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Jesse is smarter than what we give him credit for.

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  • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Flaws:

    • fails to address leap years
    • fails to address 365th day
    • moon cycle will still slowly deviate
    • retains clunky 7-day week that doesn’t interact will with decimal counting system

    I like it, but I got an even better proposal. Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks. summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle. In leap years, new years is two days.

    The 1st, 11th and 21st of each month are now Mondays, so you can tell the weekday of any date. Months are the same length just like in Jesse’s proposal, but an even 30 instead of a clunky 28.

    I’ve thought about this a lot

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    • name_NULL111653@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Congratulations, you’ve successfully reinvented the Egyptian civil calendar, complete with the intercalary holidays and all…

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    • Ryan213@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Our corporate overlords will want 8-day work-weeks. LOL

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      • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah I’m only in if we get 3 days off per week.

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    • alldreadme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Don’t take away me weekends

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      • huginn@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        5 day weekend

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      • amda@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We could fit three break day in a a 10 day week (3/10 is slightly bigger than 2/7). We could put the third day in the middle of the week to not have 7 work days in a row. In the fourth day mabey?

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    • xenspidey@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It actually does account for keep years. …m.wikipedia.org/…/International_Fixed_Calendar

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      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Leap years and keep years

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    • MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There are a number of different propositions. All with some benefits and downsides.

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    • wolfpack86@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I hope that one of the new days is named after you and we all curse you every Potatuesday for creating more workdays.

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      • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Having a day called Potatuesday… might be worth it

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    • blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just don’t propose a unified earth/solar time even though it’s going to be necessary once we start spacefaring more lol.

      Funnily enough this issue is being brought up a lot on Lemmy recently. I’ve been at the IFC and Fixed Time haters for a bit in a different thread lol.

      worldtimeserver.com/…/the-proposal-to-abolish-tim…

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      • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I recently thought of abolishing timezones altogether and everybody I told thought I was batshit crazy. thank you!

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Weeks should have ten day weeks

      And instead of calling them “weeks”, we could call them by the much more self-explanatory term “tendays”.

      summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle

      You can simplify it a little bit by putting the intercalary days between months, rather than using them for the solstices. We can put Midwinter between January 30 and February 1 and Midsummer between July 30 and August 1, in the northern hemisphere.

      For the sake of putting it in a more user-friendly location, our leap day should be in the summer for the northern hemisphere (where most of the population is). So put it the day after Midsummer.

      The only thing I would do differently from the Calendar of Harptos is that, like you, I would use New Year’s Day as the 5th annual intercalary day.

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      • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        the equinoxes and solstices are roughly 90 days apart anyway so we can do both :)

        Calendar of Harptos actually influenced my post hehe

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    • r00ty@kbin.life ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks.

      Here's why I'm going to say no. It's because businesses would just rip us off by turning the working week into 8 days and just retaining the 2 day weekend.

      No, and double no.

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      • enki@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Businesses don’t have the power to do that if we collectively tell them no. But that being said, how DO you split up a 10-day week keeping the same basic ratio of “weekend” days?

        Three weekdays, followed by a single “weekend” day or mid-week break, then four weekdays followed by a two-day weekend?

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    • Fogle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What’s the work schedule

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      • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        3-1-4-2 would work and give 70% work to 30% off - currently we have 71.4% work in a 7 day week so it’s pretty similar with less friday burnout

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      • mosiacmango@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Less.

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    • Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I like the 10 days week, but people, please rush to create a new religion to cover multiple free days or im out

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      • GreenMario@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The extra days of the week is called Lazyday, Chillsday, and Beersday.

        It is forbidden to work on these days, the Lord commands it.

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      • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        every other day is labour day, and thus a holiday.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My religion has a holy day called I’m taking today off or I’ll cut you

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    • xeekei@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What names shall we give the new weekdays? Because I was thinking maybe we should rename a few existing ones, so no weekdays start with the same letters. Then they can be abbreviated to their respective first letters.

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      • owatnext@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Someday, Funday, and Oneday.

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    • dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t see why 7 day weeks are bad in regard to the number system. We rarely need to divide the days of the week into equal portions. Remembering 1, 8, 15 and 22 as mondays would be trivial after a while.

      You also claim that failure to address the 365th day and leap years is an issue, but your proposal also includes several cycle-breaking days. So the same issue would persist.

