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You do realize these are two separate groups of mods for each sub right?
There is no monolithic “Lemmy Mods” or even “Lemmy Admins”.
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Submitted 7 months ago by MilitantVegan@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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ccunning@lemmy.world 7 months ago
spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 months ago
yes. and the rest of this comment section is so toxic for seemingly no reason?
it’s totally valid for two separare subs to each have their own windows of acceptable content that also happen to have a gap between them. there is no requirement that !memes@lemmy.world and !politicalmemes@lemmy.world perfectly collaborate such that they airtight cover every possible meme bar none.* honestly i applaud them for having a vision for content standards and sticking to them.
this is an unfortunate, while slightly comedic, situation, but OP should just post the meme to !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world (or 196; basically anywhere with a low barrier to entry) and/or create or find their own community that caters to the content they want to post.
*i mean they can do that if they want, it would be cool, it’s just not required.
zakobjoa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What’s with the vegan hate? Leave that shit at Reddit.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Nobody really hates vegans specifically, idgaf what you eat. But when they go holier-than-thou about my choice of calories I’m gonna block.
Mr. Militant is an obvious troll account and shouldn’t be taken seriously
intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 months ago
is an obvious troll account
is an extremely common tactic for silencing a voice.
You block who you want. Don’t try to affect my block list.
DrCester@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Something y’all need to realise is that commenting “Abusing animals is literally H*tler and you should be publicly executed for eating a chickenburger” is not going to turn someone vegan. Go look for smarter ways, god damn it.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
And something y’all need to realise that 90% of vegans don’t think like that.
dingus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Read OP’s comments. OP does think like that which is exactly the problem.
I come here for the memes, not to be berated for being an “animal abuser”. Memes are supposed to be lighthearted.
I have no problem with vegans. I have problems with militant vegans like OP. Just like I have a problem with anyone trying to radically shove their beliefs down my throat, no matter what topic it might involve.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 7 months ago
90% of the vegans I encounter are the preachy ones making posts online. The vegans that aren’t like that don’t usually shout about being vegan.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
The ones that do are really fucking loud and make the rest of you look bad. I’m in the same boat, being an atheist.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I imagine that 90% aren’t getting their memes deleted.
DrCester@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Oh, trust me, I know
Nevoic@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I’ve never understood why vegans, the ones the vast majority agree are doing something at least good (even if you don’t understand it’s a moral obligation), are the ones that have to cater to the genocidal masses.
Stop and think for a second, imagine you live in a wild, wild world where the vegan position is actually correct. Imagine that you’re a vegan, and those around you are actually supporting an unjustified animal holocaust. Then think about how your critique of vegans comes off. It’s the genocidal maniacs complaining about how they’re treated unfairly on the internet because sometimes someone attacks their delicate sensibilities.
It’s not my responsibility to engage with you in such a way that makes you a better person. Your own failings are your own, and my failings are my own. My failings are I sometimes make someone on the internet a bit sad, and yours are demanding tens of billions of animal deaths every year, a quantitative level of suffering we’ve never seen before.
tim-clark@kbin.social 7 months ago
Weak argument while standing on your subjective high ground, morality is a compass. Forcing people to follow your values is in most peoples view is immoral. Veganism is cult trying to shame people and scream at them for being wrong. No different than a religion trying to force their morals on you. Also trying to force people to a specific diet is wrong, that is not taking into account individuals health.
dingus@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Just stop and think for a second. We’re talking about posting in meme communities. Meme communities are for lighthearted jokes, not radical and serious discussions.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Because acting like a self righteous douchebag turns people off and hurts your movement. That’s counterproductive.
tomi000@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Isnt that what literally happens everywhere all the time in different context? ‘arabs beat their wives they are evil’, ‘indigenous people take halucinogenic drugs they are evil’, ‘russians kill and rape civilians they are evil’. Usually it is the strong that force their beliefs on the minorities, fortunately you cant force people to eat meat by law.
