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  • Obelix@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just FYI:

    Single-use plastic products are used once, or for a short period of time, before being thrown away. Under the EU’s rules on single-use plastics, the EU is tackling the 10 single-use plastic items most commonly found on Europe’s beaches and is promoting sustainable alternatives. The 10 items are

    Cotton bud sticks 
Cutlery, plates, straws and stirrers 
Balloons and sticks for balloons 
Food containers 
Cups for beverages 
Beverage containers 
Cigarette butts 
Plastic bags 
Packets and wrappers 
Wet wipes and sanitary items

    …europa.eu/…/less-plastic-waste-means-cleaner-bea…

    So yeah, nets are bad, but straws, plastic bags, cigarettes and packages are also a problem.

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    • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      People want to pretend just the things that are convenient to them are an issue. They say government and companies need to take action, then complain about actions taken. It’s really wild to see.

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      • Azteh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not throwing my garbage in the wild makes me have no idea how often straws end up in the ocean, so it seemed like a wild thing to go after.

        Any idea if it’s people dumping all this stuff in the wild or if it’s because we throw it out in our bins that it somehow gets to the ocean?

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    • Jtotheb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is a list of end-consumer items put together by a government body beholden to fishing and other industries. And it’s not even about pollution levels, it’s specifically about beach pollution. Plastic lids on cartons of heavy cream are “also a problem” if we focus only on reducing plastic waste in the kitchen, but implying it’s even relevant compared to industrial plastic waste is disingenuous

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      • Obelix@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Why shouldn’t it be relevant? The waste is out there, is being found on our beaches and the industrial plastic waste is not swept up as often? So why would a regulation to prevent the most common plastic-items on our beaches from being there be bad?

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    • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hmm. Perhaps the beaches shouldn’t be the prioritized focus for developing alternatives to plastic.

      If it’s on the beach, it can be picked up. Today, tomorrow or eventually.

      I think the plastic that can’t be as easily be collected ought to be replaced by alternatives first.

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      • then_three_more@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If it’s on the beach it’s been washed up there. The stuff that’s washing up can be collected, sure, but that represents a small percentage of the overall amount that there is.

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      • Obelix@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If it gets swept up on the shore, it’s in the ocean. So it totally makes sense to prevent it from being there.

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    • Jajcus@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Single use plastic items laying on the beach is what bothers people the most, but this doesn’t mean it is the biggest problems. There is much more plastic in the oceans that we do not see.

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    • ComradeMiao@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cotton bud stick???

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      • Obelix@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s kind of crazy - those plastic Q-tips are only better if you want to totally wreck your ears and every doctor is warning against that. For every legitimate use, those paper variants work perfectly well

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      • then_three_more@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think Americans call the q tips

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      • thesystemisdown@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Unbranded Q-Tip

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    • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not saying they are not but from what you posted it could still be 99.9% nets, what is in the article is just a list of the most common found items in breaches.

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    • Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      straws

      I probably use a straw a single time each year, and I don’t see people using straws much either, why is this a huge problem again?

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      • Obelix@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And if you go out and order a drink, you might get 3 or 4 straws. Yes, it’s stupid. Yes, it doesn’t make sense. But it happens and people throw their to-go drinks into the environment after they finished them

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  • JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, someone else is doing something worse than me so I’m absolved. I can do what I want.

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    • Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, I simultaneously want to comment that the left panels are a wild fantasy, as I’ve never seen an actual human say that we should focus on plastic straws. As far as I can tell, that’s propaganda put into the world by companies trying to discredit genuine efforts.

      But at the same time, it’s not even like you have to focus on straws. You can simply not use them, because it is just a stupid concept to produce something that’s immediately trash, and then also go and do other things in life. Believe it or not, most activities in life don’t involve straws.

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      • chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Straws become the focus because people like them and find them useful and make them a part of their culture and then proposed bans threaten to take them away. People do focus on them, I’ve seen plenty of online arguments about straw bans and the ethics of straws, which happens because they are a part of the lives of the people arguing about them, unlike fishing nets which they never use or see.

        There is a side of environmentalism that comes off as being smugly superior about your lifestyle and disparaging and seeking to shame and control in small ways (usually poorer) people who don’t live that way, with the pretext that it’s about saving the planet. To me that sort of thing seems like it’s mainly just a dumpster fire of political capital, purely counterproductive.

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    • conc@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Have they not seen the turtle video?!

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      • i_love_FFT@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That was not a single-use plastic straw. It was a reusable straw like the one people started buying to avoid single-use ones.

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  • sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Plastic Recycling is Largely A Myth.

    The world produces an average of 430 million metric tons of plastic each year. The United States alone produces tens of millions of tons of plastic waste annually. Yet on average, only about 5 to 6 percent of plastic in the U.S. is recycled.

