As much as I appreciate Japanese culture, they also created Oyakodon, which literally means âparent-and-child rice bowlâ. Like damn, Japan, whatâd those birds ever do to you to necessitate multi-generational violence?
Seriously Jesus, who was doing that for that to be added đ
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Enkers@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
to clarify a bit, you get both the meat of the chicken as well as the egg of the chicken
spankmonkey@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
They made themselves taste delicious!
match@pawb.social â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
they didnât tho we did that
AeonFelis@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I like Rabbi Joseph Bekhor Shorâs interpretation. Itâs far from being accepted in Judaism - probably because it makes so much sense.
The interpretation is based on the fact that the passage originally appears in Exodus twice - but not in a section about Kosher laws. It appears in sections about Bikurim - bringing offerings to the temple:
- www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+23%3AâŚ
- www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34%3AâŚ
The very same verse that contains that law also contains a law about Bikkurim:
Bring the best firstfruits of your land to the house of the Lord your God.
You must not boil a young goat in its motherâs milk.
Because these two laws seem so unrelated, Rabbi Joseph Bekhor Shor suggests a different way to read the second part.
In Hebrew, the root of the word âcookâ/âboilâ is B-SH-L - and this is also the root of the word âripeâ/âmatureâ. Because of that, itâs possible to read âyou must not boil a young goat in its motherâs milkâ as âyou must not let a young goat mature while drinking its motherâs milkâ.
This makes the second part of the verse a repetition of the first part - a pattern very common in the Old Testament as a (vain) attempt to prevent misinterpretations. Reading it like so, both parts mean âthe offerings should be as young and as fresh as possibleâ.
That reading is a little bit odd - but not too odd in biblical language standards, and it makes so much more sense in the context where the passage appears.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Copium at its finest.
Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I donât think this word means what you think it means⌠what is âcopiumâ about discussing possible origins of dogma?
OP is literally saying âthis widespread institutionally-reinforced religious practice/dietary restriction could all be due to a mistranslationâ, what exactly are they coping with?
goldfndr@lemmy.ml â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Given how many homographs and other homonyms English has (and presumably other languages, Iâve definitely seen one Hebrew homograph when vowels are removed), it doesnât sound like a complete stretch for this to be a similar homonym situation.
barsoap@lemm.ee â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You know what also doesnât make sense? Not boiling chicken in milk. I can guarantee you thatâs not the milk of the chickenâs mother. The âdonât boil a young goat in the milk of its motherâ at least has a proper interpretation in the sense of âthere were some people who did that and God came and God said âyo thatâs nasty, stop itââ. Something about not using sacrifice as an opportunity to practice transgression.
In the end I think the Torah is just a tool for Jews to have something to argue about endlessly.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
In the end I think scripture is just a tool for Jews to have something to argue about endlessly.
Considering how thatâs the main way to gain fame in Judaism - youâre not wrong.
Live_your_lives@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
According to what Iâve read, the leading theory among scholars today is that this passage is a reference to pagan Canaanite rituals and we have some evidence in the literature of the time that this was indeed practiced.
9point6@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
More oats per oats
I have dairy in my diet, but when it comes to porridge, oat milk only please
frezik@midwest.social â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This would have come from a time when ancient Judaism was evolving out of its polytheistic roots. The early sections of the Hebrew scriptures tended to treat other gods as existing, but youâre only supposed to worship YHWH.
Likely, there was some specific ritual that had been used in local polytheistic practices, and itâs specifically telling you not to do that.
This is an issue for the sort of fundamentalists who insist that absolutely everything in the bible is useful for modern times. You say that, but then whatâs this goat milk thing about? How about all the idolatry prohibitions when many modern Christians wonât regularly encounter religions that use idols? Why is there a whole book devoted to Solomonâs horny poetry?
You can kinda come up with answers to those, but they will invariably involve some kind of âreading between the linesâ. That is, reading assumptions into the text that arenât explicitly stated. Which fundamentalists also say youâre not supposed to do.
Alaknar@lemm.ee â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
My favourite is that you cannot wear clothes made from more than one kind of thread.
