Submitted 3 weeks ago by restingOface@quokk.au to [deleted]
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Ironically, Marlboro started out as a brand targeted at women (which was true of all the original filtered cigarettes). It was only later rebranded for macho men.
Lot of fun facts about filtered cigarettes, like the fact that they don’t filter shit and are actually just filled with chemicals that turn them brown when exposed to smoke so that people think they’re doing something. Also fun: the earliest filters contained asbestos.
as someone who has tried smoking without a filter, they definitely do something other than brown (i have since quit)
I have mad respect for those who quit smoking. Well done dude.
They do restrict airflow, so if you suck the same way on an unfiltered cig it’ll fuck you up.
If you blow a single hit of a cigarettes threw a folded napkin, it will also turn brown. Its not “chemicals” like those scammy foot cleanse things. Its smoke and tar
Is this specific to smoking, or is it nicotine in general?
Iirc nicotine binds to the same receptors as oral estrogen. So I guess it’s just nicotine and possibly only if you’re doing pills? But I’ve never smoked so I’ve never delved too deep into it so I recommend you do a more thorough investigation.
So what you’re saying is the old commercials saying and displaying smoking makes you more manly were ignorantly accurate?
Still not worth cancer tho.
I mean whatever it takes
Eli5 please?
Marlboro is a major producer of cigarettes. Cigarettes, and tobacco products as a whole, are expensive, smelly and are proven to increase cancer risks due to the inhalation of carcinogens as the cigarette is lit and then inhaled. The burning of cigarettes also creates tar that is then inhaled, so there is literally black sludge that slowly accumulates in ones lungs as one inhale the smoke.
Reading all that, you might wonder how one could “love” it. Thing is, Tobacco products are incredibly addictive, once you start smoking cigarettes it is incredibly hard to stop. People start by only doing it with friends once a month or so, many people say it has a relaxing effect, especially when taken in a social circle, but then their brain craves it twice a month, and suddenly they want to do it every day or more often. It’s as we grown ups say, “a slut that takes all your money but wont love you back”.
Cigarettes also make hrt less effective.
This is then revealed to be a breaking point for the portrayed smoker, evidently a hormone replacement therapy user. See, hrt is helping a lot of people growing into a body they feel comfortable in. It’s like puberty, but a more controlled process some people really want to do to feel comfortable in their body. This meme is showing that this desire is so great they even give up something that is incredibly hard to quit, because this step in their life is so important to them. The same way some people love to stay fit to feel good about their bodies, hrt users expend real effort to get to a body they don’t hate when necessary.
As your friendly neighborhood cigarette representative, I would also like to ELY5 and say: have you seen our cool animated camel and did you know that menthol tastes like candy? Also, your older brother has a pack in his drawer that you definitely shouldn’t steal from. Good luck, kid! /s
It’s as we grown ups say, “a hooker who takes all your money but wont love you back”.
I’m so glad I read this lmao
Clearly this person never smoked before. Also fuck your ai response. Use your head.
I reckon it’s saying nicotine makes hormone replacement therapy less effective, and that’s not good for those on that therapy.
It prevents you becoming more feminine because smoking is just that manly. /s
Human Resources Therapy?
Hormone replacement therapy
Can people please stop throwing acronyms around expecting everyone to know them
the humble Wikipedia disambiguation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HRT
in this case, what is meant by HRT is en.wikipedia.org/…/Gender-affirming_hormone_thera…
Ah yes, hrt, a super niche and unknown concept. Very unheard of and obscure. I’m sure most people don’t get it.
Just so you know the first 2 results on Google for “HRT” are for menopause, the third is for a bus company.
Who “loves” a drug-addiction? I only ever heard extremely dumb people say “but I love smoking” followed by some incredibly cognitively dissonant "because"s.
You reek miles against the wind like a dirty old ashtray, age rapidly and die of it. What’s there to love?
I did smoke BTW, so I don’t talk about stuff I have no clue about.
Nah, when I was smoking I was truly enjoying the process. It was bad, obviously, but I fucking loved it. It was also a period where smoking was cool, so not only it was pleasant, but I looked cool doing it. And because it worsens your sense of smell, even downsides weren’t perceived badly.
I’m so glad it’s finally over, but I’m glad about it now, not then.
I started in probably the same time. For the same reasons. Being the same stupid teen. Of course I loved it. Being cool that is, not the process itself. It tasted like ass, I ruined a lot of carpets and keyboards and…being cool was literally the only thing.
But that was kinda my point. (Young) people do dumb things. But then you grow up or get wiser. And I’ve heard people smoking for 60yrs saying how they “love it”. And upon being questioned what it is they actually love about, it kinda comes down to how smoking calms the effects of nicotine withdrawal. And how could an adult, in today’s times, NOT know what smoking is, does, or how it affects us, or what coping is etc.
I’d bet my left nut, that those, who “love” it, deep down know they’re fucked, but convinced themselves otherwise to feel better and move on with life, not feeling like a slave to Marlboro.
Arguably that would even be the better path if you absolutely know you couldn’t stop. No reason to also hate yourself for it.
It’s like anything that makes us feel good. Smoking genuinely makes users feel good.
