Looks like “not exactly,” but it’s cool nonetheless:
Chat, is this true?
Submitted 2 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 months ago
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Pfft. Lousy historians and their stupid . . research.
Squirrelsdrivemenuts@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m just happy that this semi-true fact led me to learn a whole lot about the nahuatl and their history!
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 2 months ago
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yep… She’s got some great ‘depictions’ 👉😏👉
xorollo@leminal.space 2 months ago
I need to understand the snake moustache. Is it a water breather so she can breathe above water while she feeds her children. She’s really pulling that overtime.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 months ago
She of the Jade Skirt: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicue
Transtronaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
“Gulf of the Jade Skirt” sounds kinda badass.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
When I lived in Panama City Beach a lot of people called it The Emerald Coast. I’m not the best with colors but if someone asked me the difference between Jade and Emerald I wouldn’t know
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Reminds me of Kali
Chakravanti@monero.town 2 months ago
Like Kali’s grandmother even. She handled the death and life since before there were even animals let alone people.
m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I really wish we could actually “rename” places as their original indigenous names across all America(
s). For example my country had an internal turmoil just to keep the original name of its capital city because we love our native people, and yet we keep the incredibly stupid name of “Land of Colon” (imho most probably the most stupid name of any country, ever) because fuck our native people.SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I like that we call it Denali nowadays instead of Mount McKinley. I’m all for this.
Now if I could just get South Dakota to issue me a new license plate without those faces carved into the mountain…
myrrh@ttrpg.network 2 months ago
([did you miss this one?]<forbes.com/…/trump-renames-denali-to-mount-mckinl…))
vonbaronhans@midwest.social 2 months ago
At this point, I don’t know if America can heal with Mt Rushmore still there. I’m not saying we would blow it up, but I do think it might be good if it was blown up.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Like, just the most recent indigenous names, or from one of them before that? It seems arbitrary to fixate on just one civilization just to avoid fixating on exactly one other.
m4m4m4m4@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean, not that there have been tons of successive civilizations around here, so… And yet if that was the case, you’ll need to take in account that oral lore may have had a hand in the names of places, so it’s mostly improbable that a place has had completely different names with each civilization.
the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m practicing the pronunciation right now.
abbadon420@lemm.ee 2 months ago
No problem, I’m Welsh
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 2 months ago
How are you coping with the over abundance of vowels?
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ve said for decades that in order to cope with an insane world, people take up unjustifiable positions. Some people turn to God, others believe in causes, or whatever.
Mine is that Wales isn’t real and your language is a psyop. I’m sorry.
qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Somebody teach me the basic pronounciation, so I can make a slightly less fool of myself when trying to say it, and I’m on board with that.
fin@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
t͡ʃaːɬt͡ʃiwˈt͡ɬikʷeː
TheTux@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Damn, those are some crazy phonetics
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
this is somehow harder to pronounce
geogeogeo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m all for finding a middle ground, which is why I will call it the Gulf of Canada, USA, and Mexico. Or Gulf of C.U.M. for short.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Well played sir, well played.
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
BP Playground
TheGoddessAnoia@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I’ll do this starting NOW, if someone will just post a pronunciation guide! Please?
Speiser0@feddit.org 2 months ago
Chalchiuhtlicue [t͡ʃaːɬt͡ʃiwˈt͡ɬikʷeː]
sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Best I can do is this: chal-chew-KLEE-kway
With some help from Forvo. The [t͡ɬ] sounds like KL to my Canadian ears and not TL (which doesn’t happen at the start of syllable in English anyway).
TheGoddessAnoia@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Thanks: that’s gonna take some practise!
Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes please
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
My gal spelt out “Chalchiuhtlicueyecati” but abbreviated “associated with.”
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 months ago
If human bodies are mostly water, does that mean Chalchiuhtlicue has dominion over us, too? 🤔
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Given how we found that out, I would think the god that would have domain over us would be a Japanese god
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 months ago
What are you doing, step-god sama?
