If I was a secret immortal how long could I keep the same US ID for before I get taken away for study. I'm thinking 150 years.

Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Remotedeck@discuss.tchncs.de⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

It’s not like there are people checking for immortals, I think it would be flagged by a dmv employee or something when they dont believe a clear 21 year old is actually 150. Let’s assume it’s current day im caught and not bring speculation on what the US is like in the year 2139 is like.

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LesserAbe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
When your id says you’re 100 and you look 21 it’s going to cause issues.

You want to get away from ever needing an ID. The wealth you gain from compounding interest should allow you to hire accounting experts who will handle your transactions and hide your wealth among shell companies. I think once or twice you could go with the “this is my child, me Jr” routine, but eventually you need to have some kind of emissary who conducts business on your behalf while you cycle through fraudulent ids and move around every 20-30 years.

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- lurch@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  When your id says you’re 100 and you look 21 it’s going to cause issues.
  
  You can use this to your advantage, by claiming it’s some sort of annoying mixup and it happened before. You can use this to sneak new info into the system when they need your help correcting the obvious mistake that you’re not 100 and get your dates reset.
  
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  - RegalPotoo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    …
    
    So awhile ago I worked on a system that moved education records between 2 different systems at a university. It kept choking on one particular record; turns out the date of birth was in 1499, and MSSQL won’t store dates from before the start of the Gregorian calendar unless you specifically configure it to do so.
    
    We sent a request through to have the record corrected - clearly someone has just typoed 1949 - and moved on, but maybe…
    
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- Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’d be cruel to the people around me, but I do rather like the idea of starting over every 30 years or so, your could try out so many different paths.
  
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  - bitwaba@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s a typing speed problem. The left hand hitting the 4 was too slow/the right hand jumped the gun on typing the first 9.
    
    So, definitely aliens.
    
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  - stoly@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yep. Learn every trade. Earn every doctorate.
    
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- stoly@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I figure that you are wealthy by this point and your lawyer has all your records. They’d be able to establish and maintain your identity in some way.
  
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Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If your goal is to avoid that, and you look 21 permanently a la Highlander, you probably want to get new one every thirty years or so, starting over as a “runaway teen” or “refugee” who lacks identity documents with a nominal age of fifteen.

Or just commit identity theft. That one you could probably do once a decade, or more; just keep a running file of unsolved disappearances of children and teens and pull another one out whenever the age more-or-less fits.

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- partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Or just commit identity theft. That one you could probably do once a decade, or more; just keep a running file of unsolved disappearances of children and teens and pull another one out whenever the age more-or-less fits.
  
  Continue having children throughout your immortality every 20 years or so. Make sure you have an child of the gender equal to your own, and on their 21st birthday, you switch identities with them. You sit for their picture on their newly issued ID on their 21st birthday, and suddenly its your picture that is the one of record for the legal 21 year old. Your child takes over you identity, grows old, and dies. Repeat ad infinitum.
  
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  - FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Continue having children throughout your immortality every 20 years or so. Make sure you have an child of the gender equal to your own, and on their 21st birthday, you switch identities with them. You sit for their picture on their newly issued ID on their 21st birthday, and suddenly its your picture that is the one of record for the legal 21 year old. Your child takes over you identity, grows old, and dies. Repeat ad infinitum.
    
    what happens when the child is immortal too?
    
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  - jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Seems like you’ve given this some thought.
    
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- RustyShackleford@literature.cafe ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  As someone who isn’t an immortal Highlander, this works.
  
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  - swab148@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That sounds exactly like something an immortal Highlander would say
    
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- acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  we’re already almost at the point where biometric tech will make all that irrelevant. to really fly under the radar in the future you’re gonna need to hack security systems and erase your data every so often.
  
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  - superkret@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Or remodel your face
    
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- FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  So, what I would likely do, is go to a country with somewhat easy-to-bribe officials, get a new identity made there; Then get a degree as an OBGYN and slip false names into their system.
  
  you can then re immigrate to wherever, get a somewhat corrupt doctor to keep the “family” running so you get new identities that don’t involve taking over actual people’s identities.
  
  depending on how careful you want to get, you’d have to then generate fake histories with residences, and eventually careers, but given the ability to compound inordinate wealth; it wouldn’t be too hard.
  
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- philpo@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  But you would need to check VERY closely who you are having children with.
  
  That 21 year old you are putting a bun in the oven might be your granddaughter.
  
  That would be immoral,even on a highlander scale.
  
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- lando55@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What if this is the only reason people commit identity theft? There could be millions of immortals out there, just trying to get by.
  
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JesusSon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I was watching this real-life documentary called Highlander about this dude Connor McCloud of the Clan McCloud. He is immortal, but he has to sword-fight people because if he gets his head chopped off, he isn’t immortal anymore. Anywho dude changes names every time someone gets too close. There was also a TV documentary by the same name about his cousin Duncan. Duncan is a bit more loose with it but they pack up and move around a lot. You should check it out, not Highlander 2, though; you can skip that one.

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- lando55@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  He is immortal; he has inside him blood of Kings; he has no rival (except when he does); no man can be his equal.
  
  That song got me super amped (still does tbh)
  
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  - JesusSon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I am not going to lie, the movies and the TV series were my jammalam for a whole minute. Princes of the Universe is a mainstay in my classic rock playlist.
    
    Also, how can you not love a blind Frenchman playing an immortal Scottish swordsman trained by a Scottish man playing a Spaniard?
    
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- chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Highlander 2 is cocaine’s masterwork.
  
