vegafjord
@vegafjord@slrpnk.net
- Comment on Do non-English speakers learn to code in English, or in their native language? 2 days ago:
I quit my degree in computer science in 2018 after studying for two years, but I remember that it was a big focus on using norwegian for variable names.
- Comment on How should we relate to language? 5 days ago:
What comes to my mind when you say this is daoism, buddhism, mindfulness, meditation, qigong and spontaneous dancing. To focus on the experiencing over theorizing.
- Comment on How should we relate to language? 5 days ago:
Could you explain in your view how we transcend language?
- Comment on How should we relate to language? 6 days ago:
Nei, desverre:(
- Comment on How should we relate to language? 6 days ago:
I’ll look into it:)
- Comment on How should we relate to language? 6 days ago:
A word carries a cultural reference. A society has a relationship towards different cultures and the cultural meaning are summened through the use of words. Water has a different cultural meaning in chinese languages compared to outside. Freedom has a different cultural meaning in america compared to outside. Målreising (tongue lift) has a different cultural meaning in norway compared to outside.
Languages bombards us with cultural meanings every day which shapes our deed in small and large ways. They have trained our mind in what information is important and what information is not important. We are mostly cognitively unconcious about what we do throughout the day. (look into Lakoff Philosophy in the flesh)
For this reason I am of the conviction that we should strive to know how we are influenced, how the words shapes us and impact our cognitive unconcious. I think we can best do this through ensuring that words are easy to understand, easy to construct, easy to teach, have strong images. By doing this languages becomes more accessible.
I often view my own personal language as a growing birch, in some regards. It grows in many directions. As I learn, branches grows, splits and gains leaves. When I juggle, there are many different ways I can grow upon already existing abilities. Taking a trick, I can make it more advanced, and if completed, it would be like a new branch growing from the previous trick.
By improving the flexibility of the language, we can envision growth more easily.
Norwegian
In Norway this question is much more prominent because we have two official written languages both with big fandoms. Book-norwegian and new-norwegian. These represents two different philosophies.
Book-norwegian was made on the basis of collecting how people spoke norwegian in the 1800’s (strongly influenced by danish) whereas new-norwegian was made by a linguist who wanted norwegian to be as removed from danish as possible.
From this we can characterize book-norwegian as pragmatist, whereas new-norwegian is purist.
We also have sam-norwegian which wants to mesh these two languages into one creating a single united language. I think this is absurd because the underlying philosophies does not blend.
My position in norwegian
The flaw with the pragmatic approach to language is that it makes whatever words comes in accepted, regardless of how well or poorly they mesh with the existing language. A word like “contraversial”, or “cohort” can enter the norwegian language even though the vast majority can’t speak latin. We are told their meanings instead of understanding their meanings.
Those who embrace new norwegian often say that it is a more poetic language, and I believe this is because it is easier to construct words when you have to operate with a single language instead of five. You don’t have to understand german, latin, french, danish and norwegian to construct words. The phonology is also more consistent easing rythm. It becomes easier to see how you can manipulate sentences.
Målreising
In norwegian we have what we call målreising which means we try to improve the language.
Esperanto
Yes, I have learned it.
What can we learn from it?
Esperanto has great resources for learning and is constructed for ease of learning. It’s easy to concatinate to create new words. By looking at a word, you can easily understand what it means even if you have never heard it before and you know how to pronounce the words immidiately.
World language
World languages is popular. They make it easy to travel long distances and still be understood, it makes it possible for a whole world to react to injustice on the other side of Gaja.
World languages has a lot of good things going for them.
But world languages also means that it becomes easier for might to influence the entire world through soft might. It makes the machine more efficient. Makes the cogs turn around faster. But whereas some would think of this as good… I view the increased efficiency as a way of increasing the burden upon a weakened Gaja.
There should be languages for coordination, but the size of world languages has given a monsterous hegemony for the mighty.
lokening: We should give less attention for world languages and more attention for geographically close languages.
Conclusion
Now this is a mess. Like a tree that grows in a thousand directions, I don’t really know how to entangle them back to a simple conclusion, and I feel like I’ve spent much more time on this than what I had planned, so I’ll have to stop here and hope there was some insight and not too confusing.
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- Comment on Why is AOC a big deal? She just speaks common sense and calls out absurdity. Have we really gone that far off the rails where we don't do it ourselves? 1 week ago:
It might not look like much, but the really impressive part about their journey is how they avoid being dragged into a political sport between the liberal/conservative/MAGA cesspool, and instead drag our attention towards the meaningful.
Its a dreamers game, and those who captures the imagination of the people are the winners.
At the same time, Washington politics is a money game, and Sanders wing have been able to keep up with them only with money from small donors.
Well at least thats my takaway from following us politics between 2015 to 2021.
- Comment on She's just defending her country 2 weeks ago:
Please… It’s not others job to find references for you. If you fail to reference something, that is your cape. We should not normalize outsourcing of referencing.
lets have good conversation ettiquette
- Comment on How do other countries view American super hero movie's always putting the threat in new york or whatever? Instead of their own country and have their own superheroes? 2 weeks ago:
Superheroes are cops with superpowers.
- Comment on Is it theoretically possible to construct a self reproducing mechanical device? 2 weeks ago:
Im just thinking life. Hasnt stopped reassembling itself since it’s origin.
- Comment on What does "Woke" mean to you? 2 weeks ago:
It means to not be unconcious. To be awake and aware of reality. To take many valid frames and experiences into concideration. To be woke is a compliment about your ability to think holistically.
- Comment on Im pretty sure Charlie Kirk would have called for your execution 1 month ago:
As long as you praise the king and pay tribute to saint Kirk, you can do whatever you want. /s
- Comment on He Blew the Whistle on DOGE. Then His Brakes Were Cut 1 month ago:
Better not anger the king.
- Comment on i'm fucking devastated but there are no exception 2 months ago:
I like Half Alive
- Comment on It's actually that simple. 2 months ago:
dead = no
- Comment on Don't fuck them 2 months ago:
I dont know. Coldness of the word cool isnt my thing. Im more into bloom.
- Comment on Need a AI update 2 months ago:
fucking bloat :exclamationmark: