Also William Gibson wrote about foiling facial recognition with makeup over thirty years ago.
A future sci-fi writers never could've imagined
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confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Also i think in Spook Country (but i’m not sure) he makes them use a t-shirt with an “ugly face” which is designed to disable facial recognition.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Also Judge Dredd has clown folk who are essentially juggalos.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Some years ago, Pussy Riot put out information on how to use Makeup to confound face detection algorithms.
On an unrelated note: This is probably going to be blocked in ML because I used the word “pussy”. I wonder why that instance has a problem with me mentioning that word. Could it be perhaps the name of a feminist anarchist group activity resisting domestic Russian oppression? No, I’m sure that’s a coincidence.
problembasedperson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
No, it’s because there’s no sex in the USSR.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 months ago
AFAIK .ml doesn’t automatically block comments containing slurs, they only automatically block slurs from being posted by their own users.
Monstera@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
I think it’s being rendered to us, let me test one that I know is on the filter:
removed
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
I’m on ML and can read your comment without a problem. Let’s see if I can type it.
Pussy Riot
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
I’m surprised! Good to know, ty.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
says Pussy riot in the mirror 3 times as the clock strikes midnight
nervously waits
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 months ago
Yeah, .ml blocks all words potentially used as slurs so people don’t mention one band, lol
joe_cool@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Not true. Here is the regex doing the blocking:
slur_filter_regex: lemmy.ml/api/v3/siteIt’s not exactly secret.
lauha@lemmy.one 5 months ago
Turns out animals’ camouflage including background matching, disruptive coloration, shadow elimination, counter shading, counter illumination and others are there to prevent optical recognition.
jj4211@lemmy.world 5 months ago
What we didn’t know was that Zebras evolved to defeat AI comera recognition.
Venator@lemmy.nz 5 months ago
You’ll also need a silly walk to defeat gait recognition
jj4211@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Well that’s why they set up a ministry to manage the silly walks, to make sure they complied with gait recognition before they were used.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Maybe the whole point of Monty Python was to sketch out ways that humans could behave that would confuse and hugely thrown off machine learning algorithms.
Talk about “poisoning the well” with AI training, all you have to do is 65% make completely normal and rational intelligent choices and the other 35% be completely illogical and inscrutable. Any algorithm trained on you then, no matter how smart you are or how valuable your knowledge is, will be totally batshit crazy and unreliable. :)
I would say maybe John Cleese is an alien trying to save us, but Cleese is a dick and I would hope Aliens were much more open minded than he is.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 months ago
Bonus: Also helps avoid detection by sandworms.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Walk without rhythm.
It won’t attract the worm
dojan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m sure this could be negated with flowy clothing that contains adversarial patterns. At least for a while.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Like a big, flowy skirt that has a bunch of legs all over it
onion@feddit.de 5 months ago
cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee 5 months ago
I met a juggalo once and he was a racist Trump supporter who steal scrap metal from construction sites for meth money.
ZeroCool@vger.social 5 months ago
That sucks. I worked with a few when I was younger and knew a couple others in high school too, and my experience was the opposite. They weren’t exactly Rhodes scholars lol, but they were open-minded, kind, and dependable colleagues. Juggalos have a reputation for being trashy, and it’s something they proudly embrace, but I’ve found them to be generally harmless. I think just about every fan base these days has to deal with its share of racist Trump supporters who steal scrap metal from construction sites for meth money…
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 5 months ago
My buddy and I were just talking about this. Juggalos get a lot of shit, but my experience is that they are one of the most accepting groups around. It doesn’t matter if you’re a PhD or are stealing copper out of abandoned houses, if you show up with some clown makeup and fire poi, juggalos are down to clown.
nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 5 months ago
all I know about juggalos is that magnet meme and this episode of tv
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Unfortuantely, I think just about every fan base these days has to deal with its share of racist Trump supporters who steal scrap metal from construction sites for meth money…
If you live in the US (or UK) you live in a collapsing society being suffocated and held in place by neoliberal austerity politics that purposefully shuts down the possibility of any genuine systematic reform that isn’t in the direction of fascism.
In that environment people are going to resort to taking meth and stealing scrap to survive, as society is literally trying to kill them and there is no rational hope to be found for things to change. Are these people druggies, are they sketchy? Are some of them maga heads? Yes, but I think it is important to always recognize the conditions that lead desperate people to act in desperate ways when we discuss the repulsiveness of said desperate acts of non-violent crime.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Chiming in with another juggalo friend who was an incredibly good hearted person. Ended up going to jail for “assaulting an officer” by trying to pull a cop off of someone during the George Floyd protests. I lost touch after that.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
sigh meanwhile the cop has still got a cushy job and probably goes home every night to get drunk and hit their spouse because that is statistically as far as we can tell what 25-45% of cops do based on difficult to predict statistics that rely on cops snitching on their own illegal behavior (so logically it is probably much higher as hard as that is to wrap your head around).
