We Spoke To Game Devs And All Of Them Hate DLSS 5: 'What The F***, Nvidia?'

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• Vespair@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’m just gonna copy & paste my comment from another thread on the topic:

  They don’t care. Nobody thinks this is a meaningful announcement, it’s just another pretense to justify AI as Nvidia and much of the entire US economy are so deeply sunken-cost invested in the “future AI ecosystem” that they just need any headlines to keep the machine churning. That’s what this is. Doesn’t mean it isn’t real and gamers won’t have to suffer with it, but no point of this is actually to make anyone’s gaming experience better in any way.

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  • moody@lemmings.world ⁨38⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    I don’t think it’s really aimed at gamers though. It’s a tech demo for what their hardware can do. They say that it was run on a dedicated 5090 which means that to get the same result, you have to be running the game on a 5090 and have a second 5089 just for DLSS5.

    This isn’t meant for consumers. It’s aimed at sectors of the market that want realtime gen AI processing of realtime footage, whether 3D generated or live action.

    I think they’re purposely taking the backlash from the gaming community, which they obviously don’t care about anymore, to showcase the tech to a different market.

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    • Vespair@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Astute, I think you’re right.

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    • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨28⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      So you think this is “Lost Pets” of the Dystopian Ring/Flock future?

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• BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s astonishing to me that PC gamers are suddenly so focused on the “creative intent” of game visuals.

  We’re talking about the crowd who shits on console players because they (usually) cannot install mods for their games. Gamers have been destroying the creative intent of the visuals in games for years with shader mods, changes to models and animations, and adding totally new, completely out of place things.

  The DLSS5 examples look like shit, but let’s stop pretending we give a shit about the devs “creative intent” when talking about it.

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  • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Completely agree, it feels like taking crazy pills seeing the oddly misdirected anger.

    Even then, I don’t understand the anger when nvidia isn’t forcing any game devs to use the tech, so isn’t it necessarily part of the creative intent if they decide to implement it as an option? At the very least they’re the ones that provide it or not.

    It makes me feel like it’s an intentional campaign to stoke anger at something seriously inconsequential, but that seems crazy too.

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  • samc@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Maybe gamers aren’t a monolith and the ones adding waifus to Skyrim aren’t the same as the ones criticising DLSS5?

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    • BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hmm. Nah that couldn’t be it.

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨45⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    Based take and true. But there’s different «rules» for low stakes modding and an organisation like nvdidia pushing for default slopification of games

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Most people will install mods after playing the game as intended to get more life out of it and if a game is modable, it’s often because the devs included support for that.

    Many of those devs got their starts in the modding scene and understand remix culture. What Nvidia is doing is not that. What Nvidia is doing is tantamount to including Autotune in every music player.

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    • BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I don’t think the second part of your first statement is correct. There are plenty of games that have modding support and that’s great, but there’s also plenty of types of mods that exist despite a lack of support.

      Reshade works with most games, even some with anticheats, for example. To piggyback off your analogy, that’s like using an equalizer to accentuate the bass because that’s what you like the most in music.

      Regardless, throwing an Ai filter on top of your game seems like something a modder would come up with (and has), but not in any serious capacity.

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  • Vespair@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Bro opening up your sandwich to put mayo on is a vastly different experience than you opening up my sandwich to put whatever condiment you choose on my sandwich.

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    • Datz@szmer.info ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      To be fair, if DLSS5 is optional (I hope so), they are asking you if you want the condiment.

      The condiment is a shitty mayo, and they did take initative (which an average person will mindlessly accept), but they did ask.

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  • merdaverse@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I was going to argue that’s not the case, but then I looked at the most popular mods for Darkest Dungeon and it’s more than 50% anime girls with big tits. There are definitely some good mods in general that maintain creative intent, both aesthetic and game design wise, but it sometimes feels like searching for a needle in a haystack.

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  • HrabiaVulpes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    This type of tools should be added on a per-game basis.

    Imagine AI hallucinating additional enemies on your screen when you are playing something like League of Legends.

    As for games like skyrim - they might as well turn into wish-fulfilling AI-powered “go on adventure in fantasy land” machines and nobody would notice the difference.

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    • BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip ⁨59⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Okay, this is still possible. Just don’t turn it on.

