I see no point in trying to pit us against each other. People with normal desk jobs aren’t inherently the problem.
Happy Labor Day!
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countrypunk@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
snoons@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Eh, I’ve worked pretty much all of those jobs and worked on stats; it’s true that these people aren’t the problem, but a lot of them aren’t helping either. They inherently don’t care as long as they’re comfortable.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
They inherently don’t care as long as they’re comfortable.
Isn’t that just humanity?
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Have you ever said ‘Those jobs are never coming back’?
If you have, you’re part of the problem.
gastroglizzy@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
If you punch a clock to pay your bills, you’re working class. Don’t let them turn us against each other.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
So I’m a salaried engineer and can’t be part of the movement?
Elmirador@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If you work in order to actually be able to to live, eat, and have shelter, you are working class.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The double-edged sword of western labor. Your options are:
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Work hourly and get some middle manager rolling dice to see which hours/days you’re scheduled for every week, the day before the timesheet goes out.
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Work salary and get sucked into late night deployments, lunch meetings, and assorted overtime projects you don’t receive pay for.
They catch ya comin’ and they catch ya goin’
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white_nrdy@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
I think their point is we should be part of the movement. Although, IMO we should also recognize that there are definitely chose who have it worse
mEEGal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
while the comment stated A => B, you assumed the reciprocal B => A, thus making you wrong : you absolutely can be a salaried ergineer and be working class
chunk6235@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
What makes you think us salary slaves aren’t working class? I still have to punch a clock every day to get my salary….
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’m bourgeoisie, can I still be part of the movement or do I have to divest first?
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Look to what Engels did. There are plenty of class traitors throughout history.
Deme@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Do you make enough from those investments to live off of them? If not, you’re not bourgeoisie.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, by the very definition you are cosplaying as a poor. That might be worse.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Don’t put workers against workers.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Agreed. Unify, don’t divide, everyone who can have the day off should. There’s certain positions they have to keep operating but for them they should get time and a half for so.
CubitOom@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Guess my kid’s elementary school teacher has a fake internet job too.
Deme@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Just using email while also doing something important doesn’t make a job a fake job. Fake jobs are the kind of jobs that society would be fine without. Marketing, sales development, hr. Jobs which exist solely to peddle around useless emails like competitive reviews, social listening reports, messaging matrixes, research debriefs, etc., or responding to such bs in an ever escalating cycle of useless burecracy.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
All teachers do is abuse kids and enable kids to abuse other kids.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Your bad experiences are not universal
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Do your kids have a Chromebook?
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Even if they had, it wouldn’t still be the teacher’s fault; a computer can also be useful for some type of neurodivergent people
CubitOom@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
No
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Office jobs are still jobs. If a business genuinely was wasting vast amounts of money on fake work, then these jobs would be eliminated already. They are gradually being automated away, same as physical labor, but they still exist because they are still important for production.
The target of your ire should not be this or that subsection of the working class, but instead the capitalist class.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A lot of jobs are pure bullshit jobs that only exist because the corporation needed to hire inorder to appear growing. They then do mass firings to appear like they’re cutting costs. It’s all smoke and mirrors for the shareholders.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
That doesn’t make the people filling those roles not working class, in fact it highlights how disposable the working class is to the capitalist class, and further reinforces my point: capitalists are the enemy.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I doubt that. You could do the same thing with fake job postings if you really wanted, and it’s cheaper.
But let’s say you’re right. Those people would still be given lots of work and be busy, because if they were allowed to be not busy everyone else would see and not want to work.
chewypoops@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Americans will attack other workers for minor differences in lifestyle rather than attack their boss for failing to provide basic quality of life in exchange for full time work.
Just like the ruling class wants…
Greymattertripp@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just because our cage is slightly nicer and we get fed slightly better slop doesn’t mean we’re not in this together.
Most of us are sticking with you … the real problem is the 1%
Caesium@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean y’all could stick it to the one percent by forgoing going to the store or eating out on labor day
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That would change absolutely nothing for the 1%.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
PSA, Labour day is the first of may.
WereHacker@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Mayday like the rest of the world
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Weird. It was yesterday in Canada. Funny that.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Yeah the US, Canada, NZ, Australia and Japan are weirdos in that regard.
betelplouf@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The international worker’s day is a holiday in france, so everyone can go protest (or do whatever at home, but there are usually big protests on may 1st)
Brimstone@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
So how is it different to any other day in France? 😅
betelplouf@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Sadly there are no protests everyday (bu( I’d like, that’s so fun to go)
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed.