FQQD@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 7 months ago
I can get behind being vegan, but something I can’t get behind is people annoying the crap out of others for not being vegan. Leaves a bad taste for the whole vegan community
zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 7 months ago
Yeah, causing other beings suffering is a jerk thing to do.
amzd@kbin.social 7 months ago
Well the animals can’t ask you to stop abusing them themselves so someone has to speak up
Norgur@fedia.io 7 months ago
Where's the shirt from that you are wearing? Who built the device you are using to post here?
Where did the aluminum that's used in your bike come from? Who dug it up?
Why aren't you speaking for those people as well? Are you fine with having those clothes and the neat devices? If so,what makes those workers less worthy of "speaking up" than say dairy cows?
Thing is: there is so much abuse and exploitation going around on this world, one person cannot go against all of it, sadly. Everyone will have a different focus which sort of abuse they go against. Be it child abuse, worker exploitation, what have you.
You can blame people for not trying to better the world at all, but reserving the right to determine which wrong deserves the most attention and judging people for not following you is arrogant.
MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What leaves a bad taste for the vegan community is when a vegan tries to coddle carnists because they’re afraid of not fitting in. Animal abuse is shameful, and people should be confronted and shamed for their abuses.
TheDoozer@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I get what you’re saying, but the reality is if you are trying to do good, it doesn’t matter how “right” you are if you are a dick about it.
Take Doctor Ignaz Semmelweis, for example. He worked hard and found a way to dramatically reduce deaths of women in childbirth (and tons of others besides) by washing hands after autopsies. Instead of trying to convince other doctors and influence the medical culture, he confronted and shamed other doctors, even to the point the doctors who he had gotten to start washing their hands stopped. Could he have caught more flies with honey than vinegar? Probably. But he was right, so what did it matter the method he used?
What mattered is hand-washing didn’t get adopted. But I’m sure being right offered him some comfort when he was dying of sepsis in a mental asylum. Not to mention the women who died of infection.
The point is, do you want to Be Right, or do you want to do good? Because all this makes it sound like you want to Be Right.
stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Veganism is like religion. As long as you keep it to yourself I couldn’t care less. But if you make it your personality or proselytize about it then I’ll probably think it’s fun to make fun of your whole thing.
orphiebaby@lemm.ee 7 months ago
[deleted]naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I don’t think you’re evil. I think that like almost all vegans you were raised to be complicit in an evil system. You were fed propaganda, discouraged from questioning norms, had behaviours reenforced as wholesome and good from before you were even a conscious person.
I think you’re wrong, I think what you do is deeply harmful, I don’t have any respect for hiding from the truth, refusing to engage, and bad faith replies but I don’t think you’re evil.
Was every man who denied women votes evil? everyone involved in every war of aggression? every slaver that ever was? every bureaucrat of empire? They were wrong, selfish, engaged in motivate reasoning, and harmful. Some were probably evil, most were probably a little lazy or a little stupid. Unfortunately that’s all atrocity takes.
Kacarott@feddit.de 7 months ago
In seriousness, the reason people try spread vegan ideas is the exact same reason people try spread their political ideas: because they believe there is injustice in the world which they are trying to help fix.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Yeah, just like other kinds of animal abuse. I can’t stand anyone who speaks out against puppy mill, dog fighting, killing race horses, elephants in circuses, bear bile farming, the fur trade, poaching etc.
Like get a fucking life, they’re just there to be used. If you want to be some goody two shoes and give a shit about orangutans or whatever fine, be a stupid Puritan but don’t you dare try and stop me from setting up monkey knife fights.
Salzkrebs@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Thing is, most people WOULD CARE if I treat a dog, cat, or any other cute animal the same way as dairy/meat industry does. Why doesn’t the “as long as you keep it to yourself” argument count in this case (might not be for you but for most people)?
It’s about philosophy/ethics and not religion.
Kacarott@feddit.de 7 months ago
It’s much more like politics than it is religion. People take a stance because of their values, ethics, mortality, etc (as opposed to religion which is generally a more irrational basis for belief). And the reasons for being loud about it follow from that.