That’s the problem. It does not. It shortly relieves a smoker of withdrawal-symptoms. Drinking a bottle of Vodka makes you feel “good”. Smoking some crack or blow does make you feel “good”. Nicotine does basically nothing of value, you just feel great because you’re non-addicted. For a few minutes and then the withdrawal-symptons slowly mount again.
If a smoker now attributes this to be a BENEFIT of a cigaratte, not the ABSENCE of the opposite, that’s where the problem starts.
Well, you started smoking at some point for some reason. Either social pressure or you liked it.
Not calling you stupid, or saying that you are entirely wrong, but maybe consider that another smoker is at a different spot than you, right now. We humans like to repeat the mistakes of others.
I want to congratulate you for stopping!
I was a dumb-as-a-doornail teen in the 90s. That was the reason. Being the coolest motherfucker. And I doubt there ever was a person smoking the first one and be like “wow this is great!” I never liked it, I wanted to smoke too and did, and then there was no way out of it. Not once in my life I heard a smoker say “my first one was awereesomeeeee! I love this!”.
That’s the point where people choose to persuade themselves it’s not a drug addiction but a “life-choice” or “taste”. I mean, come on. All other drugs at least offer you something. Nicotine? The best it does it calm you down FROM the withdrawal symptoms.
It’s not really being “at a different spot”. There won’t be another step if you already convinced yourself you’d love it. That’s, IMHO, and surely only my anecdotal knowledge, what the less smart people do when, deep down, they know they’ve already lost.
Shouldn’t have sounded like from a high-horsed ex-smoker. But would you call that coping overly smart?
And thanks. Took me 15 years of “tomorrow I’ll start!” and two nightmare-weeks. Smoked 2-3 packs a day, which was like 30-45€ a day. God that hurts to say.
Exactly this, I have smoked for years and absolutely HATED that I smoke. It’s a blessing to be non-smoker.
The pro-smoking arguments are usually really dumb like “it’s for socializing” or “helps me release stress” or “allowing me to have a break” - all rubbish and can be debunked in seconds
Maybe my “dumb” was a lil harsh, but the decision to actively lie yourself into the belief “i love this!” is dumb. No better word for this kind of defeat. I couldn’t even lie to myself that hard, even if i truly wanted.
Yup, I hated it too. Hated every negative thing that came with it, most of all being a slave to tobacco-corporations. Just imagine, there’s only one company left, and you’re outta cigs. What is it that they could demand of you to do, that you would. just for the next smoke? That fucked me the hardest.
Well they both cause cancer
What both? Both packs of Marlboro or marlboro and hrt?
Source?
The Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) Clinical Trials Long-Term Follow-up Findings (2020): View the study on PubMed This landmark publication evaluates the 20-year outcomes regarding breast cancer incidence and mortality between combined and estrogen-only therapies. (Chlebowski et al., 2020) 2. The Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer Global Epidemiological Meta-Analysis (2019): View the analysis overview on the Oxford Cancer Epidemiology Unit This massive global collaboration reanalyzed data from over 100,000 women across dozens of epidemiological studies to define how different types and durations of HRT affect long-term breast cancer risks. 3. The Million Women Study Study Design and Cohort Characteristics: View the study via NCBI PMC This provides the foundational data and operational structure for the UK population-based cohort tracking real-world health outcomes in relation to HRT use. 4. Comprehensive Literature & Oncology Reviews Oncological Benefit-Risk Profile Review: View the full text via NCBI PMC A broad review analyzing the balance of risks regarding endometrial, ovarian, breast, and colorectal cancers. Modern Formulations & Breast Cancer Risk Analysis: View the full text via NCBI PMC A review investigating how different synthetic versus alternate biological hormone paths interact with breast tissue.
Nope
feminizing hrt, which is what is being spoken of, bears no major health risks
it does bear one moderate health risk, that being slightly increased deep vein thrombosis risk
not cancer
and there are also various minor side effects and various rare side effects
When they say hrt do they mean all or just estrogen? Not saying I have any plans but I know I need to quit.
What are you talking about?
You can just vomit a wordsalad and say it was a joke, it’s not how joking works.
this is so true. im smoking my last pack because im gonna be making my firdt hrt appointment.
“How could anyone love heir addiction?”
Proceeds to go stuff their face with chocolate. Oh no that’s not the same thing at all. If you smoke too much it’ll kill you…
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You are a loser if you smoke cigarettes
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m about as anti-smoking as it gets, and whaaaaat the hell is this.
fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
If they are losing their lives by smoking, aren’t they losers by definition? ;P
morphballganon@mtgzone.com 3 weeks ago
Maybe they think shaming will be effective
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
I’m going to start smoking again just to spite you.
VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Congratulations, you played yourself
wuffah@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
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hansolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Bad Dudes!
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
lol, “, Director, FBI”. Obviously we should listen to this message from such an important person that required listing their title and where they work. Dude was probably stoked to say “I put my name in video games!”
REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
I genuinely can’t tell if this is a ragebait or you genuinely think that
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Doesn’t failure to quit literally make you a loser?
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
And also if you do that ^^^
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Technically correct, but is it right to say it?
Same situation applies in other situations, and it isn’t limited to addiction.
liuther9@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And eat sugar and drive car
Magnum@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Okokok I don’t drive 😎
Grimy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s clearly false and ignores the years of subtle advertising in Hollywood movies.