I don’t celebrate, so this isn’t nostalgia for Christmas magic or whatever.
I just like that it’s a day that no matter what, for the most part, you’re on your own. Forgot to buy groceries? Scrounge the cupboard. Forgot to fill the gas tank? You’re staying home. Faucet leaking? Turn off the water, wash your hands in a different sink, call the plumber(or go to the hardware store) tomorrow. Ain’t NOTHING getting done today.
It’s the only day where the majority of people in areas where the holiday is celebrated, all agree that ain’t nobody doing anything that day.
Granted there’s lots of caveats. Some businesses are open by choice, some by necessity. I used to work at a nursing home, that’s gotta stay open, me and a few coworkers would volunteer to take the holiday shifts.
These days I’m still blue collar, but I do have most big holidays off.
But if you thought some random gas station or grocery store was gonna be open so you can pop in on Christmas? No dice.
Why isn’t labour Day that way?
Areexor@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
In Germany it is thanks to labor unions
Commander_Keen@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Used to be that way in the US. The. We let them dismantle the unions :(
And that’s coming from a proud IBEW member. Remember folks unionize. It’s the only way to get your fair share of the profits.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wish it were like Christmas Day, where almost every business is ACTUALLY closed
Idk about where you live, but a bunch of businesses in Houston will close a little earlier on Christmas Eve and open up at around noon on Christmas Day. Nobody wants to Not Work anymore. Everything has to be open all the time.
hereiamagain@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Northeast US. But that’s a shame about Texas.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Where I grew up if your pipe bursts on Christmas you better hope you can find a Jewish or otherwise non-Christian (cultural or religious) plumber that’s only charging mild holiday markups, because the Christian plumbers ain’t gonna be so charitable (but you can probably get one to come out).
It’s emergency workers only. So yeah you’ve got medical professionals in the ER, folks keeping the water running, and some tradespeople will leave their phone on just in case they get the opportunity to make a very high hourly wage, as well as owner operated businesses that don’t feel like taking the day off (hence the old stereotypes of Jewish people getting Chinese food and watching a movie on Christmas). If it’s not an emergency you’re better off not even checking if anyone’s working.
And I agree that that’s what labor day should be like. In fact, we should have a handful of holidays like that.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Is this some kind of americian thing I’m too free as a candian to worry about? You can still end up working it but it’s overtime by default or paid time off if don’t work it
Fishy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The rest of the world has May 1st.
maturelemontree@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Oh yeah most of those jobs like McDonalds offer no compensation. Labor day is just another day.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Feels like amercia needs to learn the true meaning of labour day
Homo_Erectus@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
My boss handles everyone a chocolate bar
“Thank you guys for yo hard labor. Happy labor day”
Everyone gotta get back to labor
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I didn’t even get anything
dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile everyone in the office upstairs gets platters of free food and drinks while working a half day but getting paid for the full day
binarytobis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My boss’ boss gives everyone a Lindt chocolate on their start date anniversary, which is nice and all but if I WFH for a few days or simply don’t see him for a while, then when he finally gives it to me he says something like “I haven’t seen you around for a while?” and now it looks bad. Keep the chocolate just stop thinking about me.
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So in the US it’s not on may first and you don’t get a paid day off? On labour day?
slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, let’s pit workers against each other, very helpful
DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I got news for you buddy: our “fake email job” Tier One and Senior Technical Support agents were still sending emails and taking calls on Labor Day.
Someone had to because I work for an ISP and some of our customers rely on our service to call 911.
You can come back here and tell me their job is “fake” when you can explain how that’s unimportant and when you’ve sat on a phone trying to help a 60 year old Boomer troubleshoot their internet when all they wanna do is chew you out.
And and I know it’s “just a meme” but it’s a shitty meme that’s reinforcing all this “white collar; blue collar” bullshit to divide the Working Class while billionaires work to get rid of Labor Day altogether. Shame on you for perpetuating that.
beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hey man he’s letting off steam about how his job is more physically demanding yet he gets less pay and benefits while middle class people benefit (even if it’s a little) from this system.
How about you not make it about how you feel and think about the guy working in the rain.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
Both people have valid complaints. Empathy works both ways.
DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I never downplayed how shitty retail/fast food is. I used to work in a fucking Chick-fil-A. I know how shitty it is. But tech support is a different kind of shitty.
