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starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I mean it also benefits salaried employees, 13 months means 26 pay periods
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
But you typically get paid an amount per year, divided between pay periods. You work the same amount, get paid the same amount overall, and get more pay periods at the expense of less pay per period
Pogbom@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s the same amount of weeks though. It’s just spread over 13 months instead of 12 so it would be the same total bi-weekly pay periods.
daltotron@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I would like to believe in calendar reform as a goal. At the same time, I think calendars are one of the only pretty decent somewhat universal standards we have going for us, and if we changed it at all, you KNOW we would just be using two competing standards, not everyone would want to switch because people are stupid, so unless you forced it from the top down through technology, like a really advanced, shitty version of y2k, which would make people super pissed, I dunno if any of it would work.
don@lemm.ee 11 months ago
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is the reason. Small changes like un-doing Daylight Savings is doable. But moving every holiday, birthday, and anniversary to another month+day combo would make this move daunting. The inertia of this kind of data would just make any transition period super long. So while you could implement the new calendar as a locale for phones and computer operating systems, but you’d probably be using two calendars for the rest of your life.
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Counterpoint: 1st shift, 2nd shift and 3rd shift work. Some people are better off using different systems that exist alongside but separate from the norm.
… And vice versa, workplaces and life offer us systems that dont work well for us but we need to use them because we need money to live. So not only would 3rd shift be a bad fit for most people, I’d argue most people do worse with the current calendar than they could with a new one.
daltotron@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fair point actually, I suppose, then, that my point, retrospectively, is that nobody should ever expect that, were we to adopt any new calendar or time measurement system, we’d somehow do less math. We will only ever do more math.
There is only math.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It really annoys the hell out of me that we don’t use a better calendar. I think about this once a week at least. I feel like being stuck with the Gregorian calendar is a good example of why so many inefficient structures exist in society - some assholes centuries ago decided on a thing, and out of habit and laziness we’ve stuck with it since.
originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 11 months ago
just think of everything in terms of seconds from 1970 and itll all fall out
Gork@lemm.ee 11 months ago
A compromise for the time keeping purists:
Set the current time to exactly 13.77 billion years (in seconds) then add the current Unix time in seconds from January 1, 1970 to maintain continuity. Just conveniently forget about the 40 million year uncertainty, it will cloud your mind.
This way we have an absolute clock that is closer to reality than from some religiously based calendar.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Better idea: instead of Epoch time move it back a few months to the moon landing.
joyjoy@lemm.ee 11 months ago
They programming community calls this technical debt.
Coreidan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Right? Imagine using the sun and the moon to track time. So fucking dumb.
MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Can we give the UN all the power it can and have them implement this new calendar?
Etterra@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I came up with this independently years ago. It’ll never catch on for the idiotic reason that you can’t subdivide 13 like you can 12. 13 is a prime number, while 12 can be divided easily by 2, 3, 4, and 6. 12 is like the whore of simple math.
BigT54@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, but that only matters for months. We could instead just use weeks since there are 52 weeks per year, so a quarter would be 13 weeks instead of 3 months. It would be easier to determine how many weeks there are in a span of a couple months because it’s not variable, or any number of months because they’re just multiples of 4. I know a lot of people would be turned off by the system because the number 13 comes up so often and people are superstitious but it really would make things easier imo.
Matcraftou@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is this true??? If so WHY THE F… ARE WR STILL USING THE CURRENT CALENDAR.
Honestly I would be all for a new calendar if this is true
SpezBroughtMeHere@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But that’s only 364 days. Which month gets the extra day, throwing the while thing off?
rayyy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The thirteen month calendar is called the International Fixed Calendar. George Eastman instituted its use at the Eastman Kodak Company back in 1928, and it was used there until 1989.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The only agency I’ve seen that pushes 13 months baths is WMATA in DC, so they can charge you 13 times per year for a metro pass instead of 12. I always felt like that was some BS.
bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
I like 10 months each with 6 weeks of 6 days each for a total of 360 days and a 5 day holiday at the end of every year (6 days during a leap year)
But Jesse really has opened my eyes to the possibility of a lunisolar calendar.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I just thought of something that could be better,
Scrap months altogether, just divide the year into quarters of 13 weeks each, name them for the seasons, Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, there isn’t really a reason why we need months specifically, if it’s to shorten date numbers then count by week number and day number
Day/Week/Quarter/Year
Today’s 7/8/4/23
mulcahey@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fun fact: this calendar exists and was in use by Eastman Kodak for most of its existence:
potterpockets@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
In keeping with tradition though we can only do this if we add the new month after August and name it Tiber.
sirico@feddit.uk 11 months ago
Lousy Smarch
reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 11 months ago
itt: 13 * 28 = 365.25
autumn64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Aztec and mayan calendars iirc was 18 months of 20 days each and 5 extra days at the end of the year.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 months ago
So here’s what’d be a better alternative when considering seasons and quarters
March, June, September, and December are all 35 days long, every other month is 28 days long.
Day 365 is Year’s End Day outside of the Calendar months, and Leap Day is an additional holiday inserted before January 1st when it happens.
The last adjustment I’d make is the Saint Monday plan, which is to say, make Monday a weekend day.
It’s named after the moon, you see the moon at the end of the day, so the moon’s day is the end of the week!
Adori@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fuckn year we have now was made way back in Rome, it was made in a way so no governing body would have the responsibility to fix the calendar every year to catch up, it was made even if there is no proper nation it’ll still be accurate and be self sufficient
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I would like to point out the biggest difficulty this faces.
There are about as many different ideas for new formats, complete with arguments about how they’d be the best one, as there are comments in this thread. And those arguments mostly hold up too.
A new format is never going to work because no one will be able to agree on what the best one is.
BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 11 months ago
we need a decimal based clock like during the french revolution and a 10 months each with 5 weeks and then one new years party time end of year with 15 days or 16 every 4th year.
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 11 months ago
This was on @memes a few days ago. Guys, this is not redditcirclejerk.
EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I agree with this! We should call the thirteenth month “Penisuary”
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
So funny thing I’m in a leftist discord and they convinced me that 24 hour time is better. I immediately switched to using it…
… And struggled to understand what time it was for months before switching back to my normal 12 hour clock. 😂Boomkop3@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Now those are some prime months
chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I like 13, it’s a prime number.
joel_feila@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Well not exactly, this would require a leap month every so often
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Flaws:
I like it, but I got an even better proposal. Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks. summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle. In leap years, new years is two days.
The 1st, 11th and 21st of each month are now Mondays, so you can tell the weekday of any date. Months are the same length just like in Jesse’s proposal, but an even 30 instead of a clunky 28.
I’ve thought about this a lot
name_NULL111653@pawb.social 11 months ago
Congratulations, you’ve successfully reinvented the Egyptian civil calendar, complete with the intercalary holidays and all…
Ryan213@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Our corporate overlords will want 8-day work-weeks. LOL
realitista@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Yeah I’m only in if we get 3 days off per week.
alldreadme@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Don’t take away me weekends
huginn@feddit.it 11 months ago
5 day weekend
amda@feddit.nl 11 months ago
We could fit three break day in a a 10 day week (3/10 is slightly bigger than 2/7). We could put the third day in the middle of the week to not have 7 work days in a row. In the fourth day mabey?
xenspidey@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
It actually does account for keep years. …m.wikipedia.org/…/International_Fixed_Calendar
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Leap years and keep years
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There are a number of different propositions. All with some benefits and downsides.
wolfpack86@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I hope that one of the new days is named after you and we all curse you every Potatuesday for creating more workdays.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
Having a day called Potatuesday… might be worth it
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Just don’t propose a unified earth/solar time even though it’s going to be necessary once we start spacefaring more lol.
Funnily enough this issue is being brought up a lot on Lemmy recently. I’ve been at the IFC and Fixed Time haters for a bit in a different thread lol.
worldtimeserver.com/…/the-proposal-to-abolish-tim…
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I recently thought of abolishing timezones altogether and everybody I told thought I was batshit crazy. thank you!
Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 months ago
And instead of calling them “weeks”, we could call them by the much more self-explanatory term “tendays”.
You can simplify it a little bit by putting the intercalary days between months, rather than using them for the solstices. We can put Midwinter between January 30 and February 1 and Midsummer between July 30 and August 1, in the northern hemisphere.
For the sake of putting it in a more user-friendly location, our leap day should be in the summer for the northern hemisphere (where most of the population is). So put it the day after Midsummer.
The only thing I would do differently from the Calendar of Harptos is that, like you, I would use New Year’s Day as the 5th annual intercalary day.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
the equinoxes and solstices are roughly 90 days apart anyway so we can do both :)
Calendar of Harptos actually influenced my post hehe
r00ty@kbin.life 11 months ago
Here's why I'm going to say no. It's because businesses would just rip us off by turning the working week into 8 days and just retaining the 2 day weekend.
No, and double no.
enki@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Businesses don’t have the power to do that if we collectively tell them no. But that being said, how DO you split up a 10-day week keeping the same basic ratio of “weekend” days?
Three weekdays, followed by a single “weekend” day or mid-week break, then four weekdays followed by a two-day weekend?
Fogle@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
What’s the work schedule
1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
3-1-4-2 would work and give 70% work to 30% off - currently we have 71.4% work in a 7 day week so it’s pretty similar with less friday burnout
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Less.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I like the 10 days week, but people, please rush to create a new religion to cover multiple free days or im out
GreenMario@lemm.ee 11 months ago
The extra days of the week is called Lazyday, Chillsday, and Beersday.
It is forbidden to work on these days, the Lord commands it.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
every other day is labour day, and thus a holiday.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My religion has a holy day called I’m taking today off or I’ll cut you
xeekei@lemm.ee 11 months ago
What names shall we give the new weekdays? Because I was thinking maybe we should rename a few existing ones, so no weekdays start with the same letters. Then they can be abbreviated to their respective first letters.
owatnext@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Someday, Funday, and Oneday.
dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I don’t see why 7 day weeks are bad in regard to the number system. We rarely need to divide the days of the week into equal portions. Remembering 1, 8, 15 and 22 as mondays would be trivial after a while.
You also claim that failure to address the 365th day and leap years is an issue, but your proposal also includes several cycle-breaking days. So the same issue would persist.
Moon deviation isn’t something I really worry about, but having a period which almost align with the cycle seems useful. It would be easy to just examine the initial phase within the month to chart out the rest of the month.
However, I think the biggest flaw is that the calendar would be divided into 13 equal parts, which sucks to divide into typical use cases, i.e. into 2 parts. You could split the 7th month, but it’s not really elegant. Dividing the year into 3 or 4 parts would be a mess.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
The 365th day is new years day… duh.
Norgur@kbin.social 11 months ago
Any solution that has some form of "oh those days? Nah, we don't count those" is disqualified immediately in my book.
name_NULL111653@pawb.social 11 months ago
laughs in Egyptian…
They had 5 or 6 intercalary holidays to celebrate the new year and adjust to the rise of the Nile (and we’d adjust it to astronomical time with leap years). It actually worked really well, and kept the people happy with a 5-day rest and celebration each year (something this world could definitely use).
superduperenigma@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As a software developer, I would rather give up the 1.25 days off a year just to not have to work around some weird monthless and weekless date every year.
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Dec can be the month with 29 days and a 4 year leap day. That way all the nonsense is in one place.
Moon cycle doesn’t matter.
7 day system is not clunky it is human.
SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Current workforce is schedule around a 7day centric week. It’s far easier to reorganize where the weeks fall in the year than changing the structure of a week. Suddenly the workforce would have segment of work overlapping between weeks, it’s an organizational nightmare.
The international fixed calendar did propose a solution force the 365 days and leap year but it’s basically out-of-the-week holidays.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
wdym? How is 10 more difficult than 7?
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Weeks should have a prime number of days. It’s not wise to be dividing weeks up.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
why hahah
burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
This is what I want! Fuck, this has it all! Its beautiful!
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Or just have days that are just not a part of the week - like Leap years - are their own day.