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Good luck figuring it out since it also doesn’t come with man pages

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Submitted ⁨⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨cannedtuna@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨memes@sopuli.xyz⁩

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  • kshade@lemmy.world ⁨35⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    It’s a fox. I like the fox.

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  • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The gender orientation of the firefox logo is something I haven’t thought about ever.

    What’s the point of this?

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The point is that you’ve fallen for some idiots on X making up culture war bullshit.

      Kit’s supposed pronouns aren’t mentioned by Mozilla anywhere in any Mozilla announcements.

      One news site attributes this quote to Mozilla

      Kit (he/she/they/them/it) is the user’s constant companion. Wherever they choose to roam, Kit will accompany and guide them with clever, playful encouragement and support — giving the user the confidence to run free.

      That’s the one and only place that even remotely mentions it as far as I can tell. And it’s not even a statement that it’s NB or they/them… More like it’s a fictional mascot call it what you want.

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      • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        I just read the screenshot lol

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      • AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Mozilla uses “they’re” to refer to Kit, but other than that there’s no explicit statement at all.

        Kit is a companion, not a commentator. They’re not here to deliver punchlines. Kit shows up as a small signal that Firefox is working for you, then steps back so you can keep moving.

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    • wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      True, it was just “a fox” for me for far. I didn’t really care about the gender of a drawing. I guess it is a good awareness move though

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      • errer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Feels like a publicity stunt more than a genuine attempt to include non-binary people.

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      • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        To me, this feels more like a PR move than an awareness move. Kind of like: “We don’t wanna do anything substantial so uuuuh let’s just make our logo non-binary”.

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    • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s a distraction from the real important issue, which is…

      …what does the fox say? /j

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      • pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Wha-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow?!

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    • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Most people default to “this entity is male” without more context. I do it too, it’s a bit of an issue I try to be aware of but regularly fail. Male is default, female is marked; that’s why the stereotypical “girl” character in video games is just the “boy” character but with eye lashes and lips and maybe high heels.

      So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.

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      • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Most people default to “this entity is male” without more context.

        I have a hard time wrapping my head about this sentence. I don’t think about the gender of any entity without more context because it’s usually completely irrelevant.

        Male is default, female is marked

        So, I didn’t grow up in an english speaking country, but if I hear “the baker” I don’t automatically assume it’s a man. I think it’s a person that bakes bread and pastry. The same with “the mechanic”, “the engineer”, etc. It’s all - by default - a person.

        Now, if we were to talk german, there is actually a difference. As “the baker”, for example, we have “Bäcker” as Male and “Bäckerin” as female. The reason why male is “the default” in german is because it’s shorter. That’s it. If you say “Der Bäcker”, it’s as you’d say “the baker” in english, you don’t automatically make an assumption about the gender. If you say “Die Bäckerin”, you are referring to a female baker specifically.

        So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.

        Honestly this feels more like a mockery of people that identify as non-binary than raising any kind of awareness. Kinda has some “apache combat helicopter” vibes.

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      • DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Its a fucking cartoon logo, I’ve never once thought about its gender identity or called it any gender for that matter. I click on it, and that’s the extent of my interaction or consideration.

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      • ttyybb@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        And non-binary doesn’t exist, obv /s

        If not binary then how made of 1s and 0s?

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      • Nima@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        to be honest, 99% of people don’t even think about gender at all without being prompted to. especially when it comes to mascots like the firefox logo. its a browser.

        this seems like a PR move by mozilla and nothing more.

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      • FellowHuman@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That highly depends on the language.

        Example in Czech: Generic Fox (Liška) is a girl Generic Wolf (Vlk) is a boy

        Because our words themself have genders. Fox: Liška (girl) Lišák (boy) but default if you don’t knoe the sex of the animal is in this case the girl version.

        This differs per language. And in german (if I’m not mistaken) fox is Der Fuchs, so boy.

        I’m using boy/girl instead of male/female, because … I don’t know, that is how I think about it.

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well, if I was creating a mascot, and I didn’t want to think about their gender orientation… they/them pronouns are what I would use. Mozilla actually didn’t announce the mascot’s gender. People just saw they/them pronouns and made the inference from there.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Somebody at the Mozilla foundation justifying their pointless job.

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    • WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What’s more is the non binary fox somehow seems more binary.

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  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨59⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Waterfox needs to catch up with a gender-fluid fox

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  • Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What if… hear me out… what if we remove the focus on gender altogether? What if we stop engendering things that don’t have genders? Like logos… and behavioral attributes…

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    • SaraTonin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Since Mozilla actually didn’t and the post is based on a lie, I’ll say congratulations, your reaction is almost certainly what they were hoping for

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      • Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip ⁨32⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        You don’t think people childishly over anthropomorphizes a lot these days?

