They took so long to start that all the hype is gone. I’ve got anti-hype, I fully expect to be disappointed. It’s going to suck.
Fallout 5 officially in pre-production, being built on Elder Scrolls VI engine
Submitted 6 days ago by baatliwala@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
https://www.trueachievements.com/news/fallout-5-pre-production
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Grimy@lemmy.world 6 days ago
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 6 days ago
that just means itll surpass expectations of sucking, instead of disappointing hype for not being perfect
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
But if it surpasses expectations does that mean it gets a raise for doing a good job??!
aburrito@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
Genuinely, like, I know where the money went obviously, but what about the shear amount of time they’ve had to make anything, like what the hell was actually happening in that studio honestly
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Endless arguments about a new engine vs even more duct tape on the creation engine. Starfield was a tech demo of their latest updates.
StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Pretty sure the only reason they’re doing it is as a token move for some court order or something. I’m really not interested either. No hype for me thanks. I’d rather have an actual game then the nebulous promise of a game that’s going to be disappointing.
Starfield was their last shot for me. They fumbled that.
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 5 days ago
It’s so XBOX’s new management doesn’t fire Bethesda’s management.
dreamkeeper@literature.cafe 5 days ago
I thought fallout 4 was pretty mid, which killed any hype I might’ve had for 5. Did not like having a backstory forced on my character.
DarkMetatron@feddit.org 5 days ago
So you didn’t liked Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas either? Both games had characters with predefined backstories too.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Gamer expectations are crazy high. Fall out 4 was objectively a decent game, and you could do nearly anything you wanted in the game and it had branching narratives. Some people will just never be happy.
Zahille7@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Just wait until the official reveal and you’ll be back onboard that hype train in seconds.
bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The official teaser of TES VI had me hyped. However, the official reveal of TES VI teaser will be old enough to buy TES V in 4 years. By the time it comes out he could be buying TES VI most likely.
People born the year Skyrim was released are almost old enough to drink.
Asafum@lemmy.world 6 days ago
“And the elder scrolls VI is built on the elder scrolls IV engine”
(Probably) Lol
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
You say that as if Unreal Engine gets a ground-up rewrite for every single version.
Code gets upgraded and adapted over time. And the Creation Engine is no different.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 5 days ago
Elder Scrolls IV used the Gamebryo engine, which is the predecessor/basis of the Creation engine.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Hooray!
but creation
I’m ecstatic, other engines just aren’t moddable like creation, this is GREAT news.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 days ago
It’s a very very old engine though. As funny as it is to put a pot on someone’s head I really hope the AI have a bit more brains in this one. It would also be nice if they could stall the interior of buildings inside the exterior so I don’t have to look at a loading screen whenever I open a door.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 4 days ago
unreal is older than gamebryo/creation is
and the AI in fo4 was actually pretty smart tho, hoping it gets improved even more
Aeao@lemmy.world 5 days ago
What is pre-production? Did they already buy the snacks? Are they just thinking about starting?
MimicJar@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Basically they’ve written the design document for the next game, which is why they can reveal the engine because that’s been decided on. It doesn’t mean they know the story yet, but they likely have a good general idea, because that would inform the design document.
For example if the game needed jetpacks, but that wasn’t an existing engine feature, then they have a plan for jetpacks. And if you NEED jetpacks, you probably know roughly where they’re going to be used, so you have some gameplay/story ideas mapped out.
But also a design plan and a finished product are very different things. You might plan for one thing, but create something very different.
So the game is probably still 4-5 years away.
krisevol@lemmus.org 5 days ago
if it’s made my Bethesda, i’ll pass. If it’s made by obsidian count me in.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 4 days ago
obsidian is doing a spin off before 5 comes out
bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Which of the latest Obsidian games did you like?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Grounded 1/2.
And while Pillars of Eternity isn’t my cup of tea, I know some who swear by it.
I know the reception to Outer Worlds “eh” (and I thought it was “eh”). And it was clearly supposed to be an New Vegas-like. But I think people forget Obsidian released 9 games and some great writing since Fallout 4 came out.
krisevol@lemmus.org 4 days ago
For fallout series, every one of them. I prefer them way over the Bethesda fallout games.
