September 2025: Updates for the .worlds and call for donations

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ruud@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨support@lemmy.world⁩

https://blog.mastodon.world/september-2025-updates-for-the-worlds-and-call-for-donations

The latest blog post about our .world and the Fedihosting Foundation. As you can read in the blog, the donations are no longer covering our running costs. If you are able to spare a few Euro’s or dollars or whatever currency, please check the list of our donation platforms in the blog.

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Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If I wasn’t trying to save every dollar I had to afford food, I’d shoot it all your way. Especially with all the posting I’ve done here and hosting I’ve taken up. Might not be able to do anything myself but I’ve got some friends who probably can and who might owe me a favor. Sandblasting this across my friendslist.

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- NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I get the feeling.
  
  I put in 10€ for you, now you don’t have to feel bad :)
  
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- NoMoreGenocider@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No money for genociders.
  
  lemmy.world/jimmy90
  
  Lemmy world is engaging in denialism, silences users they deem innapropriate and bully other instances into submission by abusing their size and threatening defederation. Their mods are biased and are pushing a narrative that get people bombed.
  
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Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The spamming troll made me realize, we don’t have any sort of posting limits? Limiting contributions to something humanly possible, like say, one every thirty seconds, would help cut down on that stuff. Maybe could base it on IP address, so multiple accounts couldn’t be used to partially get around it?

Most people would never even realize the limit is there.

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- douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Lemmy lacks essentially all mature moderation and administration controls a forum/social media platform would need to survive the broader internet back in 2014. Nevermind 2025.
  
  It’s quite unfortunate.
  
  The only savings grace is how small Lemmy is, it’s exposure is incredibly narrow right now.
  
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  - squaresinger@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I had a look around the code a while ago, and not only is it lacking in moderation and administration, it’s also very much lacking in the distributed computing department.
    
    It’s essentially set up in a way that all instances store close to all of the data and that with more instances the traffic and compute costs also scale terribly that way.
    
    Lemmy is pretty close to the limit of its technical capacity.
    
    I wish they had set Lemmy up as a bunch of basically phpBB forums with federated single-sign-on and frontend that can access the backend of all the separate forums transparently. That way each instance would have to only moderate, store and serve their own content instead of multiplying all the work for each instance.
    
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- MrKaplan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  we do have some limits in place, but lemmy only allows rate limits per ip, and those are counted in each backend process independently. I’m currently working on implementing better rate limits in our load balancer.
  
  due to rate limits historically not working at all or not working properly, there are still various instances without decent limits. additionally, these rare limits only apply to local users. federated activities are not limited within lemmy. we recent added some fairly high limits to our automod to catch some of these cases and it’s been working alright so far.
  
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  - Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Wouldn’t it be an idea to enable auto-deletion of messages after a set amount of time?
    
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- T156@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Could have a truthworthiness score that can increase posting limits in the backend.
  
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  - InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Perhaps you know, but commenting anyway for those who are new and don’t, you can visit anyone’s profile and see their modlog and a vibe check. May help inform how genuine someone may be on here.
    
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localhost001@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m trying to understand who (and where) to donate to here.

The blog post talks about various costs for the Worlds communities - the highest of which is server costs, and one line item is for “Monthly contribution to the FHF”. Then below, the donation links say “As a reminder, you can donate to FHF here”. So are those links for donating only to FHF? The Patreon link goes to “Mastodon.world (Fedihosting Foundation)”.

Some clarity here would be helpful so it’s easy for folks to understand who needs donations and where they can help with that.

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- ruud@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The FHF is the foundation owning all instances (fedihosting.foundation/hosted/). So the costs are for running all the .world instances. The contribution to FHF is the costs for running the non-profit foundation itself.
  
  The Patreon was setup when mastodon.world was the only instance… haven’t renamed it yet.
  
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drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ve started evaluate all free (as in freedom) services to match my entertainment subscriptions (I.e. netflix) and this ended up being avg 5$/mo min wage for all free services that I use which is very reasonable expense. All things don’t even add up to 100$/mo in my case and the value much outweighs that!

Bless be the foss priests 🙏

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SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Is there a guarantee that none of these donations go to the tankie dev?

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- anas@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Isn’t that a .ml issue, not a .world issue?
  
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  - UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Okay, but what if a dev on .world is a tankie? Who can risk their money going towards a functioning community website if there’s any chance someone I hate might cover rent and groceries?
    
