got the big bricks up, from rolling up a dirt pile (put into place by, you guessed it.) to building a waterproof chute with the bricks in it on a raft, and just filling the chute with water to make the raft go up.

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    • Classy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The masonry had to have been done by professionals. The blocks fit together with such precision. Even today it would be an architectural feat to be able to cut and place 15+ ton blocks with millimeters-thick tolerances.

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  • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you take the heaviest stone and divide it by a reasonable weight to walk long distances- say 20lbs, you find you need a few thousand people to carry one stone. You need several thousand ropes for each worker, but again each rope only needs to lift 20 lbs of the whole.

    Modern estimates put the number of workers at 10,000. So they just had to carry them.

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  • psud@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Lifting is the hard part, you can move blocks short distances on rollers, long distances on barges, really short distances by a dozen men pushing

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  • Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nobody has so far given you a serious answer, so:

    Cutting - They only had IIRC bronze, which is not enough on its own to cut through the granite. However using sand to add friction makes it cut significant faster/easier.

    Moving miles - Boats are incredibly capable of carrying heavy loads with minimal energy expenditure to move said boat. Using logs and levers also goes far.

    Getting to the too of the pyramid, that’s a little more of a mystery. But there is evidence they included ramps within the structure as they built the bigger ones as they went. And IIRC the smaller ones had pulley systems going through the center.

    It doesn’t require fancy tech, just of patience and application of basic physics.

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  • variants@possumpat.io ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He who cast the first stone built the pyramid

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• Spendrill@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world,”

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  • comrade_pibb@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ay good one, Archimedes

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• niktemadur@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  But we all know the lever was invented by Jayzus Christ in America when Washington and Lincoln were reading the Bible and praying together!

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  • SoyaSuki@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s a whole chapter on levers called Leviticus

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  • admin@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Amen.

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• eestileib@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Also, ramps.

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also, boats!

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    • schmidtster@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Were block and tackles a thing in that time too?

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• jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Actually I was listening to a podcast that explains this. They didn’t have levers yet. They did have other devices but no lever.

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  • GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    you can’t just not have levers.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It was before levers

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    • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol of course you can. They were invented at one point. And before that point… You didn’t have them. I recommend: Let’s Learn Everything episode 49: Goosebumps, (Not) Alien Pyramids, and Nessie & Cryptids.

      Podcast webpage: www.LetsLearnEverythingPod.com

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  • nohaybanda@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think the lever here is a stand-in for mechanical advantage. I don’t believe anyone is seriously proposing they lifted the blocks with a very long stick.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But the length of the stick is what’s required for the lever, unless they used some kind of gearbox.

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  • hakunawazo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But other have levers
    Image

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• DigitalFrank@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Give me a place to stand, and a lever long enough, and I will move the world. ”

  • Archimedes

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• pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ancient alien theory is extremely racist and I am shocked people don’t reject it on those grounds alone.

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  • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Top text, they built it Bottom text, aliens built it

    Peter Griffin race meme

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  • variants@possumpat.io ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe everyone dislikes humans as much as the aliens

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• Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I know how they’re built because I watch Witual. Internal ranp theory babeeee!

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• averyminya@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Friendly reminder the Mayans had a highway

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• drolex@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The great pyramid of Giza weighs around 6 million tons weightofstuff.com/how-much-does-the-pyramid-of-gi…

  An average human can apparently develop about 200N www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/ergonomics/push1.html

  Meaning that an average human would need a lever about 3×10^8 m long (considering a 1 metre load arm) to move the pyramid.

  Do you find this credible?

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  • Transcendant@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t worry I got what you were putting down. People can be very reactionary with their downvotes here, if your joke is too subtle it can fly over their heads.

    It made me smirk! For my reference, how many zeros is that (I’m shit at maths but want to try and imagine such a long lever protruding into deep space)?

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    • drolex@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      8 zeros, so 300 000 kms (but I’ve probably messed up somewhere)

      WhERe woUlD yUo fINd a TReE tHaT BIg???

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  • Dashi@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m going to go out on a limb and say i don’t think they found the pyramid whole and moved the entire thing. I think they took small pieces, possibly block shaped and moved those one at a time

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    • drolex@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would never have thought of that! But I still don’t understand how these satanic Duplo work, so who am I to judge

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The ancient Egyptians utilized neither wheels nor work animals for the majority of the pyramid-building era, so the giant blocks, weighing 2.5 tons on average, had to be moved through human muscle power alone. But until recently, nobody really knew how. The answer, it seems, is simply water. Evidence suggests that the blocks were first levered onto wooden sleds and then hauled up ramps made of sand. However, dry sand piles up in front of a moving sled, increasing friction until the sled is nearly impossible to pull. Wet sand reduces friction dramatically beneath the sled runners, eliminating the sand piles and making it possible for a team of people to move massive objects.

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  • Rodeo@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re gonna need a bigger load arm. The pyramid is way more than a meter across.

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    • drolex@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How much more? One metre, tops?

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• TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The aliens had to come to Earth to learn how to build pyramids

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• Epicurus0319@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nah, we all know the Great Pyramids were part of the “Giza Mass Autism Array” fired during the Finno-Korean Hyperwar. RIP Finnish social skills

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• mtchristo@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Now find sticks or stick assembly strong enough to lift a few tones of stone without breaking at the rotation center

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• SoyViking@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Me, looking at the meme: I wonder what happened to that giant pole they put on top of the pyramid to lift that giant weight?

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• YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’ve cracked vertical lifting, now onto moving blocks a thousand miles from the quarry!

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• Alaskaball@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t think they had levers strong enough to lift up those big rocks without snapping at a… I think the term is “sheer point”?

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