A solution is not to use any product, service or software made by MS or google.
Microsoft is is bed with Google now, in a worse, more OS-integrated way than Mozilla was. This timeline sucks.
Submitted 1 month ago by 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 1 month ago
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Not a choice in most business settings. Windows servers, Microsoft cloud, Windows workstations, and a 365 to complement. You have a better, equally integrated solution? Because, if so, I’d love to hear it.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You have a better, equally integrated solution?
I mean, we do. Linux OS, Libre Office, Apache servers, Linux Cloud Service of Choice, PostgreSQL.
But you need techs familiar with those systems and businesses eager to implement Linux at a foundational level early on in the company’s development. Because a lot of businesses outsource their IT early on, and because a lot of end-user hardware has Microsoft pre-installed, and because the major IT outsourcers all get big kickbacks from Microsoft to be the default solutions, and because Microsoft has embedded itself at the university level at a global scale, and because Microsoft has successfully lobbied itself as the premier US contractor of choice for federal and state IT setups, it can be harder to find professionals willing and able to configure a Linux environment. This is assuming the company founders even think to ask for alternatives.
That’s not to say it never happens. FFS, some of the biggest competitors to Microsoft - Amazon and Google most notably - have relied on Linux/PostgreSQL architecture to keep their overhead low and their integrations non-exclusive. But they’re exceptional precisely because they laid the groundwork early.
The problem isn’t that integrated solutions don’t exist. The problem is that most CTOs don’t embrace them early on in the company’s development and find themselves trapped in the Microsoft ecosystem well after the point a transition would be economical.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m transitioning my (very small) office to OnlyOffice and OwnCloud this summer. I have a lot of autonomy so I can basically just make the decision.
I’m choosing OnlyOffice over LibreOffice because it’s a more similar to 360 an I will have to help the staff with very little tech literacy through the transition.
We’re not ready to transition the OS just yet (and may not be able to), but as the hardware ages, we may change over some of the less essential systems. Probably Ubuntu or Zorin.
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The integration is Microsoft’s monopoly behaviour which anti-trust organisation no longer put a stop to. There are alternatives but they struggle to match the level of integration Microsoft can achieve owning and making all of the office suite.
However European local and regional government have been moving over to Office alternatives such as Collabora, Onlyoffice and Libreoffice. Collabora & Onlyoffice are designed for online use and collaboration.
There are also alternatives to the Exchange email system, with Nextcloud one of a few that can either be bought as a service or self deployed by organisations and individuals.
The biggest benefits are total control and privacy of data, plus better cost. Microsoft clients don’t generally get any of this, with the increasing push to integrate online services and try to forcably up-sell by bundling in stuff customers don’t need but have to buy to get the things they want or need. Microsoft rely on inertia and vendor lock-in; once you become dependent on their services it makes it seem impossible to get out and move to a new system.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You’re the employee? Why would it matter to you what they use? Do your job, go home.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 month ago
People will complain about everything, but never just switch to Firefox, huh? You can’t be helped then. There is just the one browser (and a couple of forks of it).
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
You’re making a lot of assumptions here. I use Firefox. But business do not.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Often people have jobs which involve computers, which force them to use whatever software the 90 year old running the company thinks is appropriate.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
That wouldn’t help anything since the problem is Microsoft forcing Edge
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
One could Possibly switch to Linux or other non-Microsoft OS to fix that
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
photograph of monitor
Does OP know about screenshots or alt text? 🤦
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Right. And then you take a picture of the printout of the emailed PDF on a wooden table, we know the old ways.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 month ago
i haven’t worked in a business envorenment in a while does this come before or after you fax it to your recipient
winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
ShareX is the way
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Super key*
londos@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I wonder if it’s an early response to the talk of breaking up Google and Chrome. MS gets more people onboarded to Edge and Google still gets your browser level metrics.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t really understand the issue here. Why does anyone care if you can sign into Google services on Edge?
