Feynman rules

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• Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Feynman actually did try to explain it, and could do the math and other work to show why magnets attract one another. Having watched the Todd in the Shadows video about Miracles, I kind of find the question wholesome - he's not asking out of willful ignorance, but rather that it's something he knows is beyond his grasp but amazes him (and wants to share that joy in the world with his kids and family).

  Trump is just willfully ignorant and small-minded.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    ICP is an ode to ignorance, fuck anyone trying to rehab that shit.

    Fucking magnets, how do they work?
    And I don’t wanna talk to a scientist
    Y’all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed

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    • Arrkk@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s a lot harder to make that argument in the context of the rest of the lyrics

      !Music is a lot like love, it’s all a feeling And it fills the room, from the floor to the ceiling I see miracles all around me Stop and look around, it’s all astounding Water, fire, air and dirt Fucking magnets, how do they work? And I don’t wanna talk to a scientist Y’all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed Solar eclipse, and vicious weather Fifteen thousand Juggalos together And I love my mom for giving me this Time on this planet, taking nothing for granted!<

      It’s not anti-science, it’s frustration at the world for being the complicated, messy place it is, and a longing to go back to the simple innocence of childhood where even basic physical processes are magical. It’s not a rant that nobody should do science, it’s his own disillusionment, and a plea for people to allow a little bit more wonder into their world.

      It’s a powerful lyric because even in a song about how magical the world is, it still slips in and ruins it, the pebble in your shoe that doesn’t allow you to ever truly experience that pure feeling again, always gnawing at you in the background no matter what you do.

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• FishFace@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  To everyone saying “Feynman did explain it” you’re missing the point - his answer is that there isn’t really an answer to why magnets attract; he never says in that interview that there is, other than that is how the universe works.

  He can explain the precise way in which they attract each other, can explain what properties of materials give rise to magnetism, and so on, but this is all ultimately a description. The only way science can answer a “why” question is with a description of general behaviour that encompasses what is asked about, so: why do magnets attract, because of spins and magnetic fields and so on. But why do spins and magnetic fields cause the attraction? There is no known general behaviour that encompasses that behaviour, and if there were, it would be subject to the same questioning. Ultimately, all “why” questions reach an end.

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  • MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ultimately, all “why” questions reach an and.

    I see you have not recently interacted with a toddler in the “why” phase.

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    • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Never discourage that phase, imagine if our population never grew out of questioning the world. Just don’t be afraid to say “I don’t know, maybe you can teach me someday.”

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    • chillpanzee@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Taking it all the way back to OP’s meme. Love it.

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    • FishFace@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Are you able to answer all their why questions satisfactorily? No? Then that’s where they reach an end…

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  • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So he answered ‘how do they work’. No one was asking why.

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    • dontsayaword@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The interviewer in the referenced clip did actually press Feynman to explain the “why”, which led Feynman into an explanation aboit how “why” is impossible to answer, which is what OP is talking about.

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• shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That line was actually Trump being his narcissistic self. In context he’s saying, “Nobody knows how important magnets are but me.” And then he mumble fucks around about magnets being in everything.

  Somebody whispered in his ear that China halting rare earth exports is going to fuck up a broad range of industries. His dementia locked onto, “Magnets good. China has magnets. China no give magnets.” He then goes to mumbling how he’s threatening and begging Xi.

  That also explains his idiot rant to our Navy in Japan week before last. He’s explaining that we need to get away from magnetic aircraft and ordnance lifting systems and go back to steam.

  He’s trying to explain all this without admitting that he poked the tiger and the tiger poked back.

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  • starman2112@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I like how the guy who was elected because he says what he thinks always has to have his comments put into context. He didn’t literally mean that nobody knows what magnets are (despite literally saying “nobody knows what magnets are”), he meant something totally different!

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨30⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      I’m explaining what he means through the lens of his dementia. Aw, shit. Forgot I’m on lemmy where “explanation” = “agreement”, “explanation” = “condoning”.

      How well did you do on those reading comprehension tests in school?

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  • FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Someone better give him a new sound byte before he tries carving up the Gerald Ford for maga fridge magnets

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• janus2@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    haha little spinny balls go brrr

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• BierSoggyBeard@feddit.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  To clarify: Feynman could explain it, but can’t dumb it down enough for us mortals.

