Bruh why… how was this dudes reach into everything
When DinoCon is doing more than the US Gov
Submitted 2 weeks ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
bassomitron@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When you’re a global criminal organization, you ensure immunity by blackmailing and/or extorting every single person in a position of power as much as possible. There’s a reason these monsters have gotten away with it–and continue to get away with it–for so damn long
Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Also, if you’re someone who is seeking power, you do everything you can to suck up to people with it. There are plenty of people in every field who are willing to put up with, or do, horrible things to be treated like they’re special.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
He did get his start in education. Given a job he was unqualified for by [traitorous] former AG Bill Barr’s father (who also wrote creepy pedo sci fi novels)
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I want to announce that everyone in the Epstein files is banned from my house, with the exception of Bill Gates, who was already banned and is now double banned.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Don’t you hate it when a good boycott comes along, and you can’t participate because you’ve already been boycotting them for some previous atrocity? I keep finding good reasons to boycott United, but I’ve been boycotting them for decades.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
At this point I whitelist rather than blacklist.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How stunning and brave of you to stand up for what is right.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I’ll have you know my homemade hummus and baba ganoush platter is the talk of the neighborhood.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If yall been having people mentioned in the files visiting your house then I got a lot of questions for you that I didn’t have before reading this.
bulwark@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That motherfucker ruined dinosaurs too!?
lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
That fucker ruined Linguistics too — he was in friendly terms with Noam Chomsky.
Personally I am not aware on how much Chomsky should be blamed for this association; it’s possible Epstein was simply using him. But even in the hypothesis Chomsky is innocent, it stinks.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
When Chomsky was asked what he corresponded with epstein about years ago, he said essentially “none of your fucking business”.
Which is such a bad answer, I am half inclined to believe he just wanted help filing his taxes and a guilty Chomsky would have the sense to lie.
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Chomsky adviced Epstein on how to deal with the public backlash, for Epstein being a convicted pedophile. There is no evidence that Chomsky did something illegal, but it certainly stinks.
TheFogan@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Sadly there’s a lot of intelectuals that were involved, Lawrence Krauss, Noem Chomsky, Steven Hawking just scratching the surface.
varjen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No one should be surprised that known sex pest Krauss was mixed up with Epstein.
Pofski@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How the heck was Stephen Hawking involved??
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fuck you, stop giving him power he doesn’t have.
He didn’t ruin or tarnish all of paleontology. He can’t.
Jesus Christ you fucking people.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean if your company is owned or adminstrated by an epstein associate they should be forced to put up a sign
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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Karjalan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lmao. That italic/asterisk text would be amazing to see IRL. Although I feel like it would be rarer for a corporation to not have that.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It just seems correct.
doug@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s a low bar.
lmmarsano@group.lt 2 weeks ago
What part of science is guilt by association fallacy? Rash judgement is at odds with science. Did you know criminals can associate with noncriminals?
To flip this around, ostracizing others “out of safety” for associating with ex-convicts (who had been processed & released to society) is morally compromised & dishonest, ie, immoral. Talking to someone who did something wrong doesn’t imply you did something wrong. Neither does taking their money. Indulging fallacies is not a hallmark of scientific thought & is more consistent with the repressive, medieval thought scientists fought very hard to overcome.
Sages of major religions famously associated with undesirables: outcasts, untouchables, murderers, dangerous felons, etc. By the “logic” of that announcement, communities should have banned Buddha & Jesus (also mentioned in the Epstein files). Those that didn’t were “deplorable” for “not taking firm action to protect” members “in light of” blanket “allegations” that fail to specifically accuse them. If they were sanctimonious enough, they too could have done “more”.
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midribbon_action@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
In case you missed it, these are people who knew Epstein was an unrepentant child molester. Epstein was proven guilty in court, made no statements of remorse, and these scientists continued to validate and support his behavior for years after, up until his death. If he had accepted responsibility for his crimes, I would feel differently about people who decide to associate with him while he spent the rest of his life in prison. But I doubt these scientists would have. The reason they liked Jeffrey was because he got away with everything. They admired his ability to rape on an industrial scale without consequences.
Nobody should ever be guilty by association. However, nobody is entitled to be a respected dino scientist. That is something you earn, and I see no reason not to include their feelings about child rape when discussing whether most attendees would feel comfortable with them at a conference.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
According to the Montana Standard, after his name surfaced in the released files, Horner posted, and later deleted, a social media statement calling his decision to pursue Epstein’s support an extremely poor judgment. He said that while he knew Epstein had been convicted of soliciting prostitution, he was unaware of Epstein’s broader sex trafficking operation until years later.