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
It’s not the ability that’s bothersome (that part is fine, and has been there). It’s the fact that this is part of the first boot screen you see on Edge now, with dark patterns to get you to do it.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Oh sure, that makes sense. I never use Edge except when I’m testing a windows server VM.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
Because my precious data bellyachers & tinfoil hatters basically.
Am I the only one who wonders how to get this in Edge? I like my shit integrated.
Allero@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Around Lemmy, your kind is quite rare.
This place naturally accumulates privacy advocates that are indeed bothered by this.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I doubt that
I wouldn’t be surprised if Google doesn’t consent to any of this
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Booted my desktop since my work computers windows and I game mostly on my steam deck, and holy shit is Manjaro fast as hell compared to windows in 2025. Like I’m so used to clicking and waiting and in Manjaro you click and it’s just there.
Man fuck windows.
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Yeah, just started using W11 for work and it’s insane how often I need to wait for character to buffer in after I typed something.
I shouldn’t be faster than my computer in this day and age, and yet here we are.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 month ago
I’m currently horrified how my (IT illiterate) employer said we need to update all our 20+ laptops to Win11 now. Consumer laptops that barely run Win10.
To be clear, I’m not the IT guy here, though I do sometimes help out.
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 month ago
True or not, I’m one email away from total freedom.
Just wonder about anti spam measures.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
True or not, I’m one email away from total freedom.
uh can you expand on this?
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I have 1 gmail, and their anti spam has usually been very effective, I have to find some other email with an effective anti spam before jumping the boat.
brax@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Edge has been Chromium based for a while now. Hell, a lot of the 365 stuff will only work in Edge or Chrome.
It’s wild how corporations are so openly cool with paying license fees to give everything away to Microsoft.
I would have told them to pound sand as soon as they tried to push the 365 and Azure shit if I was a business.
Hupf@feddit.org 1 month ago
a lot of the 365 stuff will only work in Edge or Chrome.
Can you give a few examples?
Anecdotally, I use 365 on Firefox at work and haven’t noticed browser specific issues yet.
brax@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Trying to sign into work stuff will throw MCAS unless I’m in Edge or Chrome.
ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How can we be sure this is genuine? I can see there is an opt out option. Thats very unMicrosoft like
😭
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
What’s the opt-out? “Continue without”? Same options as the ms account screen before it.
ForgottenUsername@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Try and continue without a Microsoft account when installing windows 11
some_random_nick@lemmy.world 1 month ago
To put it into perspective: if Leibniz was right and this is truely the best of all worlds, be happy that you don’t live in any of the other, more shittier timelines. Like the one where Apple sells monitor stands for $1000. Oh, wait…
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is literally the standard Google sync account stuff in every Chromium browser. Don’t want it? Pick a browser that isn’t Chrome based. That basically leaves Firefox or a handful of brand new alpha buggy browsers no one has heard of with dubious update potential.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
With a Microsoft privacy statement, and only available in Edge as of last week?
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s a screen made by Microsoft to match their aesthetic and settings pages, of course. But it’s the exact same Google account sync system that every Chromium has, unless you’re specifically using an unGoogled version.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What? How was Mozilla ever in any kind of OS integrated way in bed with Google?
Google was just the default search engine in their browser. That it, and it’s dead easy to change the default search engine in Firefox.Why are you making a completely false equivalence, to make Mozilla look bad?
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
That’s what I was saying. Everyone gave Mozilla flack for their deal with Google, and here MS is doing it way, way worse. I actually don’t mind that Google was the default search engine in ff. It made it usable out of the box for the vast majority of users, and the minority had to click two button to change it. Seemples.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
OK fair enough, but that’s not what it looked like to me when I read the headline.
I don’t use anything Microsoft, and I use only very few Google things for basic functionality of my phone.
rpl6475@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
[deleted]Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
That’s exactly what I’m typing this on.
