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• mushroommunk@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Sadly I’ve still never seen any real papers on this being an actual theory.

  I’m still want to believe I’m Ent livestock though.

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  • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s because it doesn’t really make sense, plants came before animals. Plants do not need us to survive, but we need plants to survive.

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    • Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Plants came before moths, but there are some desert plants whose life cycle is dependent on a species of moth pollinating them. How things were in the past influences but isn’t the sole arbiter of how things are in the present or future.

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    • jrs100000@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      We don’t need chickens to survive either. It doesn’t mean we didn’t domesticate them.

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    • Manjushri@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Plants need us animals to turn that oxygen they produce back into carbon dioxide for them.

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    • codemankey@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Things change tho, they can “evolve” so to say.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      plants came from red algae i believe, that was able to survive on land as primitive bryphytes, or thier ancestors. carbiniferous period is when they really took off. Plants encorporated both chloroplast and mitochondria endosymbionts in thier evolution.

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  • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Consider the Navel Orange. Completely unable to reproduce on its own, yet it has millions of progeny because of people like you!

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    • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Every seedless fruit is a testament of how humanity has deviated from its original, seed nurturing purpose.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      its a clone of a clone, much like the cavendish bannana, and cultivars of watermelons. and apples too.

      fun fact, there is actually a cold tolerant wild orange that grows in the wild, the trifoliate orange, but its not edible, and it has thorns, and its more resistant to disease than domesticated oranges.

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    • Bring_Back_Buggy_Whips@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Navel gazers?

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    • mushroommunk@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That reminds me. Need to go clone some grape cultivars and do some more guerilla gardening at my buddy’s house

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Bacteria grow us for their homes

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    • baltakatei@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Brb, gotta go buy some cat food.

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  • FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Against The Grain by James C Scott touches on the “who actually domesticated who” question.

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  • I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The botany of desire is a fun book written on the subject. Michael Pollan is not a scientist though, he’s a science and environmental journalist and Harvard professor.

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• frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I think it's the fungi manipulating all of us.

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  • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Look man. Mycelium. It’s all connected don’t you see? I don’t mean clones. They’re not clones. Its something else. It’s one BIG connection. It’s one BIG organism.

    And it’s MASSIVE. You think it’s just a little mushroom on the forest floor. But under that mushroom is a string. A string that connects to another string that may be connects to a root or another mushroom. Then strings with no mushrooms between the trees. And the strings outpace the trees.

    So the direction the trees grow in? Isn’t decided by the trees, or the larger environment around it at all. It’s decided by the mycelium. The war between fungi and bacteria is an ancient and bloody one.

    I don’t fear the bacteria. No. They can colonize and grow resistance to antibacterials produced by the fungi and chemists. But fungi? Fungi can communicate. Fungi can parasitize. Fungi can grow in radiation contaminated environments.

    They are the dominant lifeform on this planet.

    And if you still don’t believe me, wait until you inexplicably have a yeast infection despite practicing hygiene taught at a super young age. That itch. That pain. It’s a higher evolved organism consuming everything.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      First we had !NotKenM, now we need !NotStamets.

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  • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If all the yeast in our bodies’ microbiomes could coordinate together to take us over, we’d be so screwed.

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• LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That top sentence has a bunch of flavor text. Livestock implies they’re intentionally being kept as livestock. Plants aren’t sentient. That’s like saying evolution is intentional.

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  • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Keep in mind that “Welcome to Nightvale” is a Lovecraftian comedy podcast set in the fictional town of Nightvale

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  • TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I mean it’s true… but there’s a pretty reasonable case that humans aren’t sentient. We think we’re doing shit for a good reason but at the end of the day on a large scale we’re just going through the motions of what our environment leads us to do.

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    • stray@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      This is why I don’t like determining an organism’s value based on how “sentient” it is. I prefer to admit that I treat dogs and pigs better than carrots and fish because I empathize with them more, entirely of my own bias. I don’t think I have any more or less value than a blade of grass; we’re both products of happenstance just running our programming, and we won’t be around long.

