what are the changes and why?
can’t post this and expect us to carry on
>:(
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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
ChexMax@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah! I’m barely able to get mad about this with no information!
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This sort of thing happens all the time, and it’s usually subject to some level of debate. Just look at the ponderosa pine (pinus ponderosa. Some say there is one species with multiple subspecies, some say they are just different varieties, some say that they are different species, or some are and some arent, etc.
socsa@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
From henceforth "trees" shall now be called "tall wavy bois" and "flowers" shall be known as "colorful stemmy bennies."
I will not be taking questions.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
But what will the tree community be about then?
binary45@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Weed. Like it’s always been.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
!trees@lemmy.world mentioned
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
“Pussy willow will now be called cotton stick.”
XOXOX@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m Cotton Stick… Cotton Stick Galore.
Crewman@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Had it not been for Cotton Stick Joe…
HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Pluto is a planet!
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The only reason Pluto is no longer a planet is because we discovered there were loads more planets and couldn’t be bothered to acknowledge their existence!
shneancy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
i’ve spent 25 years on this blue marble fascinated by space, and only recently discovered there multiple long orbit dwarf planets going around the sun??? that is so cool why is this not widely known!
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s been like that for decades to be honest. Ceres used to be called a planet, but you don’t see anyone complaining about it’s demotion
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Unpopular opinion: dwarf planets are cool.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
but so not?
we used to have a handful of elements, but when we kept discovering more, we didn’t change the rules to have elements, and “steange elements” so schools only have to teach about 16 elements.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yes, a dwarf planet!
_AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
And Jupiter is a Gas Giant, but we still count it as one of the planets of our solar system
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The most performative “hurr durr science” bullshit ever. Who fucking cares if Pluto was considered a planet when you were a kid?
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Pluto’s not a planet, but he doesn’t care because he knows he’s hot shit.
llii@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Pluto is a
planetplant!squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pluto is a dog!
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
NPC wojak: “I love science.”
“Science says sex and gender are two different things.”
NPC wojak gets angry: “Science was corrupted by the Jewish cabal! See: John Money*!”
* John Money is not Jewish, but is pushed by transphobes with the hope you’ll accuse him being one.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
forget about John Money
look into Magnus Hirschfeld, had the first gender clinic and did research and surveys on gender, he pioneer gender treatments and helped transsexual people (that’s was the name back then)
he was Jewish and was targeted by the Nazis exactly how you said.
The famous book burnings started out when they raided his institute and burned all his research.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Using Martin Hirschfeld has the issue of not being able to sell the myth of “transgenderism is a recent thing”.
fishos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wasn’t this more about taking away the names from a bunch of people who in hindsight were terrible people? I remember something awhile back about people getting upset because some groups had decided that if you had a shred of negativity in your past, you weren’t allowed to discover and name things. I believe they were trying to change a bunch of names “to not honor the original person”.
That didn’t feel like science so much as politics and I get why some would be against that.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Science is a highly political process.
The real actual science, just ask petroleum, cigarettes, sugar, mosanto glyphosate, lysenkoism, grant allocation, DDT, lead gasoline and paint, amiante, IQ, operation paperclip, nuclear testing, SSRIs, opioid crisis, covid 19, gain-of-functionr research, psychology replication crisis, trans fats, usda food pyramid, even cold fusion and the latest entry in this list PFOA/PFAS.
Scientific truths and regulatory actions often “become allowed” only when they are no longer economically threatening to the incumbents.
Gladaed@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Some of the examples are not shown to work. They are however still good examples since going down a dead end can be a good example. Deciding where to explore is deeply political.
fishos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think you’re confusing “politics injected into science” with science. Science is data and analyzing it. Pretending someone didn’t invent something is removing data points and I’m pretty sure science calls that fraud, just like we call the studies that found cigarettes healthy to be frauds, or the oil companies to be frauds. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Have you ever been to a niche scientific community conference? It’s always been 90% politics.
The Magellanic Cloud community collectively decided that they didn’t want to study objects named after someone who had subjugated the communities of ancestors studying it, so they agreed to call them the Milky Clouds. A pop science article went out about it and people complained that it wasn’t science, it was politics. But unless you’re a part of that community, you don’t get to decide on the names of the objects that these people understand better than literally anyone else alive or dead. They’re doing more science regarding these objects than anyone else has ever tried, they get to decide what’s best, even if it appears political.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
And that’s how you end up with Gulf of America
fishos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“unless you’re a part of the community fuck you”
I can see why it got heated…
Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 2 weeks ago
That didn’t feel like science so much as politics and I get why some would be against that.
Respectfully, this is a weak sauce excuse, and a completely unscientific attitude. Scientists do not establish arbitrary barriers between different fields.
These kinds of statements 99% of the time come from people who don’t even do science, and whose understanding of science consists of “take down data points, analyse data points, be neutral” (paraphrasing your comment).
In reality, scientific names are usually given to honor specific people. The idea that the community just gives names to people who discovered things is simply ignorant of history. There are literally cases of people purchasing name recognition. There are also cases of people being honored by having their name on a phenomena they didn’t even discover, or a unit they did not create (typical for units, which are standardised by committees and not named after people in the standardisation committee)
Mothra@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Cue in the guys about to get hanged meme. Paleontologist asking the Botanist, “First time?”
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
meanwhile,
we still refuse to call Sonic th hedgehog protein anything else.
JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I mean, I’m ngl sometimes I do feel like I gotta go fast.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
So no one can see me because I’m so small
OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Potatoes are now called potatoes
ekky@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
tomatoes and potatoes are now called tomatos and potatos
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What kind of toes?
OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you have to ask, you can’t afford em
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
which plants though? are you making shit up?
chrome_daddy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ll be damned if you expect me to start calling it a Brazil nut
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Brazil Deez nutz
AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
You hear what they did to Pluto?
LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
Coleus amboinicus -> Plectranthus amboinicus and I’m back to having no coleus, I’ll never forgive
flora_explora@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
Looked it up because I hadn’t heard of it. Wikipedia say the following:
Common names in English include Indian borage, country borage, French thyme, Indian mint, Mexican mint, Cuban oregano, broad leaf thyme, soup mint, Spanish thyme.
What? So does it taste like a mix of borage, thyme, mint and oregano?? Sure, they are all Lamiaceae (except for borage), but they have wildly different aromas!
LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
There are something like twelve common names in english, it was introduced to me as “oregano brujo” (wizard’s oregano). It’s most strongly oregano in its aerosol phenols but when I’ve used it in meals (usually in a slow cooker) it’s got notes of the thymol that come through.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
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samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
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Corn@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I can think of at least one.