what’s this gotta do with obama lol
The Obama wing of the Democratic Party is declaring “war” on progressives. Why don’t they ever bring this energy against Trump? Why do they hate working class people even more?
Submitted 2 months ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to workreform@lemmy.world
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desmosthenes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
the_artic_one@piefed.social 2 months ago
These people declared war on Obama back in the day.
deft@lemmy.wtf 2 months ago
I love how people think the Democrats are exactly like the Republicans.
Republicans bent the knee to trump x1000
Obama faced stiff push back and was considered a progressive almost TWENTY FUCKING YEARS AGO. Obama is not the kingpin, he did not restructure the Dems or really change the overall party goals, he set expectations for more progressive administrations ahead of him and is part of the reason why establishment Dems can’t seem to get a bite.
Say what you want, judge as you please but he opened up paths for other more progressive candidates for himself and if you’re too stupid to analyze his term clearly, you probably voted for Trump at least once.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 2 months ago
you probably voted for Trump at least once.
or at the least, not against at least once.
daychilde@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Obama wing? I’d be much more okay trying to call it the Hillary wing or Biden wing. But even that is stupid. It’s the corporate/oligarch-funded Democrats vs. the Democratic Socialists.
If you want to try and make your point, trying to tie Obama to the part of the party you’re wanting to attack will not help your case.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Also, where did ‘ascending democrats’ come from?
A class war subtext from NY Times…
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Conservative Democrats.
Stop calling them moderates.
vegafjord@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Its new york times, ofcourse they paint them as moderates.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
As long as people know not to repeat it.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Moderate Democrats can fuck all the way off and continue shitting the bed with their electoral results. They are losing relevance; they just won’t admit it.
mrdown@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No democrat supporting israel can be called moderate
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 2 months ago
Gah, but they’re the experts on electability!!!
stretch2m@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Just what we fucking need, a split party when we need to focus on ousting the fascists.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s exactly how we ended up with fascists to begin with
CandleTiger@programming.dev 2 months ago
The party is split precisely about whether we really need to be fighting the fascists or not.
You can’t come together ignoring differences to accomplish a shared goal when the goal is not actually shared.
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Honestly I’m not sure if they’re doing any better against us than they are against the people they’re supposed to be fighting. Worse, IMO
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Because the working class have always held the real power, being the real reason work gets done, and as a result have always been the real enemy of the people in power and the real threat to their power. Some of them are just better at pretending, because they want to play “Good cop, bad cop” against us, and that strategy has been working really well for them lately.
cranakis@reddthat.com 2 months ago
I think we are seeing the NYT showing it’s corporate left bias. Who does a fight between forces in the left benefit? Center left media. Didn’t believe the hype. This is all just AIPAC reacting to losing the elections they are used to successfully rigging.
mrdown@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The progressive are the moderates , the centrist are the extremists since they support the terrorist genocidal state of israel
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ve honestly always kinda rolled my eyes at the, “they’re the same party/working together line” as a trite bumper sticker.
But man, it really seems like they’re the same party and working together, excepting like three or four individuals.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
The ratchet effect has been going on long enough that the best case scenario is they’re not competent when in power to get anything done.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 2 months ago
$15 million? Hasn’t APAIC spent many times that much money in trying to fight progressives this year already?
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The “moderates” love of money will cause them to lose even more money when a revolution starts and heads start rolling with it.
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 months ago
It’s very important that we keep as many voters as possible away from the Dems.
It’s only when the GOP turns the country fully Fascist that we’ll get a true Left movement going.
It doesn’t matter if all the Left people are in camps, we’ll be united at last!
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I’m assuming sarcasm, but still, wow dude.
catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
If you had .ml after your name I’d assume you were serious
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 months ago
Are those the people who think Obama was the worst war criminal of all time and Stalin was misunderstood?
unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 2 months ago
Lol the /s was pretty glaringly obvious to me, but anyway...
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 months ago
It was negative 8 when I made the edit, down to negative 3.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
“Voters are telling us what they want. We must crush their efforts.”
Jaysyn@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, the NYT would say that.
Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Because they’re complicit
bagsy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
the working class never sent them bribes. no bribes, no support.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Controlled opposition in madness because actual opposition is rising. They’ll do literally anything but let anyone even try slightly improving the system.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Happy to write “change” and “hope” on posters.
Not so happy to actually provide it.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Democrats in disarray. Once again, it’s almost like our leadership want a red wave. Or like someone in power has something on them.
orioler25@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I do love that you jumped to secret intentions or blackmail before class solidarity. These are not people who benefit from a restriction on capital, and so they do not support restricting capital.
Liberals have always appropriated rhetoric that is oriented around social justice or popular change, there is no reason to believe any of them when they say they don’t believe in the exact policies they have always supported unless forced otherwise. Yes, they want a “red wave,” before they want anything having to do with socialism or honestly, even welfare liberalism at this point. I don’t doubt a few have some secrets, but nobody would have to threaten them with exposure to get them to do this.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hide the evil deeds, do you even listen to yourself?
switcheroo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because they are right wing, just less right wing than the nut jobs currently sticking up the government.
And they want that donor $$$ so pretend to offer us a choice between left and right instead of right and extremist right.
Abyssian@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because the establishment Dems never cared about you. They were just a part of the show. Them and the old pre-trump Reps would play fight and put on a good show and both keep selling out to corporations and pawning the country.
They didn’t wage a war against Trump because he was a Republican. He wasn’t threatening their job security. He could do whatever insane fucked up things he wanted, and at the end of the day you’d come crawling to the Dems to make it better.
But now? These pieces of shit are daring to run as Democrats and take establishment Dem’s positions! How will the establishment Dems keep getting loads of money from our corporate masters if they no longer have votes to sell?
They have something to lose in this. Their job. They had nothing to lose in Trump fucking the country over. Us poor slobs did.
cheat700000007@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because they help themselves and they aren’t working class people
boaratio@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Just let Nancy tell us what stocks to buy.
lil_era76@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because they are also deeply integrated with the bourgeoisie. Neoliberals will always favor fascism.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Pure disinformation.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The fact that all they have to muster is 15 mil across the country should let you know something. AIPAC put 60 mil into 1 race. This 15 mil is meaningless and a drop in the bucket.
solidheron@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Let them declare war. I take it as a cue to give them surprise nutsack training.
BonkTheAnnoyed@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
This is the New York Times fanning the flames to divide the left. I’m sure they interviewed actual people with real opinions like this, but these are the opinions they are choosing to highlight and thus shape the narrative.
frisbird@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
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BonkTheAnnoyed@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Okay, I see your flag and all of that, but I’m gonna take this in good faith.
The New York Times and other media have an opportunity to cast the Democratic Socialist Party as the cool kids, and even if that doesn’t align with the corporate Neolib agenda, it does allow them to make coalitions and leaves them to co-opt the DSP in the future.
TLDR, it is in the establishment Democratic Party’s Interest to encourage and support the DSP. The New York Times in mainstream media is refusing to frame the politics that way.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 2 months ago
do you think the commies are self-sabotaging from fear they might actually be in a position of responsibility and have to deliver some of their nonsense if they unite with the moderate left?