So if you can understand why someone might proselytize about the situation in Gaza, then you should also understand why someone might proselytize for veganism, even if your views might align differently for different issues.
ccunning@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If a topic keeps coming up no matter how much you try to censor it, consider that it’s not going away. Some changes are long overdue.
With a topic so white hot that it can’t be ignored you should consider starting the VeganMemes sub…
MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I don’t like the fact that vegans are always pushed into forming echochambers. Everybody else needs to take a hard look and recognize that maybe not abusing animals isn’t so radical after all.
CluckN@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Lmao Vegans can’t even stand being in a community with other Vegans.
whereBeWaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I dont like the fact that I don’t post anything about my balanced diet but vegans always have to virtue signal their “better ways”
amio@kbin.social 7 months ago
Have you considered maybe your "participation" is just insufferable even if it weren't blatantly bad faith?
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 months ago
Uh oh, you don’t agree with something on the Internet, better delete it
amio@kbin.social 7 months ago
Yeah, bad faith participation is awesome if you have an excuse.
Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
There is no ethical consumption under Capitalism, so jot that down.
crazyminner@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Yes so let’s continue finding the genocide of billions of sentient beings that can feel pain and don’t want to die for your fucking burger.
db2@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Animals all over there earth eat each other constantly, often while the meal is still alive. Grow up.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 months ago
They don’t want to die to be ground up into burger, and they don’t want its opposite either.
A right to life is most appropriate for any conscious being which benefits emotionally from that right. This requires:
- conception of the future
- desire to live
- comprehension of what the possession of a recognized right to life does to the previous two
Floey@lemm.ee 7 months ago
I’m tired of hearing this phrase inappropriately used in such a cynical hedonistic fashion. 90% of the time I hear it, the person is using it as if to say “All consumption under capitalism is equally ethical.” Of course they don’t seriously believe that, but because they aren’t saying what they mean perhaps it allows them to maintain this cognitive dissonance.
People with this mindset would not be useful post revolution without reeducation. Y’all are just jealous of the parasitic class and would not want to make a better world if it were even a minor inconvenience to you. If we simply eat the rich and loot their coffers what we will be left with is a bunch of worthless financial instruments and the reins of the exploitative industry, and we must do more than simply grab those reins and be our own slave drivers.
WamGams@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
While that is true, it ignores the fact that not all consumption is equally unethical.
MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“No ethical consumption under capitalism” says nothing about the abstaining from consumption.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 months ago
Not what that meannnnnnnns someone eat this kulak
Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
I literally don’t eat meat, i just enjoy cheese and butter, the dairy alternatives haven’t caught up to the alternative meats yet. I used to love cooking and eating steak (used to make a mean Steak Diane), but haven’t in years due to how terrible beef farming is for the environment. If I’m given free food that would go to waste without me eating it I’ll eat meat, but only if their is no veggie alternative. There is literally so much fuxking human suffering in the world to care about and mediate before we should spend all our time and energy worrying about animal suffering. If humanity doesnt even have class conciousness, how can you expect it to have the empathetic capacity to care about animal suffering, when it doesnt give a damn aboht human suffering. And yes there is no ethical consumption under Capitalism.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 months ago
There is no ethical consumption under a system that takes resources from people by force. Consent legitimizes economic interaction.
Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I never consented to being born.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Even when you’re right it’s kind of on you to present your message in a way people will be receptive to
MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If someone is being a bigot, should they not be shamed for it? Why should I feel like I have to tip-toe around animal abusers? You’re the one doing the wrong thing. Would you adopt a vegan lifestyle if I presented my message in the way you approved of?
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I’m already a vegetarian, but yeah, I think you can definitely have a shot at converting people if you appeal to their values and don’t attack them personally. I have a buddy who converted after watching a documentary because he’s an enviromentalist and the documentary talked about the environmental harm that comes from the livestock industry.
BCOVertigo@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It seems like you want people to examine their long held beliefs and customs, adopt your view that they are harmful and unethical, and change their behavior to match yours. A change that may have specific hurdles unknown to you for every individual.