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  - SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Many lemmy communities give money to the devs
    
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- MrKaplan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’m assuming that you’re referring to the Lemmy developers. FHF supports Lemmy development with a monthly donation of €50, same as we do for Mastodon development.
  
  If it makes you feel better, there are enough other people donating who don’t mind some or all of their donation amount going towards Lemmy development to offset your donation not being used for Lemmy development contributions.
  
  It’s not worth the effort to set up independent purpose-bound donation pools to separate donations from people unwilling to support certain people/organizations, as the end result would be the same, except a lot more maintenance/accounting overhead. Calculating with the current expenses of €1,700/month, this is less than 3% of the total donations we’d need to cover our bills.
  
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  - SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    What a passive agressive response
    
    It isn’t worth donating if my money goes to .ml admins, any amount
    
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  - NotForYourStereo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    OR, crazy idea here, I know…
    
    Just don’t give money to fascists?
    
    I will not donate a single cent as long as it’s being split with that scum.
    
    If Lemmy can’t survive cutting fascism out of it’s development, than it doesn’t deserve to live.
    
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- cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Same lol
  
  Context for those unaware
  
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  - NoMoreGenocider@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Context: owner of meanwhileOnGrad: lemmings.world/search?q=israel&type=All&listingTy…
    
    This whole shit about tankie is just clout from genociders.
    
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- NoMoreGenocider@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No money for genociders.
  
  lemmy.world/jimmy90 lemmings.world/search?q=israel&type=All&listingTy…
  
  Lemmy world is engaging in denialism, silences users they deem inappropriate and bully other instances into submission by abusing their size and threatening de-federation. Their mods are biased and are pushing a narrative that get people bombed. Jordan Lund banned people from saying “from the river to the sea”.
  
  Death to lemmy world.
  
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- Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Tbh, for me idc. Better a tankie than a fascist. And better an ancom than a tankie.
  
  Whichever tankie allies with ancoms to fight the fascist, is my friend.
  
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  - SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Meeting in the middle only ever seems to benefit right wingers.
    
    I’m done doing it.
    
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okwhateverdude@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Can we avoid payment provider middleman fees with EU bank transfers?

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- ruud@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  bunq.me/fhf
  
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  - okwhateverdude@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Awesome! Monthly recurring transfer set. 💪
    
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ohlaph@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I was laud off a few minths ago, but once I’m up and running again, I’ll drop some coin.

In the meantime, I would live to help 9n a technical level. I have docker experience, but limited and would love to relearn ansible since it has been a few years. Let me know how I can help!

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- Aneb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Such a mood I would love to contribute to projects and expand my skills and experience but I don’t know how to get on the ground level. I have docker and C experience but its been a while since I’ve applied them.
  
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TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The first 4 people who click this link will get a free membership to the fedihosting foundation patreon:

www.patreon.com/mastodonworld/…/E235F16A97

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- woelkchen@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Your comment has really been buried under all that spam. Didn’t think I could redeem it 16 hours later. Thanks a lot.
  
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- ruud@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah.. on PieFed.world we can see who downvoted..
  
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  - ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Pretty sure you can on Lemmy too as I’ve been banned from a community simply for downvoting something in it.
    
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- Dayroom7485@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Let‘s gooo!
  
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TangledHyphae@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
This platform needs more political and thought diversity, as of now it’s far-left only. I will donate when rational discussion happens without promoting political violence.

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- minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  That’s the most right wing thing I’ve read all day. Give me stuff or I’ll sit here and watch you die.
  
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  - TangledHyphae@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    “Say what I want you to say or I’ll assassinate you in public.”
    
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- Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Fuck off Nazi scum
  
  No “rational” discussion can occur without kicking out fascists!
  
  They have been responsible for 80 million deaths. Rot in hell nazis.
  
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- Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Fuck off Nazi scum
  
  No “rational” discussion can occur without kicking out fascists!
  
  They have been responsible for 80 million deaths. Rot in hell nazis.
  
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ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Set up a recurring donation. Lemmy and Mastodon are great and I want them to stick around.

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suodrazah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ve setup a monthly contribution on GH. Only 10AUD/month sorry but it is sustainable for me.

I use Linux, Docker, etc, professionally all day every day and can lend at least few hours a month to technical help if you want. Also happy to moderate some communities if they are lacking (I love power trips /s). I don’t use any social media outside of Lemmy (Abandoned Reddit completely, and have no interest in Facebook, Twitter, etc).

Thanks for the hard work everyone.

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DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
!taneggs@lemmy.ca proudly offers support. Pikas love grass roots!