Not only is having a shitty day and a shitty job not an excuse to belittle and lash out against people who have nothing to do with it, it actively makes the problem worse by keeping us locked in stupid arguments that get us nowhere instead of standing in solidarity against the people actually responsoble for our jobs being shitty.
So I reiterate: shame on them for perpetuating this cycle instead of putting the blame and their anger where it actually belongs and therefore being part of the problem.
Hegar@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Fake email job is great! I'd not heard that before.
Where i work, all the bosses get the day off and those of us who actually work still have to work.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Fake email job” I guess this is just a weird spin on “office job”?
Deme@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
No, I don’t think so. Just the subset of those which have no value for society and only exist to respond to and perpetuate useless burecracy. Unnecessary middle managers, hr, etc…
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
More of a spin on bullshit job I’d say.
StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
White collar jobs are still jobs. If you have to trade hours of your life to afford the things you need to live you are part of the working class… That’s why it’s called the working class and not the blue collar class.
Gormadt@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
The warehouse I work at gets Labor Day off every year.
Then the week after they basically have the grill going for 5 days straight for Employee Appreciation Week.
It’s pretty nice.
Sometimes.
sanzky@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it’s curious that the US does not observe it in that day since the events that commemorates it happened in Chicago, during a series of protests for a 8 hour work day.
But of course, that is not accident. They put a lot of effort in framing workers’ movements as a communist plot. At one point they even instituted a “loyalty day” on 1st of May to counteract any labour movement.
CADmonkey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ignoring factory and warehouse workers as per usual
OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Lol “working class jobs”
You mean service industry jobs.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are you really going to gatekeep Labor Day, op?
Caesium@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
someone unironically told me yesterday ‘you must be so busy with everyone off!’
I WAS busy, nothing changed on my end compared to every other Monday of the year. which is basically I’m given a job that’s too much for one person, but I struggle to get help so often than even getting my legally required breaks can be like pulling teeth.
anyway I just said ‘except for me! (:’ and she didn’t say anything else after that.
it’s like these people forget that we too are humans working behind the counter. People that are WORKING on LABOR day.
isekaihero@ani.social 2 weeks ago
I was called a essential worker during COVID and had to work every single day but throughout COVID and all this time post-COVID I haven’t gotten a single raise. How can my job be essential but not worth anything?
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Damn, there are a lot of upsetti comments over a shitpost.
As someone with a fake email job that used to work fast food, I didn’t do aaasnnyytthhiinngg on Monday and enjoyed the hell out of it, for my past self’s sake.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Idk the factory shut down for the holiday, just like every factory I’ve ever worked in. Yeah I’m an intellectual laborer, but the folks on the floor doing manufacturing also got the day off
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The slaughterhouse I work at had Labor Day off and then today they told us we’re now gonna be working 6 days a week.
anistorian@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yes, because we unionized. At least I did. With my beer. And my burger.
YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
Anyone who works for a living is part of the working class and bullshit like this only strengthens capitals grip by putting workers against workers.
osanna@lemmy.vg 3 weeks ago
yup. It’s the epstein class we should be guillotining, not each other.
Draegur@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
the epstein class are the ones who have the biggest fakest email-jobs.
wasabi_noir@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
The cunts who works at places like kalshi and such can 100% disappear with zero detriment to society. Those are the fucking fake-ass e-mail jobs, and to act like there’s no difference between some piece of shit pulling barely legal scams and someone in a public service position is fucking stupid.
ivan@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I’ve turned down few job offers in my time because those would have me work on online gambling systems and shit.
I know people who still chose to work in there, whose motivation was something like “If I didn’t scam these people - someone else would have”. And what I think after all that - if person’s job is detrimental to society - this person doesn’t matter, even if they’re working hard, 9-to-5, all that shit.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Remember when covid happened and everyone had to stop working? Well not everyone, just everyone with bullshit jobs.
Everything was basically fine. The only real problems as far as i could tell were that we all thought we were going to die and were scared to go near our grandparents incase we killed them, and some lines stopped going up.
I wish we could do it again, share the “real jobs” out amongst everyone so we only had to work a couple days a week.
criss_cross@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah honestly EVERYONE should be able to enjoy Labor Day.
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Fucking dammit thank you.
I’m glad to see this as the top comment
strop@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Even car production workers?
story@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
yay labor day
Malica@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
👆