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  • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Magnetism is complex and difficult to reduce down succinctly, but the real issue is that at the very base level, “why does magnetism exist” is no more explainable than “why do particles have spin?”

    They didn’t know it, but ICP were asking an epistemological question.

    I looked for a non-yt source, but the best explainer for how magnetism in everyday objects is built up from quantum mechanics that I could find easily was this by minute physics: m.youtube.com/watch?v=hFAOXdXZ5TM

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  • bytesonbike@discuss.online ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I want Feynman for president.

    I don’t care how, or why, or that he’s no longer here. Anything is better than this bozo.

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  • WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think it’s more fundamental than that. He could talk about relativity and electrostatics and particle spin, but at some level the electromagnetic force is called a “fundamental force” because it’s one of the postulates we just kinda accept about the universe.

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    • BierSoggyBeard@feddit.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Fair point

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• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  To drop my reply from a similar post:

  To be fair: "A magnet works because negatively charged electrons repel each other. "

  "Why do negatively charged electrons repel each other? "

  “… Well … Ok, so hear me out. You’re going to need to understand quantum mechanics and then the fermion principal. Then you’ll know that the electrons aren’t allowed to occupy the same space, and the easiest way to avoid being in the same space is to not touch each other. The electrons know they aren’t allowed to touch because they’ve studied fermions.”

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  • WolfLink@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To be fair: "A magnet works because negatively charged electrons repel each other. "

    This is the Coloumbic (electrostatic) force, which is related to magnetism but this explanation would be insufficient to explain magnetism.

    “… Well … Ok, so hear me out. You’re going to need to understand quantum mechanics and then the fermion principal. Then you’ll know that the electrons aren’t allowed to occupy the same space, and the easiest way to avoid being in the same space is to not touch each other. The electrons know they aren’t allowed to touch because they’ve studied fermions.”

    This is the Pauli exclusion principle, which does act like a force, but is not the same as the electrostatic force or magnetism.

    Magnetism is moving electrons repel/attract/affect each other depending on the direction they are moving.

    The simplest explanation for that I know of is that force needs to exist alongside the electrostatic force for the motion of electrons to be consistent with relativistic time and space dilation effects.

    And no, that’s not a simple explanation, and it requires explaining relativity, and at the end of the day the best explanation we’ve got for the electrostatic force is more or less “electrons repel each other because they do”.

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    • MOCVD@mander.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      All models are wrong, some models are useful. A model that is 100% correct is just reality. Science and physics boils down to observation followed by explanation which comes in the form of modeling.

      New physics started when plank discovered quantization while integration raleigh-jean and weins laws for blackbody radiation. Schrodinger proposed a model among several proposed models and his fit the best.

      Anyone who is surprised by science not knowing all the answers had fundamentally misunderstood science.

      Finally, five fields: electromagnetic, gravity, strong, weak, and higgs. Magnetism is just an effect of leptons interacting with the electric field. That’s the model, one day when we can explain more with another model there will be more questions.

      Bonus points for anyone who knows the quote “who ordered that?”

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      FYI; electrons are always negatively charged and protons always positively charged. So electrons, for instance, will always want to repel each other.

      But your conclusion is a more direct answer to the silly conclusion I gave. Which boils down to, “we don’t really know”.

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  • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Look man, shit just be doing what it does because it is what it is. If weren’t that way everything would be soup or darkness.”

    Physics at any point when you ask “why” enough.

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Pretty much. You get towards the bottom and on a fundamental level, there are some things that science just doesn’t know. We really don’t know how magnets work, when you get down to it.

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    • bisby@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch…

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• Rhaedas@fedia.io ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Except Feynman did answer in the end, or at least gave us an idea of what's going on without diving into the hard physics. The journey there was to teach us that asking questions doesn't always lead to a simple answer, and can lead to more questions.

  Trump probably got two of those very strong neodymium magnets together and can't get them apart, so now he's confused and pissed at China because that's where they were bought.

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  • QuietCupcake@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If I remember right, he did have more to tell the interviewer about the workings of magnets but much of it was about how they’re just a specific peculiarity of something that happens all the time with literally everything we see that we don’t question because we’re used to it, only that we think the same thing is strange when we see it lined up a certain way on a macro level, so we try to look for analogies that make us feel like we’ve made sense of it. But that ultimately there is no analogy that he or anyone could make to the macro human-experiential world that would be adequate. It’s like rubber bands - well no, it’s really not. It’s like the solar system - well no, it’s really not. And that while he could tell you a bit more about what was going on at a deeper level, which he did, eventually you and everyone else just has to accept that yeah, this do be what it do, and there truly is nothing further that we can say about why it do. In the same conversation he talks about how physics, rather our understanding of it, is like peeling an onion, and we don’t know if there is a final deepest layer we haven’t reached or if it just keeps on forever with more layers (either way it’s fun to try to find out).