    Basically, the vast majority of plastic either literally cannot be recycled, at all, or would be astoundingly expensive to properly seperate according to it’s different types and run through the recycling process.

    Oil companies have known this for decades, and with other issues surrounding pollution … they’ve promoted anything that makes an individual feel guilty when they know that even if all individuals followed the suggested course of action, it would have a negligible impact.

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    • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oil companies have known this for decades,

      fun fact: BP created the carbon footprint to turn the guilt onto the end consumers, and away from them.

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    • ZMoney@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But please put your plastic in the bin marked plastic.

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      • sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        recyclingcenternear.me/7-types-of-plastic-explain…

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        Which of the 7 different kinds of plastic go in which bins?

        Are the labels on the plastic even correct? Do they even exist at all?

        Does your local recycling / garbage take away service specify?

        Does the processing center they are taken to actually bother to seperate them?

        Has any of your plastic waste touched food, or touched other plastic that has touched food?

        If so, its probably considered contaminated and unrecycleable, and is just put into a landfill, as it would take a lot of time and effort to sanitize it.

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    • easily3667@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Lol at “landfill” being different from “dumped into nature” in your brain

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      • sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A proper landfill is a set aside, contained area, that has systems in place for things like managing pollutants from leaking into the water table, keeping people and animals away from it so as to not infect themselves, monitoring the temperature and emmissions of the landfill, etc.

        They aren’t all so advanced or well staffed, but a whole lot of landfills are, and they are better for the environment and human and animal populations than just letting trash pile up everywhere, willy nilly.

        They obviously are not perfect, but they are certainly bettwr than nothing.

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    • criitz@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      From my understanding, this is basically the case for all recycling aside from aluminum and glass

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  • HungryJerboa@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But aside from donating to NGOs dedicated to cleaning up ocean litter, the average person has very little way to reduce the number of plastic nets in the water. It requires lifting fishermen out of poverty, teaching them more sustainable fishing practices, and cracking down on littering, all things that require international cooperation.

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    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It requires lifting fishermen out of poverty

      Bruh. These aren’t 1 dude in a boat with a long line. These are billion dollar corporations running fleets. And yes, we need international cooperation to bring them to heel. Like with farmers, however, make no mistake that the people doing this kind of pollution are at all ignorant or unaware of what they are doing.

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      • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Even the adrenaline junkies on Deadliest Catch are running multiple million dollar businesses

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    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      the average person has very little way to reduce the number of plastic nets in the water

      Besides the obvious and 100% viable option of just not eating fish.

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The average person cannot make the connection between the food they eat and the animal it was. People act so appalled by the torturous conditions in animal farms, and then stop at McDonald’s on their lunch break to pick up some chicken nuggets, totally unaware of the irony

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      • seathru@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Now I feel better about my weird dietary preferences.

        I’m doing my part!

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      • someacnt@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah eating fish is not sustainable, especially considering how global fish population is dropping rapidly. Sadly, my dad loves fish…

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      • nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        have you tried that?

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    • then_three_more@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Or organise a boycott on eating fish.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You could go the rest of your life without eating another fish and you would be fine.

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  • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    On an unrelated notes, a huge fraction of oceanic microplastics is from car tyres. Driving is a number one source of oceanic microplastic.

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    • rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Car tyres are also significant contributors to terrestial microplastics and particulate matter!

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      • badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Since this is a science community, can I ask what studies directly link these microplastics to the specific adverse affects?

        I see a lot of “BPA microplastics are hormone disruptors” and “microplastics found in placentas!” Etc … ok, but are they the same microplastics in these studies?

        It sounds like when everyone puts scarequotes around “chemicasl”…

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    • queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And bad news: electric cars, being heavier, emit more microplastics.

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      • Verat@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        tbf they are only heavier because they are making them SUVs instead of coupes or sedans and trying to convince people that a 150 mile range isnt long enough for them as if they wont just plug it back in when they get home or as if they actually commute 75 miles each way. Electric vehicles have the potential to be the same weight or lighter but car companies all suck.

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  • FiskFisk33@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I am all for minimizing/eliminating single use plastics. But when i get served a milkshake in a plastic mug, with a plastic lid, and a plastic spoon, but a paper straw because of “save the sea”…

    i just wish we used our brains more.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What if dispenser machines had a pay by volume model? You bring your own thing, they fill it, and charge you by how much you use. Would probably need something added to measure flow and set prices, but it’s not like a McDonalds built in the 70s is still using exactly the same machines they were back then.

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      • cybersin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Gas pump style soda fountains would be absolutely hilarious. Truly the peak of american culture.

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      • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Could just do it by weight. Out vessel under nozzle. Zero scale, and hold till weight determined for sale, hand to customer. Could likely even have software do it.

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    • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you saw how much plastic is used to get that paper straw to you (logistics) you would just drink from the cup

      Also paper cups are lined with plastic to stop the drink from running through it, metal cans are lined with plastic to prevent a metallic taste

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      • FiskFisk33@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh, i don’t prefer using it anyway, it got served with it already in.

