Submitted 7 months ago by NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world to [deleted]
Biden isn’t the one sending storm troopers onto UT Austin’s campus, that would be the Republicans, remember on election day that both sides are absolutely not the same, and Trump sure as fuck does not care about Gaza or Palestine, or even Israel really if we’re being honest here. (Well or anything else but himself)
Your right, let me just pull up the White House press release where Biden sympathizes with the protectors cause:
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Hmm, not finding one. Wait, I’m sure there is an official Whitehouse press statement condemning the anti-free speech crackdowns like in Austin:
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Oh shit, looks like Biden said dickall about that too. So what did Biden say?
Over the weekend, the president put out a statement in which he condemned the campus protests for fostering antisemitism. That followed a far harsher statement from a White House aide calling out the protestors for harassing Jewish students. Both statements led anti-Israel protesters and anti-war activists to accuse the White House of being too quick to reprimand just one side of the debate.
One Columbia student who has been involved in the protests told POLITICO that she and her friends have less faith in Biden “every single day.”
“I was excited to vote for Biden. I was excited to vote out a fascist from government. And in hindsight, I guess I see that, I was just putting someone who’s a little bit less evil, but evil nonetheless,” said the student, who was granted anonymity because of fear of retribution.
politico.com/…/biden-camp-political-fallout-campu…
The reason is pretty straightforward : Biden is a zionist who doesn’t give an actual fuck about Gaza. He is worried though that it’s hurting him in Michigan. But according to the Biden campaign, young people don’t actually care about the genocide in Gaza so he’s free to ignore it because they’ll still vote for him either way.
“What is happening in Gaza is not the top issue for [young voters]. It’s not going to be for the vast majority of young voters the thing that’s going to determine whether they vote or how they vote,” said a campaign official working on youth engagement who was granted anonymity to speak about internal thinking. “The reality is that the folks that are organizing, the goal of that organizing is to make it seem that way and to bring that attention to it.”
Barack Obama rode a wave of backlash to the Iraq War to the dem nomination and then the Whitehouse, largely powered by anti-war college students who not only votes for him, but did the hard work of organizing and volunteering. I know, I was there on the ground. Today’s young people grew up with politicians doing dick all about school shootings they had to live with, doing shit about climate change that they will have to deal with, and now they have genocide being committed in their names. They are pissed. Maybe they mostly still vote for Trump, but your not going to see them organizing and pounding the pavement for Biden. Especially after Biden just dismissed their legitimate concerns and labeled them all antisemetic.
“The reality is that the folks that are organizing, the goal of that organizing is to make it seem that way and to bring that attention to it.”
God this is such a mask off moment. Yes Mr. Biden Campaign official, those protests where people are being arrested and still showing up to protest are all fake. No need to worry about that at all…
Biden didn’t ask Trump to sell National Security secrets to the Russians.
Biden didn’t ask Putin to trade those secrets to Iran.
Biden didn’t ask Iran to use said secrets and launch an attack on Israel to start a war that the U.S. would be forced to support in order to take away resources and attention from Putin’s war in Ukraine.
But Biden IS a Zionist.
You can criticize him for his support of Palestinian genocide, and rightly so. But you would be sadly mistaken if you withhold your vote for Biden and allow a Trump Presidency, who would not only continue the Palestinian genocide, but allow a Ukrainian one and a Taiwanese one as well… And perhaps fully and finally bring Totalitarianism to the U.S. since why not, he made it so close on January 6th anyways.
People can still leverage him to stop supporting Israel’s genocide in Palestine. He just has to stop sending the aid and he will have a cakewalk to a second term.
Why are you so opposed to people participating in democracy?
There are a lot of people who are in favour of sending aid to Israel as well. Biden can’t afford to piss off either group too much. But he does know that if Trump gets elected, one of those groups gets the opposite of what they want. So he’s naturally banking on that group of people still picking him over the alternative.
"I agree. He supports genocide. You should vote for him."
You are the problem.
You’re conflating voting for someone with “agreeing with” them.
That’s not how democracy works.