      Moon deviation isn’t something I really worry about, but having a period which almost align with the cycle seems useful. It would be easy to just examine the initial phase within the month to chart out the rest of the month.

      However, I think the biggest flaw is that the calendar would be divided into 13 equal parts, which sucks to divide into typical use cases, i.e. into 2 parts. You could split the 7th month, but it’s not really elegant. Dividing the year into 3 or 4 parts would be a mess.

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The 365th day is new years day… duh.

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    • Norgur@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Any solution that has some form of "oh those days? Nah, we don't count those" is disqualified immediately in my book.

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      • name_NULL111653@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        laughs in Egyptian…

        They had 5 or 6 intercalary holidays to celebrate the new year and adjust to the rise of the Nile (and we’d adjust it to astronomical time with leap years). It actually worked really well, and kept the people happy with a 5-day rest and celebration each year (something this world could definitely use).

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      • superduperenigma@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        As a software developer, I would rather give up the 1.25 days off a year just to not have to work around some weird monthless and weekless date every year.

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    • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Dec can be the month with 29 days and a 4 year leap day. That way all the nonsense is in one place.

      Moon cycle doesn’t matter.

      7 day system is not clunky it is human.

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    • SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Current workforce is schedule around a 7day centric week. It’s far easier to reorganize where the weeks fall in the year than changing the structure of a week. Suddenly the workforce would have segment of work overlapping between weeks, it’s an organizational nightmare.

      The international fixed calendar did propose a solution force the 365 days and leap year but it’s basically out-of-the-week holidays.

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      • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        wdym? How is 10 more difficult than 7?

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Weeks should have a prime number of days. It’s not wise to be dividing weeks up.

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      • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        why hahah

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    • burgersc12@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is what I want! Fuck, this has it all! Its beautiful!

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    • HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Or just have days that are just not a part of the week - like Leap years - are their own day.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This meme brought to you by your local landlord

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    • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean it also benefits salaried employees, 13 months means 26 pay periods

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But you typically get paid an amount per year, divided between pay periods. You work the same amount, get paid the same amount overall, and get more pay periods at the expense of less pay per period

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      • Pogbom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There’s the same amount of weeks though. It’s just spread over 13 months instead of 12 so it would be the same total bi-weekly pay periods.

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  • daltotron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would like to believe in calendar reform as a goal. At the same time, I think calendars are one of the only pretty decent somewhat universal standards we have going for us, and if we changed it at all, you KNOW we would just be using two competing standards, not everyone would want to switch because people are stupid, so unless you forced it from the top down through technology, like a really advanced, shitty version of y2k, which would make people super pissed, I dunno if any of it would work.

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    • don@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      XKCD: Standards

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      • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is the reason. Small changes like un-doing Daylight Savings is doable. But moving every holiday, birthday, and anniversary to another month+day combo would make this move daunting. The inertia of this kind of data would just make any transition period super long. So while you could implement the new calendar as a locale for phones and computer operating systems, but you’d probably be using two calendars for the rest of your life.

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    • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Counterpoint: 1st shift, 2nd shift and 3rd shift work. Some people are better off using different systems that exist alongside but separate from the norm.

      … And vice versa, workplaces and life offer us systems that dont work well for us but we need to use them because we need money to live. So not only would 3rd shift be a bad fit for most people, I’d argue most people do worse with the current calendar than they could with a new one.

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      • daltotron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fair point actually, I suppose, then, that my point, retrospectively, is that nobody should ever expect that, were we to adopt any new calendar or time measurement system, we’d somehow do less math. We will only ever do more math.

        There is only math.

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  • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It really annoys the hell out of me that we don’t use a better calendar. I think about this once a week at least. I feel like being stuck with the Gregorian calendar is a good example of why so many inefficient structures exist in society - some assholes centuries ago decided on a thing, and out of habit and laziness we’ve stuck with it since.

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    • originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      just think of everything in terms of seconds from 1970 and itll all fall out

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      • bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Until 2038

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      • Gork@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        A compromise for the time keeping purists:

        Set the current time to exactly 13.77 billion years (in seconds) then add the current Unix time in seconds from January 1, 1970 to maintain continuity. Just conveniently forget about the 40 million year uncertainty, it will cloud your mind.