Which means, in essence, that in the XXI c., literally everybody, including priests, is a sinner, and goes to hell, because everything is a blend these days.
m4xie@lemmy.ca â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Even in medical times, clothes were usually made with wool fabric and sewn with linen thread for strength. Some Jewish communities would only wear kosher clothing sewn with wool thread.
andros_rex@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Not Jewish - but my understandings: Those are ritual laws. Non Jews arenât bound by them. I donât think the idea is ever that you âgo to hellâ for not following those rules in Judaism.
Itâs more that you have a covenant with God, where you have agreed to follow a set of rules. The rules themselves are less important than the fact that you have an agreement about this with the higher power - that you keep yourself pure and honor that power through these rules. I think in the historical context a lot of the purity rules are a way of distinguishing your group from others - creating a shared culture around those rules.
Klear@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Why is there a whole book devoted to Solomonâs horny poetry?
I have a theoryâŚ
youCanCallMeDragon@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Then you extrapolate that a the only way to stay kosher is to never prepare meat with dairy. No philly cheese steak, no butter.
m4xie@lemmy.ca â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The rabbinical standard is that you should have 6 hours between a meat meal and a dairy meal.
And yeah, no butter. Kosher delis will use schmaltz (a kind of animal fat) instead of butter.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This kept happening, and was eventually responsible for a substantial portion of the events in Unsong.
airman@infosec.pub â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Thank you! I was hoping to see a comment about Unsong!
Ziglin@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I mean I do feel weird whenever I do this. The solution is soy milk!
coherent_domain@infosec.pub â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
One of my colleague like to have roasted potato with vegan mayo. So he is having potatoes cooked in oil together with potatos emulsified with oil.
zod000@lemmy.ml â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
That sounds like an interesting vegan mayo recipe. My wife has tried a few and none contained potatoes.
usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Same reason itâs weird to serve chicken with eggs. No need to wipe out the whole family in one meal
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Using an egg to coat the tendies is delicious
TachyonTele@lemm.ee â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâm taking that as a challenge
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I usually refer to a chicken omelette as a Family Reunion.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
opposite idea from mixing powdered milknin fresh milk for âmore milk per milk.â
Formfiller@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Wow yea that sounds pretty sociopathic
FenrirIII@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Itâs why I refuse to eat chicken and eggs
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
How about fried chicken?
FenrirIII@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Doesnât really count since the egg is used as an ingredient just to stick breadcrumbs on. Iâm talking about scrambled eggs, etc.
goldfndr@lemmy.ml â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Might also avoid corn at the same time, if youâre not getting pasture-fed eggs.
lugal@sopuli.xyz â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Reminds me of the milk rice I made with rice milk. Not a good idea. I generally donât like rice milk so that might be why. Muesli with oat milk is fine
DarkCloud@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Wait is goat meat boiled in goat milk particularly tasty? Whatâs the deal? Anyone done a small portion?
BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Buttermilk roasted chicken is delicious, so I assume itâs a similar lactose reaction. And youâd use goats milk because you have goats.
remotelove@lemmy.ca â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Butter is just milk with extra steps. There are quite a few things you can cook with milk (or specifically creams) that you would typically use butter for that you wouldnât think. Steak is a good example.
Of course itâs not a 1:1 replacement, but that is kind of the point. The question is: How of you prefer your milk fats to taste when cooked? (If you are cooking a steak, are you after a specific butter flavor or a deeper cooked dairy flavor?)
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Milk-braised veal is a thing; perhaps it is tasty.
HelluvaKick@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I canât believe my friend broke containment this hard I woke up to it on lemmy lmfao
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâm conceptually opposed to oat milk generally.
qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
It makes for a mean cappuccino, and is environmentally much, much lower impact.
Linearity@infosec.pub â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The national dish of Jordan:
PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
And thatâs the justification for why rabbi-created kosher laws say âno cheeseburgersâ
Separate your milk plates from your meat or you may boil a young goat in its mothers milk!
Shardikprime@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This comes due to the conceptual meaning of the motherâs milk as something that god made for nurture of the calf
Doing this would be extremely cruel and hate against the intended purpose
The principle was to instill a sense of profound abhorrence against cruel and unnatural acts as guidance towards perfection demanded of them to be able to be godâs chosen people.
Jesus managed to completely fulfill the spirit of the law. Since that moment it was abolished for a new law.