Horner wrote that his visit involved only Epstein, staff, and several women introduced as college students. […]
I can see where the judgement lapse happened, but that’s a pretty big lapse.
TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You almost made a good argument there. Why did you backpedal in the second paragraph? It invalidates everything you said and removes all your credibility.
TractorDuffy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Haven’t you heard it’s possible that he was killed by the administration because he had accepted responsibility for his crimes? If it’s true that he was going to cooperate with authorities to reduce his sentence it would explain why those in power would want him gone.
His actions were unconscionable but unless you knew him personally or were involved with the investigation into his case you can’t tell us he “wasn’t accepting responsibility” unless you’re just making stuff up.
Gonzako@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Since justice ain’t working people are taking it upon themselves.
lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Nah. The guilt by association fallacy is more like:
- [P1] Hitler ate bread.
- [P2] Hitler was a bad person.
- [C] Thus if you eat bread, you’re as bad as Hitler.
That is not even remotely close to what the DinoCon is doing. If we interpret their actions as an argument, it’s more like:
- [P1] Knowingly associating yourself with a bad person makes you a bad person.
- [P2] Those people knowingly associating themselves with Epstein, a bad person.
- [C] Thus those people are bad people.
You might disagree with the first premise (it’s a moral premise, so it depends on your values), but the argument is perfectly logical.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Socializing with known child molesters is beyond the pale. If the government isn’t going to deal with them properly one of the better options for the rest of us is to exile them from society. Anyone that’s not on board with this can fuck off right along with them.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I normally agree with you about guilt by association, but these people are currently an IMMINENT threat to every living thing on the planet. I am truly ok with a small amount of collateral damage to excise the cancer before it STRANGLES US TO DEATH. They control everything. Every mechanism of power or change. We cannot allow them the very obvious influence over the extensive investigation that their position afford. We need to purge our power structures of this before anything else can be done about it.
Natanael@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
At some point it comes down to incentives, to not shun such terrible people just helps increase their influence. Accepting their money makes it look like you think what they did isn’t bad. Terms like greenwashing exists just highlight this problem, we have to make it clear it’s unacceptable to behave like that and that you can not buy your way out of consequences.
BambiDiego@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Science without morals and ethics leads to amazing developments, but often misguided or twisted understanding, and unbridled human suffering.
It’s not enough to be a good scientist, one must also be a good person. The people involved with Epstein are UNREPENTANTLY evil. These are not people who are in the “grey” like a leper who was an untouchable or a murderer who killed unintentionally and regrets it their whole life. A true scientist doesn’t need the law to tell them that someone is highly likely to be a monster when the evidence is mounting. Rather they would chase the evidence and do their best to make a decision based on the most logical outcome.
A good scientist who is also a good person must work to excise this toxicity from the scientific community.
Also, Budda and Jesus? A terrible bad faith argument, I can’t dignify that with anything other than dismissal
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
“Science without morals and ethics leads to amazing developments, but often misguided or twisted understanding, and unbridled human suffering.”
Exactly this. I see way too many scientists who may not be actively bad people, but they convince themselves that it’s possible to do science in an apolitical manner.
I believe that science is able to get as close to objectivity as is possible to achieve. However, individual scientists can never be objective, and the more they think of themselves in that way, the less objective the resulting science is.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Well well well, this feels familiar. Pardoning Pedophiles? Ain’t no such thing.
HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
This isn’t necessarily about justice or guilt. They aren’t being imprisoned or sentenced. An organization is choosing not to permit them where their members & the public gather, for “protection”.
If these individuals were suspected of being in contact with a dangerous contagious disease, you’d hopefully not find it unscientific to minimize risk by telling them not to come to a convention.
But being a child rapist, or ASSOCIATING with child rapists isn’t a contagious disease. No, but due to their association to members of a prolific child trafficing ring, they may be considered a higher risk for a certain subset of convention-goers (which claims to offer fun for people of all ages)
Phineaz@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
jaybone@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
For a second there at first I thought DinoCon referred to the DNC.
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Ha, that will be the day. I bet dnc figures are on the list and redacted from what the justice department released for reasons that may include them knowing information on the president and his favorites themselves that they could release in retaliation for letting the information on them through.
xorollo@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Wow so many pedo apologizers in the comments.
skozzii@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I never thought I would see pedophilia become a political issue.
The MAGA cult is real.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Well, y’know, those little girls were sluts. /S
BambiDiego@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
My online friend lists have been through the chopping block recently, a good society must have intolerance for the intolerant and devious.