  Magical immortality? Fuck that - now they’re aliens. And Connor is a scientist who saved the planet with a space shield. But the space shield isn’t actually necessary. And killing another alien will make him young again. And Sean Connery can be revived by yelling his name. Oh, and he can make a ball of energy from his hands to hold up a fan blade, but it’ll cost his life, I guess?
  
  There can’t have been a single sober person involved in that production.
  
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  - JesusSon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Brother, have you seen The Source?
    
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  - Hobo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’m not entirely convinced that Highlander 2 wasn’t written on the back of the same straw wrapper they used to write Gremlins 2.
    
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deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“Oh, you must be thinking of my grandfather, we have the same birthday”

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- AndrewZabar@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  And the same social security number. It’s a weird genetic thing ;-)
  
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NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

when they dont believe a clear 21 year old is actually 150.

This happens much sooner. You have any ticket, anywhere (bus, flight, stadium, speeding…) and sometimes they would check your face with your written age for plausibility.

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- Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Surgery nowadays is top notch eh!
  
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ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The oldest person on record died at 122, and there’s reason to think that there was fraud involved and she wasn’t actually that old. By the time you were in your hundred-and-teens, you would have attention from scientists even if you looked your age. They wouldn’t be forcing you to undergo medical testing if you didn’t want to, but I think they would resort to force sometime in your hundred-and-twenties. If you didn’t look your age, you’d have attention much sooner than that but people would think you stole someone’s identity (that’s what they think the 122-year-old person might have done) and not that you were immortal.

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- frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  FWIW, scientists who study supercentarians think Jeanne Calment was legit. She answered some extremely detailed historical questions about the history of her village.
  
  That said, most supercentarian claims probably are bogus. They often come from areas that had bad recordkeeping a century ago, had their records offices bombed out during a war, or are generally well known for pension fraud. They’re often very poor areas that tend to have a low life expectancy, and it’s very strange that a real supercentarian would pop up there.
  
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  - AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    When does supercentarian hit? 100 or 110? Most of my ancestors (grandparents and older, my parents are in their 80s and still kicking) lived to be over 100, Great Aunt Mary made it to 111 or 112. Only one so far that died early was my mom’s dad, and he made it to 92.
    
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elmicha@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Btw there’s a movie about that: The Age of Adaline.

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- blubfisch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I can recommend the movie “the man from earth” on the topic. I think he switches identities every 20 years or so…
  
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  - FunnyUsername@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Isn’t he Jesus in that movie? Is just immortal? Tbh i dunno i don’t believe in magic
    
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  - swab148@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Plus, Wilford Brimley
    
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dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
There’s a movie about this:

The Man From Earth

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Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
ah, you can pretty much go on and nobody will ever notice… ah, you emant inmortal, i thought you said inmoral… nvm

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j4k3@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It would be very easy. There are many places where money is all you need. Living in a shithole like the USA is the last place you want to be. Go anywhere you find Russian oligarchs or their kids. There are many micro nations that would gladly let anyone print any name they would like for a fee.

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- frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Calling the US a “shit hole” because it’s hard to commit identity theft is odd.
  
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  - WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah, there isn’t even a need to move if you are American. Just start a religion based on your immortality, run for elected office, and then the whole system will be so confused that they’ll let you thrive as an immortal deity forever.
    
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  - HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    it’s not hard to commit identity theft in the US. people are just stupid about it.
    
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AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The circumstances where you’d be most likely to run into issues is where age plays an active role—e.g., Social Security or insurance. But those are probably avoidable if you’re careful. For anyone else where the date of birth wasn’t relevant to their job, they’d probably just ignore it or assume it was a typo.

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finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
You’re looking at frequent IRS Audits and verification requests from Social Security and what not, but TBH if those people keep their mouths shut and you don’t tell anybody you’ll probably never get taken away in most developed nations.

The thing about it is you’d have a difficult time convincing anybody you’re really that age, and the companies that are capable of studying you aren’t actually competent.

You’re more likely to just get deported somewhere at random.

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- Remotedeck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I appreciate your answer
  
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Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
21 in the ID? I hope you don’t like going anywhere. You’re going to get flagged either at 65 when someone tries to apply a senior discount in person or whenever they ask your date of birth for beer and you’re supposed to be on the back end of 40.

If you show yourself to age to that timeless look you can probably get to 75 before anyone even gets suspicious.

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MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
People always say they would get a new identity but never how

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- finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Buy an infant mortality’s birth certificate every decade and put them into use once the poor tike would have hit 25.
  
  It helps to be in a profession that processes death certification so you can make sure it doesn’t get processed.
  
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- bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Crime mostly.
  
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  - pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah you can pay a bunch of money to shady people who did some identify theft stuff to get the ID.
    
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figjam@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Why keep the same identity instead of assuming a new one every60 years?

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- dnick@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Isn’t that just a different way of answering the question though? Do you think 60 years is the answer but don’t want to say that?
  
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  - figjam@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    60 years is within the reasonable lifespan of a human whereas 150 is not.
    
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- JamesTBagg@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  How? I mean, it’s just so easy to get a new ID, birth certificate, social security number, credit history, etc. You just assume a new one.
  
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muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Thats an interesting one if u happen to have happened upon a path to immortality lmk with that power i can help you rule the world. Forever.

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- AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Why would you want to rule the world? That hasn’t gone well for anyone that has attempted it, and just because you don’t age doesn’t mean you are bulletproof or explosives proof.
  
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  - itsralC@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    That’s why you play the puppeteer
    
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Death_Equity@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Just explain it with preaching the miracle effect that fecal masks have had on your signs of aging.

Get those mortal idiots to rub shit on their faces.

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