You don’t “not vote” for all the candidates you don’t agree with. You do vote for the one that most closely aligns with your values. If you fail to do so, you’ll get the candidate who does not align with your values at all.
Nuanced thinking is the problem? Nope. Black and white thinking is the problem. Like the black and white thinking you are displaying here, by refusing to parse any policy decisions beyond “he supports genocide”. If you can’t distinguish between the greater and the lesser evil you’ll end up inadvertently supporting the greater evil.
What other option that actually has a chance of winning is there? Last I saw, it was either going to be Biden or Trump on the ballot come November. So do you support indirect genocide that can be curbed, or do you support full throated fascistic genocide?
And remember, inaction is a choice, and that choice inevitably favors the republican candidate. So again, which do you choose? Can you justify not playing electoral politics when we end up with that fucking fascist asshole back in the whitehouse? Cuz I’m sure Israel is gonna turn it up to 11 once they know they’ve got full cover from Donald (“Stop releasing footage of you murdering people, this is really bad optics”)[apnews.com/…/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21…] Trump.
Trump tells Israel to “finish the job” in gaza, while Russian operatives try to convince you Biden is the worse choice
Which Iranian attack is this that’s supposed to have started a war to drag in the US? Their most recent attack on Israeli targets was in response to Israel attacking them in a third country, and Israel has been trying to provoke them into a response that would kick off a war the US would get involved with to draw attention from their ongoing genocide in Gaza.
The attacks by Iranian backed Hamas against Israel. Sources: www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/…/72405584007/ en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Iranian_support_for_Hamas www.cnn.com/…/h_8c4e2392d4398a8af723e09392db4494
“Don’t mind what we do because the other guy is scarier”
That sham will work up to a point.
Tell me more about why I should vote for whoever is controlling that senile figurehead.
Why doesn’t Biden just stop the genocide? Is he stupid?
Uh... He literally does. Fucking Reagan did it before.
he's an evil zionist
Unless this is sarcasm, please get real. I can't believe how many people actually think POTUS is some kind of emperor who just has to decree what they want and the other countries' leaders obey. You think he just has to tell Netanyahu "Stop" and he stops? Surely you're not that naive.
It’s not naive to learn from history, like when Reagan told Israel to stop their assault on Lebanon and Israel stopped in less than 24 hours.
Or when HW Bush called up Israel and ended that conflict overnight.
But maybe you’re right, maybe Netanyahu is too entrenched to stop this time. Biden can still stop sending the bombs. He can stop sending the money. He can stop vetoing UN peace resolutions. He could tell his press office to stop running cover for Israel. He could stop bringing up the “40 beheaded babies” lie.
He could do so much to stop this genocide, yet he refuses.
Maybe we need a strong progressive president who will hold Isreal accountable, like Ronald Reagan
In addition to not vetoing UN resolutions, Reagan took several actions that many in Israel and the United States perceived as anti-Israel. For example, on June 7, 1981, less than six months after Reagan took office, Israel launched a surprise bombing raid on the Iraqi nuclear reactor at Osirak, and, in so doing, violated the airspace of Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Reagan not only supported UNSC Resolution 487, which condemned the attack, but he also criticized the raid publicly and suspended the delivery of advanced F-16 fighter jets to Israel. Moreover, over the strident objections of Israel and the pro-Israel U.S. lobby groups, Reagan approved the sale of advanced reconnaissance aircraft (AWACS ) to Saudi Arabia, which Israel then viewed as a hostile state.
A year later, in August 1982, when Israeli forces advanced beyond southern Lebanon and began shelling the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Beirut, Reagan responded with an angry call to Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, demanding a halt to the operation.
In addition, during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, Reagan intervened directly when Israel threatened to blow up the Commodore Hotel in downtown Beirut, which housed more than 100 western reporters. As David Ottaway, who was then the Washington Post Middle East correspondent and was in the building, pointed out, the Israeli defense minister did not like the media coverage the invasion was getting and wanted to close down the media center.
