True story. Email is one of the last things I’d try to host myself.
It will be great, they said...
Submitted 1 day ago by xia@lemmy.sdf.org to [deleted]
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salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 1 day ago
Naz@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
I knew someone online who did.
Their autism level was in a category that I’ve yet to find words for. The train people fear them.
the_q@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
This person has been there.
merc@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I’m still there. I’ve always wanted to be able to offer an email service to family or friends. But, even though I’ve been doing it for a couple of decades, it’s never been stable enough to offer to them. For part of that time it’s because I didn’t really know enough of what I was doing, but the more I learned and the better I got at it, the more I started to lose the war against both spammers and against the major service providers who kept making it harder and harder to prove you’re not a spammer.
The latest one was literally issue 3. My provider splits an IPV6 /64 among multiple VPSes, when most of the world, including blocklist publishers, think a /64 is for a single “entity”. The only way to resolve it was to not use IPV6.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 1 day ago
that third one killed it for me. I hate what the Internet has become. We need to setup a second Internet that somehow can’t be monetized.
Nomecks@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
It’s called the i2p network
harmbugler@piefed.social 1 day ago
Correct. Come to I2P and experience 90s internet again. It’s slow but has character, if by character you understand I mean anonymous Geocities.
ViscloReader@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
With black jack and hookers?
Forester@pawb.social 14 hours ago
This is an amusing thread for me as my day job used to be unfucking postfix and exim servers daily for a fleet of vps and dedi boxes.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
unfucking postfix
This is not a task for the feint of heart, nor was it ever, even back when the technology was first invented. I salute you.
Forester@pawb.social 13 hours ago
Tbf most of the time you just had to clear ssd space and rebuild indices after restarting services as mostly the mail was there but stuck in queue
motruck@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
Hosting email is bad because the few companies everyone tells everyone to use run email. It is fine if hosting email isn’t for you but discouraging others to not try is exactly how we lose ground ona completely open protocol. Everyone who is willing should host email. There are “distros” like mailinabox and mailcow that make it very easy. The more folks that host it the more the larger hosts will have to start to be more of a tram player.
cals11@programming.dev 4 hours ago
I sorta self host my email. Technically aws hosts my email but I’ve a local postfix and dovecot to serve devices.
That simplifies ip address reputation, dkim, spf, etc. It also provides a backstop if my homelab goes down as messages buffer to s3. I pay a few cents per 1k messages, which effectively means zero.
rektstarsceosu@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
ai image… with positive vote??? on myfediverse??? what a shame
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Because it’s hard to notice it.
rektstarsceosu@lemmy.zip 23 hours ago
it looks uncanny and i also know OP, they used to post chatgpt slop here
Bababasti@feddit.org 1 day ago
It really is. I used to be able to tell the difference, but where do you people see that it’s AI in this image?
TheBat@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
I downvoted it the moment it popped up.
Johanno@feddit.org 21 hours ago
Why don’t selfhost?
Reliability.
My server is down sometimes. Sometimes days.
No server no email.
alekwithak@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
No server no email.
I fail to see the problem.
Magnum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 hours ago
Skill issue. My server has better online times than CloudFlare or AWS.
stickly@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
AWS offers an SLA of 99.9 availability, which it has usually exceeded each year. That means your server can’t be down more than ~8h per year to beat it. Your residential ISP (in a nearly optimal case) has a 15-30 min service period overnight every few weeks.
Hope your area gets less than ~3 hours of power outages per year or you’re going to be breaching your SLA before you even hit software.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 20 hours ago
And a fraction of the users so hardly comparable.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
I stopped hosting my own email servers many years ago, even when I was being paid for it. Any time anyone mentions DKIM or yahoo throttling or anything of that nature I get a thousand yard stare and and start to hyperventilate. I’m sure it easier when you aren’t sending 5 million messages a month, but who needs the headache.
ArchAengelus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
What kind of operation was this? That’s 170,000 emails a day!