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Microsoft is is bed with Google now,
[Edit. Fixed the headline a bit, due to my poor phrasing]lol
Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Edge has always been Chrome with a Microsoft badge on.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
Once upon a time, it wasn’t. Then, it was.
Greyghoster@aussie.zone 1 month ago
What happens at work is work but at home there is always Linux and Libreoffice.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The tech bro corporate class is kind of in bed with each other. Individuals at Palantir and Meta were given the rank of Lt. Colonel the other day. They all contribute to each other’s data (selling and trading it to the same data brokers). Have similar people funding them, using and buying their products. Lots of the messaging and cultural stances they take are similar. Their heads know each other, or have ways to contact each other. Some have histories of working at the same companies, knowing the same people. Being on the same end of the class war.
devolution@lemmy.world 1 month ago
[deleted]possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Racism intensifies
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
What am I missing, hasn’t this been around for like months and months now?
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Came to 11 pro during last week’s updates.
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 1 month ago
If these two companies are in bed with each other, they are hate-fucking each other though. Carnal pleasure but no love lost.
I don’t find this that infuriating. And you have choices to run a different browser. Granted, most of them are chromium based. Edge’s only use case is to download a Firefox fork and/or a better chromium that is neither Edge nor Chrome.
TheFogan@programming.dev 1 month ago
I’m somewhat confused on the phrasing of this headline. “more OS integrated than Mozilla was?”. Is that meant to be more OS integrated than IE was? To my knowledge there’s some grey areas around mozilla’s actions recently, but I’ve never heard of them integrating into the OS.
But yeah I gotta agree on the core… If you don’t want want big tech spying on you… getting away from windows is necessary.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Google’s MS deal makes it more integrated into the Windows, than Google was integrated into Mozilla’s FF browser. Odd phrasing, I’ll give you that lol
yesman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This isn’t cooperation, this is rivalry. The point is for you to use Edge instead of Chrome.
Just another skirmish in the war for what matters most: which tech-giant is the default choice.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Meanwhile, on Lemmy, I suffer under the tyranny of Big Penguin
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Big penguin is no joke. Just last week a penguin busted down my front door and forced me to compile my own kernel from source!
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Heyoo!
heavy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They don’t want you to know you can just take the source code home, they can’t arrest you.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 1 month ago
You mean, chromium-based browser vs. chromium-based browser?
I know, it’s about data mining (don’t call it telemetry), but still. Funny. I bet they didn’t even remove all Google links from the source code.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
I’m sure that’s an end goal here, but logging into a Google account through Edge, integrates it into the Windows OS. Sort of like (but not as intensely as) logging into a Microsoft account through Edge. So, while, yes, it’s end goal is through rivalry, the method is a partnership.
vandsjov@feddit.dk 1 month ago
You log into your Google account so Microsoft can take your browser data into Edge, especially the bookmarks and passwords parts so that you automatically sign in to your favourite websites, when in Edge. Microsoft also offers to copy data from your Chrome profile (on your computer, do not signing in to Google) on a periodic interval, so that any new data that comes in Chrome (bookmarks etc.) shows up in Edge. The whole deal is that Microsoft copies your Chrome experience into Edge so you won’t notice that Microsoft in a random update changed your default browser to Edge again. Google don’t want this as it’s only Microsoft that stands to gain anything from this. Microsoft is using all kinds of tactics to gain more users to Edge and hope these users will use to Bing to search.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’m not sure it’s a partnership. It looks and reads like the standard authorized data sharing setup. Anyone can configure that. It uses an open protocol that’s standardized, let’s users control the information shared with explicit consent and is basically what you want out of any entity that holds all your crap. The only thing it’s really lacking is a standard protocol for sharing the actual data.
Linux distributions have it.
Microsoft using Google’s public documented API is a long way from a partnership.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Edge is a Chromium browser. This is the standard Chrome sync stuff from nearly every one of those.
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 1 month ago
Yeah exactly this. But the bandwagon has left the station at this point.