Humans, being social animals, don’t typically react with reason to things that they percieve to be antagonistic. They tend to mirror hostility and are most likely to fight or disengage when facing an opponent, and cleave to the safety of the groups that accept them.
Just or not, the act of starting an interaction sets the tone. You’re completely justified in attacking villains and shaming them, but when you throw a devil costume on someone I don’t think you should be surprised when you get pitchforked.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If someone is being a bigot, should they not be shamed for it
Absolutely.
Why should I feel like I have to tip-toe around animal abusers?
Nice of you to use your own bigotry as an example to illustrate what people should be shamed for.
Would you adopt a vegan lifestyle if I presented my message in the way you approved of?
Depends: would I have to adopt the religious fundamentalist level holier than thou bigotry as part of the lifestyle? Because I actually prefer not to be an insufferable ass to those that don’t deserve it.
GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Assuming you’re not trolling, yes. The backfire effect is a proven psychologically studied phenomenon. Arguing at people with facts and logic and aggression tends to reinforce their original beliefs. effectiviology.com/backfire-effect-facts-dont-cha…
Ironically, telling you this will likely not convince you due to said effect.
somewhiteguy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
So, are we hoping this gets deleted as well to keep the tradition alive, or is this hopefully going to change moderation? I’m confused on how to feel about this.
MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m just going to keep posting anti animal abuse content and eventually enough people are going to do the same until it becomes too hard to ignore.
3laws@lemmy.world 7 months ago
No. You’re delusional to think that “eventually” is ever going to become reality. Not tomorrow, not in your whole lifetime.
You’re not hard to ignore–actually, you’re pretty easy to ignore at proven by both groups of moderators.
1984@lemmy.today 7 months ago
It’s not hard to ignore. I ignore lots of stuff on Lemmy. There are many topics where there is no point to say what I think since people have strong opinions and won’t change their minds.
With time you will also learn that posting things on social media doesn’t change anyone’s opinion.
ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Veganism is just as political as Linux, and just as annoying when people evangelize it.
loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I use Arch and am vegan. Now that I established my superiority, you are fucking wrong!
CptEnder@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This
femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
I’ll have you know that for the past 16 years of my life i have lived off of nothing but raw puppy and i can now summon lightning, fly, and I have telekinesis
AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Shut the fuck up
MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Not happening. Go vegan.
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Got you tagged as asshole now.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Aren’t there different mods for each community? What was the meme that was deleted?
NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I see this confusion elsewhere. Political can mean both “ripe for ideological arguments that drown out anything else” and “relating to [US] government and political parties”
Its a venn diagram often. But I can see why some communities don’t want the same predictable “vegans are assholes”/“well meat eaters hate the planet” rehashing all the time.
Its so loud and weird I often think it’s astro turfed. I haven’t met an annoying vegan in decades. And most omnivores I know want to eat less meat. It’s a rancorous debate that seems to only exist online.
SattaRIP@kbin.social 7 months ago
Are they the same person?
Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
When I die, feed my body to the animals as payback
lath@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You hate them that much, huh?
quindraco@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Did you post a meme about cow farts contributing to climate change or something?
Etterra@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Veganism isn’t political. It’s just stupid.
rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
just putting this out here. feels like its quite relevant to this comment section.
femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
db2@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Q: How do you know someone is vegan?
A: Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
tim-clark@kbin.social 7 months ago
Vegans = fascists of the food world. Follow my diet or I will harass you.
That is not a good technique to sway people's attitudes
MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If I use a technique that you approve of, will you stop abusing animals?
MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
How do you know an animal abuser is in the room? Don’t worry, they either won’t shut up about bacon, or they’ll make the same bland anti-vegan jokes that were old 20+ years ago.
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
reads username
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tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 7 months ago
These kinds of jokes are only funny if there is a kernel of truth to them. But no one talks about bacon unpromted.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You’re fighting the good fight, don’t worry about the pushback. If you have a choice, regular meat-eating in Western society is one of the most selfish, deluded things a person can do and future generations (if we even make it that far) will look back on those people, myself included, the same way we look at antivaxxers.
frippa@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
😐
rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
hahaha so true, except when its not.