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• surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  The problem is that an upvote and a downvote completely lack context.

  Racism is bad: true

  Physical violence is worse than verbal violence IF all else is equal : true

  Therefore…

  Physical racism is worse than verbal racism.

  But physical violence is not necessarily worse than verbal racism. This is why contacts matters.

  And that’s why it’s ok to punch Nazis.

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  • Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes, when I see posts identical to this it’s usually in the context of “left wing antifa violence is more common than right wing violence.” Which makes me wary enough of this post already.

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Reddit votes are about relevance not agreement.

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    • ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      lol

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I dunno. I would often downvote things I thought were stupid. They were relevant, but wrong and dumb.

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    • bountygiver@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That’s how it should be used, but not how most people use.

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• okwhateverdude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  How to spot the racist? They try to draw a distinction here.

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  • running_ragged@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    They just want to make the words acceptable today so they can pre-justify the violence tomorrow.

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    • OwOarchist@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      But then watch them hurry to say that words aren’t acceptable as soon as you mention words like ‘Palestine’ and ‘guillotine’.

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  • nymnympseudonym@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The overlap between edgelords and racists is significant

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    • OwOarchist@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The edgelord circle is almost entirely inside the racist circle.

      There’s only a precarious few edgelords out there who aren’t racist, but there are lots of racists who aren’t edgelords about it.

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  • BurgerBaron@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    While deliberately failing to acknowledge racism leads to violence.

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• yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This is like if someone says “murder is bad.”

  1. Murder is usually defined as an illegal killing. However, many legal killings are bad and many illegal killings are good. For example, it was illegal to kill Nazis in Germany circa 1940, but it wasn’t immoral.

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• QueenHawlSera@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Punch Nazis every day. Remember Fascists are not people.

  It’s kinda like the paradox of tolerance, the moment you’re intolerant you lose people being tolerant of you.

  The second you start unpersonining people, you become an unperson.

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  • Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m just waiting for some genius to come and try to “iamverysmart” you and be like “Aren’t you being hypocritical by saying the fascists aren’t people?” just completely missing the point, LMAO.

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    • zergtoshi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#Propos…

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• ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I am ignorant, please help me understand. Is violence not worse?

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  • cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I think its more than the racist words and racists violence are not two seperate entities that can be tackled independently

    Ans thats what the person is attempting to do, essentially cut one head off the hydra knowing 2 more will emerge

    The common link is not just the words, its not just the violence, its that and the infinite spectrum of ramnifications of people thinking there are greater and lesser people than themselves

    Yes violent acts are worse than verbal acts Traumas should not be compared, all victems are valid, and words can be used violently.

    But racism is bigger than words and violence, and saying “oh the racists violemce are worse than the racist words, we should be focusing in on the violence” is ignorant, and purposefully looks for trees and not the forest.

    Racism is born of generational societal systemic level of suffering - it requires generational societal systemic levels of healing to reduce its harm.

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    • ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Ah, I see. That makes sense. Thanks!

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  • Idreamofcheesy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I imagine the poster was arguing against punching Nazis.

    Which come on, no people were ever hurt by punching Nazis.

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    • blx@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s not violence, it’s fun for the whole family!

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    • EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean, there’s a chance they scraped their knuckles. But I find the scuff worth the punch.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Counterpoint: once my buddy Al broke his fist on somebody’s face

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  • felsiq@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Judging by the response to OOP, I’d guess the original context was somebody punching a racist or something. IE if my guess is right OOP is saying [anti-racist] violence is worse than [racist] words, which explains the negative reaction

    If anyone has a source for this to confirm/deny it’d be appreciated tho

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  • boobookittyfrick@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Honestly I wish my parents would have just beat me

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  • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Racism isn’t just verbal. It is violent and deadly.

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• tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  OP, are you complaining here that Reddit downvoted you for saying someone punching a Nazi is worse than a Nazi?

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• frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It's much easier to commit violence against a person you consider to be subhuman the way racists do. Same for 'misogyny is bad but violence worse' like people who consider women property aren't violent against them.

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  • PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Not all violence is physical

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• ceenote@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This gives charlie Kirk vibes

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  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m sure he said something equivalent while he wasn’t dead.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This is bullshit, since racism leads to violence.

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• Sibshops@feddit.cl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Ah the old “Racisism is bad, but it’s not that bad so that makes it okay.”

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    “I can excuse the racism but I can not excuse them being late with the fresh made at the table guacamole again”

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• db2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  It’s reddit. 🤷

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• MutantTailThing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yes, but what about racist violence?

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  • ignotum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Minus and minus is plus, i learned that in maffs

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    • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      5–5=10

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• bequirtle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  no-context screenshot = assume downvotes are justified

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• dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  racism is peaceful and nonviolent? What are lynchings?

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• le_throosh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “Actual violence” thats what the downvotes are about.

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Also im pretty sure the phrase “actual violence” in any context gets you a 3 week ban.

    Appeal that ban? Permaban.

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• PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Sounds are physical movements that strike your eardrum (unless we’re talking bone induction). Loud enough sounds (words) can also be physical violence.

  (Seriously, though. Emotional violence is a thing, and it’s bad too)

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• Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Unless said words are “they are eating the dogs the people that came in there,” in which case it incites, somehow succesfully, acts of physical violence against other races.

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  • Derpenheim@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    “they are eating the dogs the people that came in there”

    I would buy a punctuation, Pat

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