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  • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Preach.

    It is the same argument they used to gatekeep souls games whenever someone suggested to add an easy mode for those who want to play the game but lack the skill to do so.

    The intent of the developer is a lot less important than the experience of the player.

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    • Vespair@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, it’s like ordering a steak at a restaurant and then somebody from the kitchen supply company coming it once it hits your table and sprinkling a bunch of cinnamon you didn’t ask for all over it.

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• JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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• NONE_dc@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “Between dealing with minority oppression, general uncertainty, and the rush to replace artists and those who pursued knowledge with machines, it feels like there is no future for me or my craft.”

  Jesus…

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• darkmogool@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What bothers me the most besides the general AI slop thing) is that this shit changes the style of games. And imo better graphics alsmost never make a game better…

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• chunes@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  My thoughts on this corpulent technology can be summed up by some brilliant thinkers.

  “Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius—and a lot of courage—to move in the opposite direction.” – E.F. Schumacher

  “The cheapest, fastest, and most reliable components of a computer system are those that aren’t there.” – Gordon Bell

  “Keep it simple. A simple solution has elegance. It is the result of an exacting effort to understand the real problem and is recognized by its compelling sense of rightness. I stress this point because it contradicts the conventional view that power increases with complexity. Simplicity provides confidence, reliability, compactness, and speed.” – Charles Moore

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  • moakley@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Corpulent means fat. Is the technology fat?

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    • neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works ⁨53⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      I think they’re not using it literally. In this context, corpulent just means bloated/gross. That is also its literal definition.

      So I think the word works here.

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• ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well, according Nvidia, they’re all wrong, so who are you going to believe?

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  • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I only trust little Asian men in black leather jackets

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• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well, think of it this way:

  China now knows how to shoot down F35s, if you’ve been following other news.

  Yeah, sorry Taiwan, between that and the US wasting all of its missiles and interceptors on Iran… and dismantling the SK THAAD system for parts, after two of them got destroyed in the GCC…

  Huang is gonna be taking orders, moreso than giving them, in the near future.

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  • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    c/lostlemmings

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  • kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sir this is a Wendy’s

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  • deltapi@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sorry, what?!

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• krisevol@lemmus.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  A bunch of people got it wrong, and other people ban wagoned. The hate has almost disappeared now that the dust has settled and people actually listened to what it is, but there are so people that change to goal post to general AI is bad after finding out what dlss 5 actually does. Always look into the subject before joining the bandwagon because the first reaction is usually wrong and misinformed.

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  • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    WTF are you even talking about? Sit down Billy, I award you no points.

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    • ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    • warmaster@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Relax, that account must be an AI bot with DLSS ON™.

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    • THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      10/10 he’s either some jerkoff CEO, some jerkoff tech bro, or some jerkoff shareholder.

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    • krisevol@lemmus.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well damn.

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  • TommySoda@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hmm… New account, defending a company that doesn’t care about your opinion, and saying that everyone but the corporation is the problem.

    Bro… Are you aware that you are a bot?

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    • krisevol@lemmus.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, usually the first reaction is the wrong one. This is the case here. So many people got what dlss5.0 does wrong. It’s just AI fear and assumptions, and not understanding what the tech is doing and what is for.

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  • MichaelScotch@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Shut the fuck up. You are wrong and misinformed. Also, artificial general intelligence doesn’t exist yet, but when it does, you’ll feel the pain regardless of your naïveté

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  • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve seen it in reverse; people who saw the initial yassification of characters they admittedly didn’t really know we’re impressed by the “rendering” but after a few days, have realized that perhaps it isn’t the creative intent to make everyone look like AI slop.

    Plus even if the tech ends up being good, the demonstration (and subsequent response) is very much not. Shadows getting washed out, people’s arms disappearing, and other things, people looking it over realize it’s not even doing what it wants to do.

    Maybe it’ll work out when the creators have control over it and can prevent it from undoing important stuff, like a character’s plot related scars or lighting effects used to show players where to go, but that’s all suspect until proven otherwise.

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    • krisevol@lemmus.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Dlss 1.0 sucked.

      Dlss 4.5 is amazing.

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s too many AI bot posters these days.

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