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HowRu68@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Done.

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n0respect@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I am sorry for being poor

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finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Is the situation changing for you since the post?

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- ruud@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yes! I think we might even have 500 to 1000 EUR more than we spend this month, so we can save that for next months. A lot of these are one-time donations, so I’ll have to see how much we’ll have next month, I’ll keep you updated on the blog.
  
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  - Aneb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    When I get paid I really want to support but I’ve been jobless for a while. I hope .world gets the resources it needs!
    
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expatriado@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I see your preferred donation platform is euro based, do you get good $ to eu exchange? or shoul i go patreon?

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- ruud@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Payments are handled by Stripe or Paypal for both platforms so that doesn’t matter
  
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Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Despite the spamming, the banned guy’s comment is right.
Not giving a cent to censorship and genocide collaborators.

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- absquatulate@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I mean, I get being reluctant to donate or not being able to, but using a software someone worked to develop and a platform someone pays to maintain AND acting high and mighty about it (on that very platform) is rich. The entitlement on some of you people is staggering, I swear.
  
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- Cobrachicken@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Then why not also refrain from commenting?
  
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  - Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’m against genocide and anyone who thinks they can stop me from talking about it can go fuck themselves, that’s why.
    
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- Taalnazi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah, we won’t give a cent to MAGA fascists. They censor everything. Fuck them.
  
  But Lemmy, yes, all it needs.
  
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  - Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Sure, give your money to the Blue MAGA
    
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BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m really confused by what link donates to who. Can you just give us a simple link that’s like “click here to donate to lemmy.world”?

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- qaz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  The Bunq link goes directly to their bank account
  
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  - okwhateverdude@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    And you don’t need to use bunq’s UI to make a transfer from your own bank, just the IBAN (which is revealed after clicking the bunq link)
    
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errer@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Question about BUNQ: There’s this string that looks like an IBAN (NL78 BUNQ 2108 3219 85). If I send money using a recurring bank transfer to that, will it work? Will substantial fees be incurred as a result?

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- ruud@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yes it will work. And this way there will be no fees.
  
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  - NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Oh, fantastic. I’ll double my monthly donation. Thanks!
    
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KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I have doubled my donation!

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- ghterve@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Did that make it go up?
  
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  - KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah, it did. Are you doing your part? 🤨
    
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BJ_and_the_bear@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Hello. Is GitHub sponsor a good way to donate? Do all funds go to Fedihosting? Other link shows currency in Euros but I am in USA and want to donate $

Thanks!

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- ruud@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yes GH is a good way, but I’m sure you can use $ on Patreon as well?
  
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  - moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I was looking for a $20 tier on Patreon, but maybe I should try GitHub then.
    
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tomkatt@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Happy to help, I made a donation.

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pugjesusisapedophile@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Lmfao as if I’d give this shithole run by morons a single cent

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Nikls94@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Saved, upvotes and commented to find this post easier

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LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Why are users going down? Is the fediverse in danger?

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- MrKaplan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  afaik the decrease in users has mostly been on mastodon.world, where the suspected reason is to a large degree requiring registration applications to prevent spam bots. this seems to scare off a lot of users unfortunately. i’m not involved in the mastodon stuff, but afaik there is currently no system similar to what we have on lemmy or piefed to automatically accept applications after certain checks were successful.
  
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  - NoMoneyForGenociders@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Good. You deserve it.
    
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- IMALlama@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  In total the fediverse is stable or slightly growing. ActivityPub is how fediverse instances exchang information. More and more platforms are getting stood up and there are also a bunch of instances of those platforms.
  
  Platforms are things like Friendica, Lemmy, Mastodon, PeerTube, Funkwhale, Hubzilla, Misskey, and now Pifed. Instances are things like lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
  
  This approach was intentional. No single platform or service controls everything and if someone starts misbehaving it’s easy enough to go elsewhere.
  
  That’s not to say there aren’t downaides. We have a ton of communities for similar topics on different instances and/or platforms. Each of these communities need to be moderated, have an active user base, etc.
  
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Jakule17@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Is there a bottom limit for bank transfer, below which they would not be profitable? Can I set up a monthly payment for, for example, 1 or even 0,25€?

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- ruud@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  No for bank transfer there’s no bottom limit
  
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Furbag@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Donated. Hope to see the project continue well into the future.

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OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Y’all do great work. Best of luck on the donations!

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ZenArcherRed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
the ai thing doesnt work for me since the update. Help?

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