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 months ago
No, your Kawai ass god, isn’t going to dom anyone worthwhile nowadays.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
If we want to rename things (Mexico was a LOT larger in the olden times) why don’t we call it “Gulf of the Americas?”
Oh because it doesn’t support imperial single minded nationalism and isn’t USA centered
double_quack@lemm.ee 2 months ago
America is a continent, not a country. “Americas” is as correct as “Europes”. But certainly those who decided to call it gulf of america are not aware of that.
Zerush@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Agree, at least it’s the original name
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Anybody got a pronunciation key?
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 months ago
I think nobody would complain if you pronounced it “Cha Cha cat”
wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
If I could heard that pronounced I would totally start call it that too
xorollo@leminal.space 2 months ago
Same. I see the wiki link, but those symbols mean nothing to me.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 months ago
@Sal@mander.xyz - Do you know? I couldn’t find many sources but I only speak English.
Sal@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Hah, sure, let’s investigate 🕵️♂️
The term ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’ was added as a potential Aztec name to the English wikipedia page on February 15, 2025, by user ‘Mxn’.
The description of the edit is the following:
Frum says the Aztecs had no specific name for the gulf, which is plausible in a practical sense, but Fernández gives a specific religious name and is more of a reliable source on this topic
So, it is clear that the term was identified by user Mxn by performing an active online search.
If we investigate a bit further, we can see that the term Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl is described to be a name for the ‘Gulf of Mexico’ in the spanish Wikipedia: es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl
This page was updated to include the description of Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl as the ‘Gulf of Mexico’ in September 16, 2018. I don’t have access to the citation so I don’t know if the citation specifies if this term is still known/used.
If you check the history you will find that the same ‘Mxn’ fixed a typo in this page on February 15, 2025.
So, from this sequence of events it is highly likely that the term ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’ was included into the Gulf of Mexico wiki page as a result of the user Mxn performing an active search for Aztec names for the Gulf of Mexico.
I can find no evidence of native people referring to the gulf of Mexico as ‘Chalchiuhtlicueyecatl’. I can find no mention of this becoming viral in Mexico.
I find it highly unlikely that:
- User Mxn added an obscure Aztec term to the Wiki page two weeks ago AND
- This same obscure Aztec term coincidentally began being used by Mexican natives, and this trend became popular enough to be noticed by foreign media but not by Mexican media
More likely…
- Mxn actively looked for a term and updated the English wiki
- Someone read the English wiki, thought this would be a nice story, made the meme
And this concludes my little investigation 🧐
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Haha, fantastic. Thank you for your work. ALAS! We have uncovered a deeper mystery! 🔍🔎🔎🔍🔎 🤔
Is this the book? annas-archive.org/…/fb8569c405991107b987fda775f49…
PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Damn, look at you being awesome!
indepndnt@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The post in the screen shot is dated February 14, 2025 though?
zanyllama52@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Where and when was this decided by the Indigenous people of North America?
I’m interested to learn more about this. I’ve never heard this name when I studied the history of North America,
lath@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Anyone else seeing the part about licking cats?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
No because it’s not a homogeneous people so it would have many different names
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 2 months ago
I don’t know if the name is too long or too short …
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Not for the same reasons, but “also no, sorry. Still going with Gulf of Mexico.”
I can meet you halfway and pronounce Mexico correctly, but that is beyond my abilities and I’m not ashamed to admit it lol.
multifariace@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You are doing it the wong way. The wight way to do it is to acknowledge the victory of the colonizers. Take Denali for example.
SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I’m not up to speed on this I guess. I thought bringing back the name Denali was a good thing. Is there some more to the story that I’m missing?
multifariace@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This same order gets rid of Denali and puts back Mt McKinley.
yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I unironically support this
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
while I like this, I don’t think I would be able to pronounce it, lol
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
The assholes are trying to retake Denali from the indigenous people too.