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    By the way this is NOT a new Firefox logo. It’s just the fox that may be used in other parts of the UI like this:

    Image

    The actual logo remains unchanged.

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    • ApertureUA@lemmy.today ⁨19⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Not on topic but sure do wonder why they silently pulled the Dino 2 years (I think?) prior and made the browser look boring. I guess it was apart of the master plan to shove a new mascot there and make media attention, + furry bait.

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    • cannedtuna@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Solid sleuthing there. Edited the post to include your context.

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  • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨43⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Iso-linear.

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  • flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Firefox is now exclusive to ternary computers.

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    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, Mozilla has seen the future of computing. (CS/CE, don’t watch if you don’t want to be frustrated.)

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  • normonator@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s stupid, it was genderless before until they brought it up.

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  • ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Isn’t the old mascot/logo completely non-gendered already?

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    • markz@suppo.fi ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There was nothing like that with the old fox-that-is-on-fire, so I guess mozilla is making a statement by pointing it out.

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      • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Except there’s basically nowhere that Mozilla actually does. The post is misinformation

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      • blujan@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Except it’s not pointing it out, OP is

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      • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I kinda wish that they had pointed it out, but they didn’t.

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  • BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Because it was what before? Why do we care about the gender identity of the fox mascot of a web browser?

    Don’t answer, please

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  • TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Okay, I know that this is supposed to be a riff, but that non-binary line is fucking hilarious.

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    • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      You could write the whole browser in some kind of interpreted script?

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  • markz@suppo.fi ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I never knew or thought about the old one’s gender.

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  • Hupf@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    What if the answer is JavaScript?

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  • artifex@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Maybe it’s meant to run on the old Soviet Setun platform.

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Don’t tell the furries

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  • foodandart@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Kit looks more she/her than the OG icon.

    Hmm… …the silliness continues.

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    • WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Kit looks more she/her than the OG icon.

      NBs don’t have to be androgynous.

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      • foodandart@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        I didn’t ascribe a he/him/her/she/them/they to an icon.

        It was just that… it… …and it is fine.

        The rest just strikes me as so much marketing.

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  • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Where do y’all take info on pronouns?

    Haven’t seen anything in the official announcement: blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/meet-kit/

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Okay, don’t search for the word “binary”. Search for the word “they”.

      Yes, really.

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah I noticed that too.

      I found this quote supposedly attributed to Mozilla, as far as I can tell this is the whole issue, everything else is chuds on X running with it.

      Kit (he/she/they/them/it) is the user’s constant companion. Wherever they choose to roam, Kit will accompany and guide them with clever, playful encouragement and support — giving the user the confidence to run free.

      neowin.net/…/firefox-has-killed-its-old-mascot-he…

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  • heliotrope@retrofed.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have a friend IRL called Kit, who also happens to use they/them pronouns.

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  • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Non-binary PC is just a quantum computer innit?

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    • Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, ternary exists. We could have built computers with triodes.

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    • Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There’s also analog computers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_computer

      Alas, they got largely displaced by digital computers…

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    • slothrop@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I feel that you’re stringing us along with that theory.

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  • bibbasa@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    all logos require genders

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  • tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Distraction from being a shit corporation.

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  • Jaegeras@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Who cares? Are gonna label the Michelin Man next?

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    • cannedtuna@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hate to break it to you, but it’s literally in the name already

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  • Janx@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Does Firefox welcome input from non-binary and LGBTQ+ folks? Are they part of the Mozilla Board of Directors? If they truly believe in inclusion, it seems it would be pretty easy to prove it rather than a cheap, meaningless stunt like this…

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What’s the stunt? All they did was use they/them pronouns when talking about their mascot. People made the inference from there and ran with it, and y’all are too lazy to do a web search and read the announcement.

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  • cypherpunks@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    nb (short for nota bene) would actually be a good name for a modern replacement for the man command 😂

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This would make life harder for me since I have this installed on my system.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh ffs we’re calling the word “manual” a micro aggression now?

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      • cypherpunks@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Oh ffs we’re calling the word “manual” a micro aggression now?

        sorry, did that trigger you? 🙄

        nobody called anything a microaggression or said anything about the non-abbreviated word manual; jokes about UNIX’s abbreviation of it being homonymous with the common noun man have existed since the man command was created.

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  • socsa@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s not just a binary. It’s a BLOB!

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  • Francislewwis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My phone would simply give up and restart at this point 😂

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So they just laid off a bunch of developers from lack of funding but they have budget for this? When the fucking logo didn’t have a gender to begin with because it’s a fucking logo? Did their AI tell them this was a good idea.

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  • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s ternary computing time.

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  • hayvan@piefed.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I mean the source is mostly ascii anyway.

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  • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Interpreter based firefox script?

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