Biden, on the other hand, even though he had an hour’s notice, failed to intervene to stop Netanyahu from bombing and collapsing the 12-story building that housed the offices of Al Jazeera and the Associated Press in Gaza during the recent bombing campaign. He also failed to publicly condemn the attack, let alone challenge Israel’s contention that the building sheltered Hamas military intelligence assets, despite AP’s insistence that its staff had no evidence that such assets were or ever had been present.
In addition to allowing the UN resolutions to pass and suspending the F-16 delivery, Reagan also restricted aid and military assistance to Israel to help force its withdrawal of troops from Beirut and central Lebanon.
Therefore, if in the future some members of the Biden administration or Congress want to join the international community in condemning Israel’s behavior, or in conditioning U.S. assistance or arms transfers and face resistance from Republicans, they need only point to the precedents established by President Reagan in the first instance.
Cutting off supplies to Israel wouldn’t stop the genocide immediately, but it wouldn’t take long
Man you (either intentionally or unintentionally) underestimate just how much the POTUS can order Israel around. Reagan did it, Bush did it, hell even Biden did it. It's not rocket science.
Bro, why you telling people to get real on the shitpost community….
This place is getting like Reddit
Jewish businesses and people are the biggest donors to election campaigns. They own the politicians. That’s not an accident by the way, after the war they need a way ro protect themselfs so they started sponsoring the american war machine through politics. The problem is that the same gun that you buy to protect yourself can be used to harm others
Uh... You're thinking of AIPAC.
And this is why we can’t have nice things!
Every fucking time we try to have a discussion about israeli crimes some fuckwad comes in with their conspiracy theory bullshit and spoils the punch for everyone else.
You’re what allows the apologists to keep calling us all antisemites fuckass.
Too busy curing cancer probably.
Because we need Israel as our buffer in the middle east, whether you like it or not. So the truth of the matter is that the US won’t do fucking dick about Israel. Our government will just grumble about it but ultimately watch from the sidelines. That’s just the hard truth. At the end if the day, we need a strong ally in the region, whether anyone likes it or not.
Also, not saying that I agree with Israel’s actions. I absolutely do not, but not having a strong ally like Israel would be absolutely detrimental to the interest of the United States.
A core democratic voting constituency
Y’all keep saying that and then turning out at an underperformance of your share of the national population, nevermind the easy dominating share you could have in the party if y’all would fucking vote!
Like seriously, Bernie would have been the nominee both times if y’all would have stopped talking about how you’re the base and actually acted as a party base!
Okay tbf they're both a core democratic constituency and criminally underperforming. Young voters where a major factor in Hillary's failure in 2016 and Biden's success in 2020. And now they'll be a major factor in his failure in 2024.
Some of these campuses are important for purple states. The youth vote in California isn’t horribly important. But the youth vote in Virginia is both important and extant.
Yeah, Trump is going to be much better on dealing with genocide, but wait I’m just a Biden shill impacted by TDS, it’s the system we live under and it won’t change from the top, encourage ranked choice voting at the local level
Trump said he doesn’t give a shit about that war. Just glass the area and be done with it.
They start to infiltrate the protest and aren’t asked to leave or tone it down. It’s not a good look.
The ones I’ve been to I’ve seen the organizers push them out. And it was one guy. the charge of Anti-Semitism here is very much using the Israeli definition of any criticism of Israel being Anti-Semitic.
ya but what about TikTok. That’s the real problem, right?
They’re just mad because TikTok is making their kids leftists.
Here comes the genocide defenders.
Even worse are the genocide apologists IMO.
Imagine understanding that both candidates are and will commit genocide and sweating online about your choice. There is no direct action, there is no private sector, there is only the ballot and there is death.
To these liberal genocide apolgists: Please, evolve from an electoral wonk to an NGO volunteer already.