        This way we have an absolute clock that is closer to reality than from some religiously based calendar.

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Better idea: instead of Epoch time move it back a few months to the moon landing.

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    • joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They programming community calls this technical debt.

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    • Coreidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Right? Imagine using the sun and the moon to track time. So fucking dumb.

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    • King@r.nf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Persian calendar exists, a lot of people use it.

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    • MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Can we give the UN all the power it can and have them implement this new calendar?

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      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nom

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  • Etterra@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I came up with this independently years ago. It’ll never catch on for the idiotic reason that you can’t subdivide 13 like you can 12. 13 is a prime number, while 12 can be divided easily by 2, 3, 4, and 6. 12 is like the whore of simple math.

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    • BigT54@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, but that only matters for months. We could instead just use weeks since there are 52 weeks per year, so a quarter would be 13 weeks instead of 3 months. It would be easier to determine how many weeks there are in a span of a couple months because it’s not variable, or any number of months because they’re just multiples of 4. I know a lot of people would be turned off by the system because the number 13 comes up so often and people are superstitious but it really would make things easier imo.

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  • Matcraftou@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is this true??? If so WHY THE F… ARE WR STILL USING THE CURRENT CALENDAR.

    Honestly I would be all for a new calendar if this is true

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  • SpezBroughtMeHere@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But that’s only 364 days. Which month gets the extra day, throwing the while thing off?

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  • rayyy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The thirteen month calendar is called the International Fixed Calendar. George Eastman instituted its use at the Eastman Kodak Company back in 1928, and it was used there until 1989.

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  • phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The only agency I’ve seen that pushes 13 months baths is WMATA in DC, so they can charge you 13 times per year for a metro pass instead of 12. I always felt like that was some BS.

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  • bloup@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I like 10 months each with 6 weeks of 6 days each for a total of 360 days and a 5 day holiday at the end of every year (6 days during a leap year)

    But Jesse really has opened my eyes to the possibility of a lunisolar calendar.

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  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just thought of something that could be better,

    Scrap months altogether, just divide the year into quarters of 13 weeks each, name them for the seasons, Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, there isn’t really a reason why we need months specifically, if it’s to shorten date numbers then count by week number and day number

    Day/Week/Quarter/Year

    Today’s 7/8/4/23

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  • mulcahey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fun fact: this calendar exists and was in use by Eastman Kodak for most of its existence:

    International Fixed Calendar

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  • potterpockets@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In keeping with tradition though we can only do this if we add the new month after August and name it Tiber.

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  • sirico@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lousy Smarch

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  • reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    itt: 13 * 28 = 365.25

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  • autumn64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Aztec and mayan calendars iirc was 18 months of 20 days each and 5 extra days at the end of the year.

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  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So here’s what’d be a better alternative when considering seasons and quarters

    March, June, September, and December are all 35 days long, every other month is 28 days long.

    Day 365 is Year’s End Day outside of the Calendar months, and Leap Day is an additional holiday inserted before January 1st when it happens.

    The last adjustment I’d make is the Saint Monday plan, which is to say, make Monday a weekend day.

    It’s named after the moon, you see the moon at the end of the day, so the moon’s day is the end of the week!

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  • Adori@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fuckn year we have now was made way back in Rome, it was made in a way so no governing body would have the responsibility to fix the calendar every year to catch up, it was made even if there is no proper nation it’ll still be accurate and be self sufficient

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  • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would like to point out the biggest difficulty this faces.

    There are about as many different ideas for new formats, complete with arguments about how they’d be the best one, as there are comments in this thread. And those arguments mostly hold up too.

    A new format is never going to work because no one will be able to agree on what the best one is.

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  • BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    we need a decimal based clock like during the french revolution and a 10 months each with 5 weeks and then one new years party time end of year with 15 days or 16 every 4th year.

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  • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This was on @memes a few days ago. Guys, this is not redditcirclejerk.

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  • EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I agree with this! We should call the thirteenth month “Penisuary”

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  • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So funny thing I’m in a leftist discord and they convinced me that 24 hour time is better. I immediately switched to using it…
    … And struggled to understand what time it was for months before switching back to my normal 12 hour clock. 😂

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  • Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Now those are some prime months

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  • chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I like 13, it’s a prime number.

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  • joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well not exactly, this would require a leap month every so often

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