Inside you there are two wolves
We're all a little crazy
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DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Both gay & both loud af, at the same time.
Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Want some get some
RavenFellBlade@startrek.website 6 months ago
Sorry about that transporter malfunction.
Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Skymt@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And they were delicious
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 months ago
IIRC the “other consciousness” is the internal monologue or internal visualization you experience when thinking
There’s a potentially related theory too that the origin of religion is internal narrator thinkers having perceived the internal narrator as a second entity who was issuing them commands and beliefs rather than their own internal dialogue.
These people would claim to be “prophets” and basically evangelize whatever presence they ascribed responsibility for the internal narrator to. Leading to more people believing their internal narrators are also these divine forces speaking to them.
Not to dunk on rural americans, but a phenomena like this could also explain the recent evangelical movement in the US considering how much emphasis is placed on the personal relationship and communication with God, these people might actually just not realize their own thoughts and ascribe all thought process as the voice of the big man himself.
Stonewyvvern@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lived in SE USA most of my life…the majority of the most ridiculous fundamentalists don’t have an inner monologue. They speak but there is nothing going on upstairs except life processes.
The way they cling to ideas from others explains why they cling so tightly…they never had one of their own.
Because of this phenomenal outlook they typically adhere to the first idea that comes around and dismiss everything else as false.
Critical thinking is not applicable to everyone.
root_beer@midwest.social 6 months ago
Absence of an inner monologue does not mean that there is no thought process. I’ve done just fine without one myself.
Umbrias@beehaw.org 6 months ago
*origin of prophets as they are understood today
The first religions were generally flavors of animism.
PiJiNWiNg@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Makes you wonder what happens to a person who now accepts the voices in their head as divine mandate…
Fungah@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I read… Something once and they suggested the past we may have collectively possessed a more direct relationship with rekigi9n like you’re talking about. That for some reason or another we don’t tend to “hear the voice of hod” like we once did. Out relationship with our internal self had changed. Maybe it was bred out by our tendency to kill the religious folks who disagree the most with whatever the dumpster jour religion at the time is.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Makes sense, in a lot of spiritual practices I’ve been involved in, hearing such a voice is believed to be a higher power.
Unless you mean thoughts themselves, and not something similar but deeper…
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I mean that for a lot of these people thought and that higher power are one in the same.
They believe God is a speaker who instructs them via their inner dialogue, or for seers, by “visions” which could be better identified as a similar phenomenon but involving visual thought rather than inner dialogue thought.
nehal3m@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
My speaking consciousness says there isn’t.
ignotum@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My non-verbal consciousness says
Emmie@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I will always held belief that we are part of the spiritual greater universe and our brains are antennas. At the same time I won’t allow this belief to interfere with my daily logic and scientific pursuits.
Fungah@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I, too, did a heroic dose of mushrooms once
s_s@lemmy.one 6 months ago
There is the idea that it’d be easier for the universe to spontaneously create a single consciousness that knows and experiences everything and thinks they are you rather than creating a big bang that naturally leads to beings with consciences such as you.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 6 months ago
That’s nonsense. Why would that be easier?
And physics tend to reduce energy state (contrary to biology), not make things easier.
mac@infosec.pub 6 months ago
Yeah I read a theory like that, something along the lines of you could not actually have existed until .3s ago but you were created with all of your current memories and experiences
K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
That is such a weird way of putting it I believe its more the single consciousness wants to like experience because knowing everything is like pointless so it fragmentes into these piece of its conscienceness and we populate the universe experiencing. Maybe different theories but also not my theory lol
Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The vibe when you pay monthly tribute to your landed lord. 👌
HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Ah the Soul Antenna theory, yyes I hope that’s valid
01101000_01101001@mander.xyz 6 months ago
I’m aware of my other consciousness. She’s cool. I try to be more like her.
Omgboom@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I wish mine would stop giving me intrusive thoughts
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 6 months ago
Done, they can’t do that anymore. Anything else I can do for you today?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 6 months ago
I call it my customer service face.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m pretty sure mine hates me and makes me so stupid stuff whenever I’m distracted.
DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Only the Baron Harkonnen speaks in my head, so hah!
Aganim@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Kill the Abomination!
DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I love the way that’s said in the audiobook. Cheers!
xpinchx@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Fear is the mind killer.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
You’re not gonna give us a source?
fossilesque@mander.xyz 6 months ago
smeg@feddit.uk 6 months ago
It is proposed that it is possible that a person may develop two separate conscious entities within their one brain after undergoing a corpus callosotomy.
So unless you’ve had your brain cut in half to treat your epilepsy then you’re probably alright
No conclusive evidence of the proposed phenomenon has been discovered.
ExtraMedicated@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So that’s why my constant inner-monologue is verbose and meaningful, but I can’t communicate for shit?
gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Nah, that’s just anxiety my dude.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 6 months ago
So not one but two suffering entities?
Somehow that makes it worse.
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
What, you guys haven’t killed the other one? You truly aren’t minmaxing your brain usage capacity.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You don’t kill the other one. You work on coordinated them so you can consciously apply yourself to two different things at once.
glitch1985@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Multi-threading.
JoYo@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
oh there’s way more than two minds in your brain.
EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I too have ADHD
OofShoot@beehaw.org 6 months ago
As far as I understand, the line gets even blurrier then that. Apparently quiet a lot of the subsections of your brain do things that can be interpreted as conciseness, but we experience it as one unified thing.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Can vouch for that. Ive always been of two minds on any given subject
skarn@lemmy.today 6 months ago
It certainly feels like that at times. The key being the non verbal part, it’s the part that feels things i can’t explain, like I have to poke and probe some part of my brain by imagining, to try and see how it reacts to certain thoughts and observe the emotions, then try to put it into words to explain it to the conscious part of my mind. Like, the subconscious is not unconscious, it’s perfectly conscious just not verbal.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 months ago
Neither of mine can do speech.
Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
make us whole
Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
This hypothesis is bullshit. There are far more than just two consciousnesses.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Well looks like someone broke the barrier because this smart ass up here is always giving me shit!
ag_roberston_author@beehaw.org 6 months ago
Bicameral Mentality: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mentality
It’s a concept that is quite well explored by the first season of Westworld.
BluesF@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The only thing I can think of that this could refer to is split brain patients who have undergone a specific medial procedure once used to treat epilepsy. It’s possible, although not well understood, that the two halves of their brain operate sort of independently, and only one has access to speech.
It’s a very interesting topic, well worth diving into! But it’s also very muddy, there is contrasting evidence for and against the “two mind” theory.
Anyway, I’m fairly certain this “theory” does not apply to healthy brains which have not undergone this procedure.
Fleur__@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Inside you there are 2 wolves
Transtronaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Is this egg_irl?
Jimbo@yiffit.net 6 months ago
We are all a little crazy on this blessed day
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
You mean the wolves?
unreasonabro@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s the same as the old devil v angel on your shoulder bit. There’s a left hemisphere mode of understanding, a right hemisphere mode of understanding, and there’s what happens when they’re well integrated, which is mostly only achievable through meditation.
Just for the record, the left brain is the denialist, which offers hypotheticals and which takes the behaviour of others and places it firmly outside yourself, edifying the lie you tell yourself that you are separate and different from the other largely identical monkeys. The right brain tends to communicate in gestalts and complete pictures, without negativity and possibly without reference to individuality; YMMV.
nifty@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Dual consciousness is not exactly proven though, so idk what to think. Hope researchers shed more light down the road
Mun_Walker@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Check out- Thinking, Fast and Slow By: Daniel Kahneman
It deals with the concepts of two minds in one. System one and system two
force@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Split brain experiment
kalkulat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
" We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe." — von Goethe
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I posit that the human mind is made up of dozens, or perhaps even hundreds/thousands “smaller agents” that work together to create consciousness as an emergent property of the whole, which makes it impossible to isolate and say “this, THIS right here IS concsciousness”. That does not mean each of those has their own personality, per sé.
carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 6 months ago
…wikipedia.org/…/The_Man_Who_Mistook_His_Wife_for… is a fantastic exploration of this idea, focusing on people who have lost specific parts of their brains due to tumors or strokes. The human mind is very much like a complex modern website- take Amazon for example, if everything is working, it’s the website where you buy stuff, but if certain specific systems are offline, you lose specific features, like your order history, or your cart, or your recommended products, etc… Missing one or two of of those components diminishes the site somewhat, but it’s still more or less Amazon. Your brain works the same way!
jballs@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Stupid brain running micro-services.
Raxiel@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And the underlying animal is still there too. It’s fully in control at birth, and gets drowned out as we mature (for some people, less than others).
Small children are little more than animals, which is why they’re so unreasonable.
It’s my belief that the reason the written word or things like clocks are usually unreadable in dreams, is because the animal is both illiterate and innumerate. Dreams are the animals understanding of our waking experience. It knows these patterns are important and how they relate to other things, but it has no fucking idea what any of it actually means.
Spiritreader@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I do find myself reading and writing words in dreams quite a lot. I’ve never seen a clock though, not as far as I can remember.
But sometimes I can even remember signs with street names or banners / short paragraphs.
Dynamic lighting sadly doesn’t work tho. Light switches do nothing. For example if I turn on the lights in my bathroom in a dream, I can even hear the bathroom fan turn on, but the room remains dark.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I posit this as well. I’m made up of at least 5 or 6 different versions of me with different biases and personalities. There’s a negative narcissistic version, there’s a happy go lucky version, a pragmatic version, a nihilist with a dark sense of humour, a soppy emotional one, and others and they all fight constantly to have their say. I thought everyone was like this 🤪
multifariace@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m all alone. Which is likely why I crave social activities.
Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 6 months ago
Plurality is a thing…
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
You would like Global Workspace Theory, basically says your consciousness is the result of components of the brain broadcasting their information to the whole.
I also like Integrated Information Theory which measures the conscious experience of a system by how integrated it is, which means that you can’t reduce the system to the sum of it’s parts without losing the emergent properties.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Thanks for the links, very interesting indeed!
Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
So if I run enough different AI LLM models and let them communicate, I can create consciousness?
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, because LLMs are just a mathematical blender with ONE goal in mind: construct a good sentence. They have no thoughts, they have no corrective motion, they just spit out sentences.
You MIGHT get to passing a Turing test with enough feedback tied in, but then the “conciousness” is specifically coming from the systemic complexity at that point and still very much not the LLMs.
thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 6 months ago
If you gave them all access to real world, realtime sensor data… Over an extended period of time…hmm
KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Yeah, and come to think of it, I bet you that each one has its own characteristics. Perhaps they may be full blown individuals themeselves from another time and place, and I too will one day join them…
Brb gonna go sailing…
nifty@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No there’s no need to posit cutesy sounding things, that’s how misinformation starts :) If you have any sources or can cite you’ve read which may point to it, that’s cool though
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, people are allowed to speculate and throw out ideas they have without needing some “expert” or paper to back up what they are saying. The mistake is treating such as if it’s a fact. Sure, there’s always going to be idiots out there that will take ideas like that and run with them, but I reject the idea that we should censor those speculations and random thoughts because idiots might believe them.
The real problem are the con artists who work those idiots up into a frenzy of fear and distrust by deliberately presenting shit they can’t back up as a fact and threat to drive donations or sell snake oil to “protect” from it.
And I’d say even shit like what you said does more harm than good because it can drive those who enjoy harmless speculation but lack the confidence to push back towards the fringes because they think the mainstream wants to tell them how to think.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 months ago
That can’t be because I clearly exist and cannot differentiate between these “smaller agents”, I am either so perfectly unified that I cannot tell, or this emergentism is bullshit