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• Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  obligatory anti-feynman video

  youtu.be/TwKpj2ISQAc

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• krooklochurm@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

  Magnets aren’t even real. Have you ever actually SEEN one? Of course not.

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• saltnotsugar@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Year 40,000 - Light some incense to beseech the magnets to attract.

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  • Denjin@feddit.uk ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oh great Vessel of Honour,

    May your servo-motors be guarded,

    Against malfunction,

    As your spirit is guarded from impurity.

    We beseech the Machine God to watch over you.

    Let flow the sacred oils,

    And let not the sorrows of the Seven Perplexities

    trouble thine pistons.

    Let flow the blessed unguents,

    And may thine circuitry remain divinely blessed.

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  • massive_bereavement@fedia.io ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Confirmed magnets cause Chaos rifts to spread.

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  • AugustWest@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s some wishful thinking that humans will be around then.

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    • varyingExpertise@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You missed a Warhammer 40k reference.

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• LongLive@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  All I know on the fellow feynman - www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwKpj2ISQAc

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  • AbsolutelyClawless@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I knew which video that was going to be before even clicking. And same, lol.

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  • CTDummy@piefed.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Great video. I mentioned it in a discussion about the strangulation porn ban in the UK; specifically the “women strangled by a partner are 750% more likely to be murdered by said partner” statistic. Someone chimes in with “that sounds like a completely fabricated stat”. I have to assume due to the name that came after Dr. That magnet interview wasn’t particularly flattering either.

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    • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Why do you assume the magnet interview wasn’t flattering? His legacy is more complicated than he conveyed, and he definitely has some dark portions, but he actually was an extremely gifted mind, a renowned educator and acclaimed scientist.

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• ClassIsOver@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  He’s easily my favorite physicist, but he was a bit of a problematic person when it comes to his treatment of women.

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  • QuietCupcake@hexbear.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He was something of an idol to me for a while when I was young. “Surely You’re Joking Mr. Feynman” was one of my favorite and most often read books. But the chapter where he spoke of his experiences at bars, infamously referring to women who would accept drinks from him but not sleep with him as “bitches” always really bothered me. I remember being shocked by it and trying to rationalize it with things like “well, he came out of it realizing they weren’t and that he was in the wrong,” (yeah right, that’s a stretch) or “when his wife died so early when they were both so young it broke him, damaged him emotionally, and he lost the ability to relate to women,” (non-sequitur garbage excuse). But no, he was just deeply infected with misogyny like so many other shitty men.

    It also bothered me, not as much then, but a lot more now, how involved he was in the creation of the nuclear bomb for the US and his cynicism about humanity (fully expecting we would all die in a nuclear armageddon). On the one hand, he expressed some modicum of regret, and if I remember right, spoke of feeling only sick when his coworkers were celebrating its use in “ending the war,” on the other hand, he never actually tried to understand let alone criticize US imperialism and the role he played in cementing its dominion over the world (hegemony).

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    • ClassIsOver@hexbear.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yep, I’ve got my copy of Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman too, and the bar part was so gross, and the fact that people tell their story like that and don’t have the shame to either leave it out or make it sound less predatory speaks volumes about who they are.

      As for his part in the Manhattan Project, it seems as if he got his karmic return in the end. I just wish he’d lived long enough to see him speak in person. He died a few months before I was born.

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• KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Magnets work by pulling all the God from our brains to create the God rays so that life can be sustained on earth.

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• allthetimesivedied2@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What if instead of Richard Feynman it was Richard Fremen.

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  • cuban_Pete@lemy.lol ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What if instead of Richard Freman it was the Freeman of Arrakis.

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• Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  ICP Stock Prices going to the Moon with this presidency

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• nixfreak@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  lol sad

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• School_Lunch@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I never really thought about it, but isn’t the question actually “why do opposite charges attract?” Doesn’t it come down to stability? The universe likes equilibrium and combining opposite charges is an attempt to equalize.

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