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    • epicstove@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly how much more expensive would glass mugs/cups be? Like A&W Canada will give you a chilled mug for root beer (and other drinks but the root beer is iconic)

      If it’s to go then then paper cups are fine. The paper straws are just annoying…

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  • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just stop eating fish.

    No need for nets.

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    • aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      stop eating all animals tbh.

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      • jaschen@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Checked the username, can confirm. Very annoying.

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    • TapatioOnEverythin@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, that would inconvenience me. I would prefer to virtue signal. /s

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    • nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      did you try that?

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      • x00z@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There was no trying. I just did it.

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      • Soulcreator@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes. Yes I did.

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  • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The worst thing about paper straws is seeing it poked through a plastic lid.

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    • someacnt@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Noticed the same thing, how can one be concerned about the plastic straws but not the cups? I almost thought that was the joke.

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      • easily3667@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How is called virtue signaling

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    • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Cool thing is that here in Copenhagen a lot of privately owned places now also use cardboard lids. As someone who delivers food for a living, I’m also happy about the change because cardboard lids have far more fiction and don’t pop off as easily when transporting.

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  • 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But what if we pass the responsibility down to the consumer instead of dealing with industrial waste that’s often more of a matter of cost than practicality?

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then I won’t get reelected.

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      • 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You can call yourself God emperor and have Facebook shovel your bullshit into everyone’s face, that seems to work.

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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    to be fair that was a regulator decision. they seem to have went for the low hanging fruit of something relatively easy to replace without impacting the bottom line.

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    • Ultraviolet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My conspiracy theory is it was chosen to deliberately harm the optics of environmentalists. Something with minimal useful impact and maximum inconvenience would turn people against the whole idea of environmentally friendly alternatives.

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      • syreus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I see a lot of people who share your opinion. I used to work rehabbing sea turtles and EVERY turtle we received alive or dead had straws/bags in their gut. It might not seem super important but those products look more like jellyfish and turtles have poor eyesight.

        The nets commercial fishing boats make the most plastic waste by a lot but declining a plastic straw and bringing your own bag to shop WILL save a life.

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      • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        thats not something i do not shy away from. those fucks are that manipulative.

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    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it’s also a product of the guy on the left likely has never used and will never use a fishing net. It’s kind of like the tarrifs on Canada. America wasn’t ever complaining that drugs were being trafficked over the the Canadian border but that is the reason they are giving for the tarrifs. The truth I see is one of the highest imports from Canada to the U.S. is Aluminum. Coke already stated if Aluminum costs go up, they will simply make more of their products in plastic bottles instead to keep their costs down. Those plastic bottles are made from petroleum which funds much of the GOP’s campaigns. He is simply paying back oil executives by ensuring aluminum prices rise. Cokes profits stay the same, Oil companies profits go up. Where does the money come from? Working class Americans

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      • cybersin@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think it’s also a product of the guy on the left likely has never used and will never use a fishing net.

        What? This an absolutely absurd assertion. Fishing cooperatives are incredibly common. Find one near* you and go inside.

        Also, who do you think are the ones cleaning up the mess, actually cutting the nets off, and doing the research? It’s not the guy trying to max out his investment portfolio, that’s for sure.

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        As much as I’d like a valid reason to shit on the Republican government (and there are many), this is not one of them.

        Borders arw closing because globalization is declining world-wide. That has to do with reduced growth and progress, and is not due to the whims of a politician. The borders have been closed before the 20th century; what makes you believe that “borders open” is an invariable and ultimate truth? If that were really so, why weren’t global borders so open before the 20th century?

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  • rainerloeten@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why not both?

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  • Klnsfw@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-16529-0

    It’s more like at the first place, with 26% of the mass. Majority doesn’t mean “half of”.

    Nevertheless, even if the fishing industry produced no plastic pollution, it would still destroy the ecosystems directly and indirectly (breaking the food chains by fishing tons of krill and small fish to feed the farms)

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  • alottachairs@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe stop killing fish and fish will not die as much

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  • Wigners_friend@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If only seals could understand neil-liberal individualism. Neil has to be a dick or he can’t express his nonexistent personality via mindless consumption.

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  • TheAristocrat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    youtube.com/@oceanconservationnamibia?si=5U8QROwI…

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  • dumbass@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The obvious solution is netting made out of a dissolvable material!

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  • anonymous111@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    duckduckgo.com/?q=plastic+straw+through+turtle&t=…

    Disgrace

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  • Wav_function@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    youtube.com/shorts/Ug6py7PoHR8?si=JB4gsyGKnCortIK…

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  • ulterno@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    nets serving their purpose long after EOL, except noone is being served.

    I wish modern day electronics did as well and they could serve someone.

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