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My predictions for this fall and beyond:
1: someone is going to win
2: the supporters of the other side are going to throw a hissy fit
3: China moves on Taiwan
4: US gets involved in asia, and russia tries to expand its influence only to be kicked in the balls by the EU or some part of it, possibly followed by a war between liberal western Europe and the conservative eastern Europe, Israel does whatever tf they want to the middle east
5: tens of millions of people die
6: US and China both end up breaking down under the weight of the logistically impossible war
7: both countries have a revolution and a regime change
7a: US ends with some sort of protofascist clusterfuck of a democratic dictatorship
7b: China either ends up with another authoritarian dictatorship but claiming to be something like the empires of old or a democratically elected republic that is rife with corruption from the start
Bonus: sometime somewhere russia maybe tries to take alaska but gets mauled by a polar bear with a 50 cal pistol
I hope I’m wrong, and if you think that I am, lmk why
You got some right, but some clearly wrong IMO 😊
I don’t think revolutions are any more likely to be fascist than socialist, historically though genuine socialist revolutions tend to lose, mostly because international capitalism can play very nicely with fascism, but not socialism.
However if the U.S underwent genuine socialist revolutions, it’s an entirely different ballgame. The U.S has been the capitalist hand on the global stage for the better part of a century, constantly involved in overthrowing democratically elected governments in favor of fascist dictatorships.
With that constant capitalistic/fascistic pressure gone, and better-yet replaced with genuine socialism, you’d get a very interesting situation. You’d have genuine socialism in the U.S (probably followed by at least some socialist revolution or socialist-inspired reforms in Europe), and then rhetorical socialism in the east, marred by material capitalism. The contradictions of the global stage would intensify, and I don’t think there’s any Chinese theory for development in an internationally socialist stage.
Lmao, does it count if we gave the polar bears the pistol?
But also, we absolutely have the infrastructure for a logistically challenging war. We’ve been quietly bringing back critical manufacturing industries specifically so we can do another total war economy.
By conservative eastern Europe you mean russia/belarus?
Russia and Belarus aren’t conservative, they are a weird crony fascism, when i say conservative I mean catholic neotheocracy (like Hungary)
No, i mean Poland, Hungary, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, and Romania, if there was a war in Europe between Eastern and Western Europe, Belarus and Russia would already have been defeated
Sorry to say, but you’re right
Biden got Israel to agree to a ceasefire and Hamas refused. But sure, this is Biden's fault.
With a more representative electoral system such as (but not limited to) Ranked Choice voting, people would be free to vote for who best represents them while still counting their vote against those they don’t want in office.
First Past the post voting makes two political parties a inevitability. It’s just math yall. Let’s fix it together, one state at a time.
I didn’t like his response, I don’t like Israel or Netanyahu, but TO BE FAIR the reporters didn’t mention what school or individuals in particular
Q Mr. President, what’s your message to the protesters?
Q Do you condemn the antisemitic protests on college campuses?
THE PRESIDENT: I condemn the antisemitic protests. That’s why I’ve set up a program to deal with that.
qooqie@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Regardless i prefer Biden over trump and i will still vote for him. However, I’ll make my voice much louder the second term
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m proud to count myself amongst the people who didn’t vote for Biden in the primary. Now I only have to vote for him once.
PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Nobody even brought up Trump, but you.
That is what is so infuriating to me is that nobody is allowed to criticize Biden at all without Trump being brought up.
qooqie@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s an election year, Biden being brought up will invoke his competitions name. And people are absolutely using just this topic as a reason to not vote this cycle. They only hurt themselves and everyone else.
antidote101@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You’re being over sensitive. People are allowed to bring up what they like.
I’d like to bring up - a switch in democratic systems of representatives to on called “Open List Proportional Representation” where parties are represented in a proportional mix per the votes they actually won.
Germany, Scotland, and Japan use such systems. I think it’s a better system but it will probably take a loaded Supreme court and a concerted effort to get through.
mister_monster@monero.town 7 months ago
That’s because Biden’s entire pitch is “I’m not Trump”. Nobody actually likes him or wants him to be president, they’re just stuck with bad choices in front of them. So you talk about the merits of Biden, that’s the only one you’re going to get, because that’s all he’s got. And in the face of a genocide, people can’t stomach it.
blazera@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Your vote is the only voice that matters
Gigan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m not voting for either. They both suck
can@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
You don’t think one sucks even a little less?
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Not voting is a choice that inherently favors republicans due to how consistent they tend to vote. So vote or not, you’re still supporting one candidate or another.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 months ago
So after you could save lives by speaking up. How morally courageous of you.