ShankShill@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 5 months ago
That’s not doing facial recognition though, that’s a reverse image lookup. It’s a lot easier to find an exact match for a photo.
ZeroCool@vger.social 5 months ago
Shhhh they think they’ve outsmarted the shitpost. Let’s just let ‘em have this one. They could probably use the win.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Exploitable
Replace top clown with normal person to show it finding that Juggalo
(Apparently that’s Violent J, next to his buddy… Shaggy 2 Dope)
jj4211@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I presume the facial recognition would be trying to match against faces without the makeup.
If you always use the same makeup pattern, then I guess it can latch onto that like anything else, if trained to do so.
Also note that facial recognition tries to break down a face into discrete “pieces” so it can match a face in profile against the same face from the front. In your example the image is visually similar because they are both exactly the same angle, no ‘facial recognition’ involved. If it can’t figure out what a cheekbone is, what a nose is, generally what a ‘face’ is, then that would count as fouling the facial recognition because it would be unable to use a reference facial database.
Yggnar@lemmy.world 5 months ago
SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
I mean it’s close. The Cyberpunk ttrpg was released in '88 and ICP’s first album dropped in '89.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
To some degree or another, all of them were insane, with about a third of them firmly in the grip of cyberpsychosis.
Wow! So, they really are an insane clown posse.
p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 5 months ago
As an enjoyer of most of icp, this makes me laugh.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 months ago
YO WERE MY DARK CARNIVAL INVERTEBROTHERS AT
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Bring back the Juggalos! I’ve been saying it for years. We need them now more than ever.
p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s nice being able to see people talk about icp like this thread without being nasty about it tbh
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’m not a fan of the music, but I’d rather be surrounded by authentically deranged weirdos than an endless sea of yuppies.
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Love the worst band in the world, fam.
If nothing else, they’re an inspiration for just doing your own thing artistically. Fuck the critics, just make some shit you’re passionate about, make it available to find its audience, and connect/bring in other folks who want to do the same.
IMO, they created/solidifed an entire genre of music, and some of it’s better than what they put out (for example,I like Twiztid more - but they wouldn’t be what they are if it wasn’t for ICP and Psychopathic Records)
Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 5 months ago
They never left…
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Around where I am you don’t see them much anymore. I think between the Fentanyl and the COVID they got hit hard.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Incoming novel featuring Dazzle camo face paint
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
goddamn you, i was going to make a joke about this, now i’m legally required to be mad at you for it!
pkmkdz@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
!noncredibledefense@sh.itjust.works
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Abracadabra boom shacka dae I’m Violent J, and I’m back like a vertebrae
nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 5 months ago
vertebra is the singular form of vertebrae
which does not rhyme with day but rather dee or die
don@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Huh, the tweet the article referenced is five years old, I wonder if there’s been any advancement in facial recognition in that regard
hellfire103@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Last I heard, the CCP did a bit of social engineering and got a load of TikTokkers to post videos in juggalo makeup in order to retrain their facial recognition software.
I don’t recall if it was successful, but it happened.
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 months ago
WE’VE GOT A THEORY
ABOUT MAGIC
AND MIRACLES
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The Machine can never take our Fago. Woop woop.
Beanedwizard@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I’ll pass. Violent J is a huge nonce
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Honestly other than just extrapolating out what technologies will facilitate the rise of dystopias (while being weirdly obsessed with the aesthetics of dystopias to the point of it being dysfunctional to the objectives of the narrative and fiction) what have sci-fi writers actually meaningfully imagined about the future in the western canon?
For all the mountains and mountains of sci-fi books and tv shows written I am not sure there is actually much to show for it except endless descriptions of how colonization, war and authoritarian power will be facilitated by future technologies (in a way that superficially claims to be subversive but is really just technology porn politics be damned).
onion@feddit.de 5 months ago
Have you checked out Stanislaw Lem? Solaris is pretty interesting
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Batman Beyond knew.
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Fucking magnets. How do they work?
Allero@lemmy.today 5 months ago
That’s how the Juggernaut collective started
Etterra@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I hate this so much.
Sorgan71@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Reverse transmission had this
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 months ago
No I can’t unsee Henry Rollins with Juggalo makeup in Johnny Mnemonic
egeres@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The closes to this I can remember rn was the movie oblivion, where humans used masks to distort their voice? Not sure about the logic behind that, pretty sweet visuals tho, the UI design was sick
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Bozos
Rolando@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Also akira.fandom.com/wiki/The_Clowns
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
It seems that,
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Additionally: Los Payasos
Brutticus@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Shadowrun also has the halloweeners
Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 5 months ago
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ieatpwns@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Also
batman.fandom.com/wiki/Jokerz
p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yo that’s actually pretty metal
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 months ago
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