BlackVenom@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Yeah yeah yeah half life 3 too.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 days ago
God I hope Half Life 3 ain’t being built on the Creation Engine. That would suck.
echodot@feddit.uk 5 days ago
It’d be really weird if it was.
Zahille7@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Goddamn everyone here is so dismissive or apathetic, it’s a little disappointing and sad to see.
I’m not 100% gung-ho about this or anything, but I’m pleasantly unsurprised and I’m gonna start building up a tiny bit of excitement for it.
Like why can’t we just be kind of happy or excited that we’re gonna get more of what we like? Does everything really have to have some kind of negative connotation these days?
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 6 days ago
Starfield kinda killed positive views of Bethesda. Fallout 76 shortly before that essentially eliminating most of the good will they had.
Beyond the technical failures inherent to those titled, even more so than the average Bethesda title, the writing, the story, the atmospheric story telling were all just… bad. Not a single glimmer of what made Skyrim or their previous titles great could really be found. Fallout 76 felt like the most obvious and pathetic cash grab in game release history, being practically unplayable for the first six months of its life… which for an online game is ridiculous; and Starfield legitimately felt like what a dev team that were fans of Skyrim might produce. It felt like a third-party rip off of Bethesda’s style.
Don’t get me wrong both games have their fans, and honestly the hate is overrated as both games are competent, they’re just not good. They’re just not Bethesda games.
Add onto that the fact it’s been 15 years since a significant elder scrolls title was released; because let’s face it no one remembers Blades, ESO is its own thing entirely, and I had to actually google ‘elder scrolls card game’ to remember wtf Legends was called; and you have a recipe for absolute disappointment. Most of the people that worked on Oblivion and Skyrim are gone from the company. The new batch have not made a popular game in that time besides Fallout 4, which is still viewed by half the fallout fan base as the worst fallout game despite Fallout Tactics existing.
The negative outlook is because we aren’t likely to get more of what we like. Especially given Todd Howard’s obsession with using AI. This is much more likely to be a corpse wearing the skin of a beloved franchise than anything worth playing, all for the low-low price of $80+ USD, if not $100+ USD.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 6 days ago
For me it’s that I’ve played loads of games that use Bethesda’s tooling and it just ends up feeling pokey and samey to me. They’re hamstrung by their technical choices and after all these years I just don’t have it in me to get excited about their latest stab at making their wheezing toolchain cough out another needlessly sparse experience.
stoy@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
Cool, I’ll give this hype train a miss though.
jontree255@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I mean this should surprise no one after how well the TV show did. Probably not coming till like 2036 and two more rounds of mass layoffs from Xbox.
MrNobody@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
2036 and two more rounds of mass layoffs from Xbox.
Optimistic to assume only 2 more rounds of layoffs in the next decade, as opposed to next year or two.
jontree255@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Well the second half of the Xbox layoffs that just happened are still coming. Not sure if we’re counting those as one or two separate ones.
Shits fucked
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 6 days ago
For once I’m glad a game will be using Creation Engine. That’s how low Unreal has fallen.
buran@lemmy.today 6 days ago
Is Fallout 5 the same game or a different game to the one allegedly being developed by Obsidian?
master94ga@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Different games, Fallout 5 is developed by Bethesda after TES 6, Obsidian is working on another new Fallout
lath@piefed.social 6 days ago
Assuming this was decided after microslop decided to mass produce the Fallout IP faster and faster, I’d say they’re different games.
buran@lemmy.today 6 days ago
Mmm… I hoped the IP was transferred from one studio to another. Seems more like a borrowing.