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  • urandom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Plants aren’t sentient.

    That’s what Big Vegan wants you to think!

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  • Nikls94@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Plants aren’t sentient by our understanding of sentience there’s evidence that they communicate via the mycelium network and give their own offspring more nutrients than others. That‘s the two I can think of without googling

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What other understanding of sentience would we fucking use?!
      The mycelium network thing is way overblown - it allows some crude, undetected signals to pass.

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    • spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      They also nurse their sick and keep stumps from dying - from The Secret Life of Trees, which also supports your comments

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  • robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    some plants respond to stimuli, they aren’t sapient. cuss out your local science fiction editor.

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    • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Literally all life responds to stimuli

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    • mathemachristian@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Plants arent sentient. water reacts to “stimuli”, reacting to your surroundings does not imply sentience 🤦

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• TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I thought it was fungi, as they are the ones breaking both plants and us down, are the oldest of all of us, both feed plants and us, etc.

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  • MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I thought fungi was relatively new - which is why we have coal?

    I am very happy to be corrected

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    • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Fungi are older than literal roots. The first land plants relied on them for nutrient exchange before evolving a radical system. My mind was blown away during a presentation by Dr. Toby Kiers about the latest research on mycorrhizal networks. They directly imaged nutrients moving both ways through those narrow filaments, through unknown mechanisms. www.spun.earth/networks/mycorrhizal-fungi

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    • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Fungi are much older. Source

      Plants are older than thought: 500 million years old. Source

      The earliest fungi started to develop 1.5 billion years ago, with other types 635 to 400 million years ago. Source

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• Trollivier@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I prefer to serve trees and plants than CEOs

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    no one tell trollivier about the Central Executive Organism, that giant tree that is like a million trees and fungus

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Pando? But that’s only in the ten-thousands.

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• LadyCajAsca@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Until we have evidence for a higher sentience from plants this is just how living organisms develop and evolve alongside other organisms who they have a symbiotic with.

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  • Devjavu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    So it’s a symbiotic relationship…

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    • mathemachristian@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      yeah, thats what she said…

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• Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  They (the predecessors of cyanobacteria) started with a clean slate/with an oopsy of oxygen overproduction that wiped the board.

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  • minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The first recorded genocide.

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    • ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Closer to omnicide, like, basically everything died.

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• Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around
  An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced
  Now I must take their medicine

  spoiler

  the medicine is drugs.

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• saimen@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  They most successful organism on earth is wheat

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  • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You might say they’re… Bread for success

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• TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Confirmed: Fossil Fuel Capitalism is a righteous slave revolt

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You mean the thing where we put tons of greenhouse gases in the air which warms the planet and makes it even better for photosynthesizing life, but even worse for mammals?

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• Eq0@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  For anyone interested: Welcome to Night Bale is a great horror/surrealist podcast. Definitely recommend

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• woodenghost@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  What are signs of ‘species domestication’?

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• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If we are being ruled by our crops it would have to be corn and not trees, unfortunately. Trees would be much better overlords I think.

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• ashenone@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Go see the redwoods and you’ll know for sure this planet belongs to the trees

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  • qarbone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Then they redwoods should be sending aid to the Amazons, because they are losing hold.

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    • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      To say nothing of their cowardly inaction on Ukraine and Palestine.

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    • spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I can’t remember where, but I read recently that the pace of Amazon destruction was noted to be slowing recently. Maybe cbc.ca. It stuck with me cuz I literally thought “oh finally a nice piece of news in this desperate wasteland”. Granted, things aren’t looking great, but dare we hope

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• princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Just posting Human Domestication Guide on main smh

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• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  yeah but i eat trees, so that puts me on top of the food chain

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• resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Explains why we can’t stop emitting carbon dioxide.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The “species domestication” bit is just the social part of evolution (less agressive, more cooperarive) mistaken as self-domestication.

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• BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  All hail our the overlords!

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