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Backend provider for Realtors. New listing alerts and updates on properties that potential buyers were tracking.
vrek@programming.dev 1 day ago
Long ago I think it was 2006, I worked in a computer store/corporate it support that used to also be a 56k dial up isp. When i first got hired it was supposed to be like a paid internship. 2 weeks in the guy “mentoring” me was fired. Only other employees was the owner was had a PhD in information technology from 1984 and never kept up and his wife who did the accounting.
Over the next year he hired and fired probably 15 people and then decided he liked me enough to make me full time. He had no idea what he was doing and neither did I. Basically I was responsible for 8 business networks(including a 150 employee credit union), any computers a customer brought in, and our own internal network.
One day it was slow so I was browsing various web comics. The owner comes on at 1030(we opened at 900) furious with me. He claimed I was “reading a page with black text on a white background” which meant I was reading how to operate a spam business. That was his proof, a page with black text and a white background which he could not find my history.
He had received a letter from his isp that we were sending 2.5 million emails a day, we had 72 hours to resolve the issue or we were to be cut off. I argued that I didn’t run a spam operation, he had no proof and there were simpler explanations. It got so heated I quit, keep in mind I was only employee.
Next day the credit union was having a server issue and he had no one to fix it. He called me asking for me to return, I negotiated a $1 hour raise, an official written letter of apology, pay for time the previous day and that day and told him I would be back the following day.
I went in, solved the server issue(eventually found out cleaning crew was unplugging the power strip to plug in their vaccum over night and the server was configured not to restart when power returned). Went back to the office and talked with the owner. He showed me the letter and it identified 2 ip addresses as being the source. Neither was my computer and I didn’t recognize them. There was a command you could send over the terminal to open the CD tray based on ip address. I ran the command and basically walked around looking for a computer with open CD trays.
Turns out there was 2 servers, outside of our firewall directly facing the internet and yes for the memes they were originally dns servers from the 56k isp days. They were running original nt4, completely unpatched, with no security software installed and permanent outside facing ip addresses. I ran a virus scanner on it, I stopped when it detected over 100k infected files. Disconnected the servers, waited 10 minutes, called isp and effectively all email had stopped (the boss and myself both sent 1 email to confirm it was still working).
titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Spam farm.
Uri@infosec.pub 1 day ago
Al slop
chunes@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Give it up, dude. The models that just recently came out are so good you are kidding yourself if you think you can tell them apart from photographs.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 1 day ago
Wait, why? I thought I was generally gold at spotting these things, but here I’m struggling. The only thing that looks a little out of place to ne is the ring on his pointing hand, but that might genuinely be a dark band + shadow. What else have I missed?
BluesF@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
The tie is the most egregious part, if you zoom in the pattern makes no sense at all.
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
It is great.
Mailcow protected by crowdsec, using SMTP2GO as outbound relay. No issues. I even have Addy.io running without issues.
nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
I just wish mailcow supported podman. Weirdly enough, apparently Docker Mailserver does, but I haven’t had the energy to sink time into setting it up
InFerNo@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Self hosting for years and have none of these issues, but I’m going to migrate soon and will probably be able to use this as a checklist 😐
truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 1 day ago
Been self hosting mail for over a decade and its never been easier thanks to stalwart. The IP block list thing is true though, but mostly you request removal once from Microsoft and spamhaus and that’s it.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
What is stalwart?
justme@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
A software stack for mail hosting
s@piefed.world 1 day ago
Your slop-pooping machine is bad at text parallax and it still looks gross
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
You’re a slop-poooing machine.
s@piefed.world 1 day ago
Don’t shame me for my IBS
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This seems more like a poorly assembled template than GenAI
AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
It is definitely both.