There’s zero excuse for an adult to sexually assault a child, or to have known and kept the secret.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
not everyone who ever interacted with Epstein was/is a pedophile.
he had a broad network of various levels of social gatherings and sex parties. not all of them were pedo parties. the majority were not.
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
You can PUNISH People who RAPED LITTLE CHILDREN?
-Americans!
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah, Americans make those people President.
Lemmynated@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
DinoCon for pres
Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Guilty until proven innocent?
Critique about that convention’s virtue signaling:
https://franklinveauxblog.quora.com/As-a-progressive-American-liberal-there-s-a-thing-that-gets-right-up-my-nose-Conservatives-often-critique-liberals-forKaChilde@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That is a poor response to DinoCon’s post. The con does not appear to be banning anybody who was named in the files, but is banning those who corresponded with Epstein’s organisation after his crimes had become public knowledge.
The man trafficked and raped children. If you want to email the billionaire pedophile to look for fossils on one of his rape-properties, you are a deplorable cunt and being banned from a con is the smallest punishment you are owed.
This guy goes on to say that this is virtue signalling? How? The con is banning people. It is seemingly backing up its post, not basking in the idea of being anti-pedophile. It is making this decision known to the public, as the Epstein files have become a pervasive part of our lives right now. Knowing a person linked to a pedophile rapist may be attending a con could affect attendees, so getting the word out is smart.
Phineaz@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Quick question: Why am I a deplorable cunt if I want to look for fossils on a rapist’s piece of land? Am I a war criminal if I want to dig for fossils in Russa?
brennesel@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I did a bit of research. As near as I can tell, there’s one (one!) paleontologist listed in the Epstein Files as “having contact with the Epstein organization,” Dr. Jack Horner.
What does “I did a bit of research” even mean? Couldn’t it be that DinoCon was told about other cases that he is not aware of?
Banning people for being in the Epstein Files is stupid.
Sounds like a typical straw man argument to me. “engaged in correspondence” is not the same as “being in the files”.
I’m in the Epstein Files
Maybe he felt that it applied to himself and therefore did not read the announcement carefully.
tyler@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Why the hell was epstein on quora though? Like, isn’t that suspicious in itself? Billionaires don’t need to create q&a accounts. They have assistants that just find the answers for them.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
To be fair, if I was a powerful or important person, and I found out this guy can get me anything, and didn’t know he was a pedophile, I’d want to network too. (Also to be fair, his face would scare me away too).
What do you think the odds are that these Paleontologists are kiddie diddlers?
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
after the conviction Yeah no pity there.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Here’s the cool thing, I don’t give a single fuck why you were communicating with the guy. If you had a relationship with him, you get thrown in the wood chipper. After every single person is thrown in, we can sort through the pile of viscera and determine guilt.
We CANNOT allow these people to remain in the position of power they are in for the duration of the obviously EXTENSIVE investigation that is needed.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Ok, that is exactly what I’m concerned of. I suspect that there are people on the list that had nothing to do with kiddy diddling, and that this might be how he got power over them in the first place.
We might have ended up in a shitty world, solely due to that one fucker.
It makes sense though, that’s my attitude to billionaires in general. 3000 people are simply…NOTHING compared to say, a million innocent people killed in Gaza because they exist, so you have a point there.
As much as I hate to create a world where anyone could be sacrificed, things have passed the godzilla threshold.Image
Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
What a time we live in, where somehow this is a hot take. Reading these comments just makes me sad, like how do we have so many fucking boot lickers that are defending associates of child rapists. Good fuck man this society is so trashed. I don’t think we come back from this timeline. We are beyond saving.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Based
Bwaz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yet the PO(TU)S has put sanctions on judges in Europe for issuing arrest warrants on Netanyathu.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That is commendable.
Genuinely curious if they had the same resolve when it comes to the genociders and those affiliated with them.TwoWorlds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You know Muldoon was on the list… 🤔
morto@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
And the convention even has an awesome logo and name. They’re total badasses.
minorkeys@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Court of public opinion, eager to find ways to sate their thirst for justice…or investigation…or…literally any action regarding Epstein.
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
The epstein shit is extensive, ezxpansivs, lalala. Personally i clean my sink: this is what the former associates say
galacticbackhoe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wrong kind of bones guys.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I like that they’re also banning anyone not doing a similar ban
lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Ditto. Specially because they’re focusing on the executives of those organisations, i.e. the people with actual decision power. That’s the right way to do it.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Hold people accountable or else we will hold you accountable”
Tinidril@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Secondary sanctions from a dino convention. Based.