Animals were only a part of it and thinking more about it, the Law contained a number of similar injunctions against cruelty to animals and safeguards against working contrary to the natural order of things.
For instance, the also Law included commands that prohibited sacrificing an animal unless it had been with its mother for at least seven days, slaughtering both an animal and its offspring on the same day, and taking from a nest both a mother and her eggs or offspring
(Leviticus 22:27, 28; Deuteronomy 22:6, 7)
bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I sort of used to have the same problem. You know, if youâre gonna add oat milk to your oatmeal, you might as well just use water. But, whatever the reason, it sites taste better with oat milk.
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I bet that tastes dope.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Deuteronomy is originally from the Hebrew Bible. According to Jewish mythology, the book is from the sermons of Moses. Though, itâs believed to be much more recent (something like a 1000 years) than the time period where the figure of Moses (or the person(s) he was based on) would have existed. But, even taking Jewish and Christian mythologies at their word, Jesus had nothing to do with that rule. Also, Jesus probably meant for this rule to end for adherents of Christianity.
So, feel free to boil a young goat in its motherâs milk. Jesus is A-ok with that.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
And further back? Babylonian? Thereâs some Gilgamesh and Atrahasis in the bibleâŚ
thiseggowaffles@lemmy.zip â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Further back than Babylon. Weâre talking ancient Sumer.
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I would be surprised if they were borrowing ideas from other cultures in the area (and vice versa). The various peoples in Mesopotamia were interacting regularly; so, some back and forth of ideas is to be expected. Though as a law code, Deuteronomy seems like it would be more home grown.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I mean, Jesus was Jewish and he wouldnât have called his followers Christians because he hadnât died on a cross yet. He would have called them his Jewish brothers and his followers would have done the same for decades afterwards. He was the leader of a sect of Judaism.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I think what heâs referring to is much of the Jewish traditions (by other Christian denominations) are deemed unnecessary because Jesus fulfilled the prophecies and therefore âpreparationâ for his coming is no longer required.
Itâs a little hard to explain but thatâs why Christians donât do any of the dietary restrictions in the old testament.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Jesus is against the pull out method confirmed.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Itâs been a long time since I read any of the bible, but wasnât there some story in it somewhere where some guy uses that and is immediately killed by god or something? (albiet I think the justification was some sort of tradition obligating him to have a child with a specific person, and his behavior was supposed to be exploiting that without fulfilling his end or something like that).
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is good. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate.
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
How did you get that it was alright to boil a young goat in its motherâs milk out of that?
Sure, he says you could eat the young goat that has been boiled in its motherâs milk.
But nothing saying itâs alright to boil the young goat in the first place, which the OP verse clearly states.
frezik@midwest.social â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Itâs a technicality. Jesus didnât require any of the old law to be followed unless expressly said otherwise. The only two things that were expressly said otherwise was âlove Godâ and âlove your neighborâ. Therefore, baby goat milk boiling is fine.
RattlerSix@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This isnât a sermon of Moses, itâs Godâs law. God said to follow his law forever. Christians ignore it, but Jesus said to follow the law forever too.
letsgo@lemm.ee â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The Old Testament Law/Covenant still stands today and you have the choice to try to follow it if you want. I donât see why you would want to because itâs âto be perfect you have to do all this all your life but TLDR youâve already broken it so itâs impossible and youâre already condemnedâ. Jesus introduced a new covenant (aka testament, hence âNew Testamentâ, also called âNew Covenantâ in some bibles) of grace and forgiveness, which is superior to the Old. We donât ignore the Old as such, we just follow the New because itâs better.
bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
How does this benefit your neighbour?
sylver_dragon@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Itâs Yahwehâs laws but the mythology has it provided by Moses in his sermons to the Israelites. As for Christians ignoring bits of it, part of that is based on saying attributed to Jesus in the gospels (e.g. the bit from Mark I quoted above) and also the simple fact that most religions update themselves as society changes. If anything, I think the Catholic church was smart to have a leader who could receive ânew revelations from Godâ. It lets them update canon, while maintaining the illusion that they arenât just making shit up to stay relevant.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Check, check, probably not, check, check, check, check, maybe?, check, check, check and check.