Don’t know what Xbox would do if Obsidian ends making a better game and the Bethesda game is overshadowed by it.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 days ago
What, like how Obsidian made a better Fallout 3 than Fallout 3 with New Vegas?
theneverfox@pawb.social 6 days ago
Microsoft basically took it from Bethesda and cleared out a bunch of their core staff
The IP might not have been transferred, but Bethesda’s product ownership has been revoked. They didn’t even let outside teams touch their offshoot projects (like apps), and now the IP is probably going to be milked
Maybe obsidian will do something interesting with it before it inevitably is reduced to slop
DScratch@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
Given the downward trend from 3 -> 4 (and from 2 -> 3 from what I hear) this is a game that will really need to impress before I consider picking it up.
meco03211@lemmy.world 6 days ago
2 to 3 isn’t really a genuine comparison though. They’re different genres.
shani66@ani.social 6 days ago
I’d argue 4 is actually better than 3, just not in any way that actually makes it worth playing. 4 is a mediocre S.T.A.L.K.E.R. like, 3 is hot garbage.
AmbientChaos@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
3 and New Vegas are great games. 4 was okay, they just sold a lot of the soul in exchange for mass appeal, just like Skyrim did compared to Oblivion and Morrowind
DScratch@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
Maybe it’s because 3 was the first one I played, but 4 seemed much more shallow.
Worse mini games and you show up on an organisations doorstep and 10 mins later you’re running the place.
razzazzika@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
I look forward to playing it in 20 years.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 6 days ago
I’m out of the loop - is that just another iteration of the engine Bethesda has been using forever or did someone finally punch whoever keeps making that call in the right body part to make it stop?
FarceOfWill@infosec.pub 6 days ago
That jank engine is what makes the bethesda games modding community work.
If they give it up theyre throwing away a huge advantage, and we will get worse mods.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 6 days ago
I really don’t want to have to spend time figuring out which additional things I need to install to make their games good. I’d rather they were good out of the box.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 days ago
I keep seeing this sentiment in this thread, like Unreal isn’t just as easily modified. Doesn’t even need a specialized toolset; you just use the engine tools that are freely available.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
First off, you clearly haven’t played a Bethesda game since Skyrim. Bethesda has actually been making a ton of improvements to the engine over the years.
Second, rethink what you said. Do you really think every other engine isn’t continually updating the same engine over the past several decades?
Unreal Engine 6 is about to release. Do you seriously think that Epic is completely rewriting the engine from scratch for each version?
Do you really think that Unity is getting a ground-up rewrite every few years? Or GameMaker? Or Godot?
No developer is going to throw away a giant body of software and start over from scratch if they can help it. It’s absolutely insane. You take what you have, and upgrade it and adapt it for what you need.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 6 days ago
Your assumption is completely incorrect.
It isn’t that the engine is an iteration, it’s that it’s an iteration of an engine that is legendarily janky.
Now, when I say “engine” I’m using it as short-hand for “the way Bethesda uses the engine, its associated tooling, and media”. I’m aware that the GameBryo engine (or whatever they’re calling its latest descendant) can be used to make stuff that’s decent, but the open world RPGs that Bethesda uses it for are a terrible fit for it.
Their games succeed despite the engine, not because of it, and I’d love to see them build on something that I don’t pick up and immediately go “Yep, it’s another game using their technology”.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 days ago
Building your house on a solid foundation is great.
Building your house on a foundation of sand isn’t.
GameBryo is a foundation of sand.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 6 days ago
They’re making it in Creation 3, which is almost certainly a new iteration of Gamebryo/Creation Engine.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 6 days ago
Hooray.
orenj@leminal.space 6 days ago
I dont believe you
chahn.chris@piefed.social 6 days ago
So if this releases after TES 6 I guess I’ll play it with my friends in assisted living?
KC_Royalz@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Right? Like I just turned 48. It’s been 15 years since the last elder scrolls. I don’t count online bc I don’t care about online.
I’ll most likely be pushing 65 by the time fallout 5 releases
Zahille7@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Look at it this way: you could be the next “Skyrim Grandma”
SeaLorax@lemmy.today 1 day ago
😭
chahn.chris@piefed.social 6 days ago
See you in the home! Maybe there will be a wheelchair magic item in the game as a joke for fans. Like maybe wheelchair mounts?
southernwolf@pawb.social 6 days ago
Man I wish Lemmy had a way to give awards to comments (like old Reddit did), cause this one absolutely deserve it! xD