The tie pattern is probably the most obvious artifact, but the lighting and focus being inconsistent is what kicks off the intuitive “this is definitely GenAI” sense
s@piefed.world 1 day ago
The image is hypersaturated and hyperaveraged
Rooty@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Given the amount of spam selfhosting your email sounds like the 7th circle of hell. Media servers should be enough, thankyouverymuch
kalpol@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Firewall with pfblocker and good feeds solves most of the problem. Spamassassin and URLBLs still work. It really isn’t hard, once you set it up the config never changes. The static IP is by far the worst part.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 day ago
AI slop yet again!
knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I still self host. Nothing beats mimedefang on sendmail to this day.
dan@upvote.au 1 day ago
I self-host my emails, but use an SMTP relay for sending. IMO, the interesting part of self hosting email is the storage
twiked@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
What SMTP relay are you using ? I’m considering switching to Migadu but open to other options.
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
I have Stalwart installed and use an SMTP relay too. I can send and receive email just fine, never had an issue with that. The only thing that doesn’t really work is the account setup (when you add your account to an email client). It doesn’t detect the settings, so I have to add them manually and I have to ignore the certificate warning but maybe I’ll get around to fixing it someday.
dan@upvote.au 22 hours ago
It doesn’t detect the settings
Autodiscovery needs DNS SRV entries to be added for each domain. The legacy Exchange- and Outlook-specific way was a file at
/autodiscover/autodiscover.xmlbut I don’t know if email clients still use that.I have to ignore the certificate warning
I’m not familiar with Stalwart but you should be able to use Let’s Encrypt certificates.
sunstoned@lemmus.org 16 hours ago
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 1 day ago
I’ve actually been having a great time with simple-nixos-mailserver.
Running with a dedicated ipv4 at a highly reputable hoster, to my knowledge, I haven’t landed in a spam folder yet!
gkaklas@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Reminder of this:
poolp.org/…/you-should-not-run-your-mail-server-b…
And that mailu.io (and other similar projects) makes self-hosting email almost trivial 😁 (at least for people that can run a pre-configured
docker-compose.ymland buy their domain etc)Zanathos@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Mailcow internal on Debian VM. SMTP2Go free external relay.
Have had the occasional issue after an upgrade or reboot can’t find my LetsEncrypt cert and will bork the system until I manually fix it. Perhaps my latest script update finally resolved that.
Otherwise, not that bad. Been running my own email for about 5 years or so. I don’t sign up for many outside services with it. It’s mainly for internal alerting or testing purposes but still works very well.
Godort@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
How do you handle backups?
The other side of email is that it has become the default identity provider for the Internet. If that VM becomes unrecoverable somehow, how would you get access to your past emails?
Zanathos@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I was using Veeam when my stack was on VMware, but after moving to Proxmox I’ve been unable to get the Veeam agent working properly for VM recovery.
I tried Proxmox Backup at one point, and while it did work for base VM backup, the interface and capabilities of it just don’t stack up to Veeam in my opinion, and I’m more concerned about file backup than VM recovery as I can easily recreate anything in my stack through my documentation.
I’m actually glad you mentioned that because I do need to revisit it. The few times I did have to recover the VM from backup I was able to do so when my backup process was working, but I’ve thankfully not had any recovery situations in the past 2 or so years since moving to Proxmox. And recovery doesn’t help in situations where your cert is expired which is usually my issue historically.
As for past email recovery, Mailcow does have documentation on recovering from a failed server\database, but I consider my personal deployment volatile since I’m only using it for alerting and mostly internal only services.
I would fully switch over to it if I had more personal time, and if I knew I could make my family comfortable with accessing it. But right now I feel the risk is too great to move anything personally or financially important over. In the event something bad were to happen to me, I’m the only one with knowledge on how to recover the environment and I don’t need my family to take on that burden if I were to become incapacitated or forbid, pass away suddenly.
ikidd@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I do fine.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 day ago
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
Let me know if you need on prem Exchange. I got you covered.
quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 3 hours ago
highly recommend mailinabox.email for setting up and and ticking every compliance box. dmarc, spf etc
unfortunately you can be the best, most compliant host on the planet with the with a cleanest of IP’s… google is still going to randomly and silently drop your email to different email addresses. so its pretty much completely untenable for non hobby project.
fuck google so fucking hard