I think the Avatar films fall into this category
Nah, those movies are ass. They just have amazing special effects.
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SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
I think I know what OOP means here. Films that people only like because they’re “good movies.”
I think the Avatar films fall into this category, as do most of the “Oscar bait” movies.
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SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
… and somehow they still get butts in seats and lots of people enjoy them.
People want to see the cutting-edge cgi. In that sense it absolutely is qualityslop.
Frankddamee@lemmy.world 56 minutes ago
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0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Did anyone really feel like the CGI was cutting edge at the time? Maybe I was hard to impress, but I felt like it was a bad movie with mid-grade CGI 🤷♂️
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 54 minutes ago
The first one felt pretty amazing at the time. It was enough that I left the theater feeling like I had watched a good movie. When I watched it again later on TV I was like… wait a minute, this isn’t good.
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pachrist@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Nah, this is things like most Tarantino films, particularly Pulp Fiction, where it’s a good movie, but every 17 year old you meet who loves it only loves it because everyone else loves it.
sukhmel@programming.dev 3 hours ago
I thought this but opposite of Avatar, good writing/acting and low budget
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
Like how Shindler’s list is supposed to be good? I’ve never seen it. Also Citizen Kane? It’s a hard watch these days. Actually, it might be a little more relevant in the Trump era.
Fight Club is probably in this category. It’s not… I did not enjoy it, but it has so much hype around it.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
What did you not like about fight club?
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
Like that, except you do like them, mostly because you walk away feeling like you experienced a “good film.”
SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 2 hours ago
Interstellar, Cloud Atlas, Inception, …
Hond@piefed.social 6 hours ago
What?
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
You know how some restaraunts have a reputation for serving “good food” (I.e. gourmet food), but just because it’s fancier food it doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll actually like it more?
So, what are some foods that people only like because they’re fancy? (I’d argue caviar is one)
Same idea, but for movies. What are some movies that people only like because they’re seen as being “good movies”?
Babalugats@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
What?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
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Jojowski@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
A million flies can’t be wrong.
Golden@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
So like, the entire Marvel universe?
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
I sort of get what you’re saying, but that’s less because the movie is fancy. More that it has a high budget.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The first iron man was ok.
But otherwise yes.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
I feel like this is most of shakespears work. Having read a lot of it, i was deeply unimpressed. I found it grueling to work through any of his pieces. And yet theyre universally beloved. Pretty sure its just because everyones teacher told them the book was good.
Its weird though, to kill a mockingbird was actually good, and yet it doesnt recieve nearly as much fanfare as something like hamlet or romeo & juliet. Feels like people just like shakespear because everyone else likes shakespear.
5C5C5C@programming.dev 3 hours ago
Shakespeare’s collective works span virtually every genre and introduce virtually every character archetype that is still used in modern literature and media. His works are brimming with word play, which often has triple or quadruple meaning; often dramatic, philosophical, and comedic at the same time. He was so prolific and such a good writer that there are conspiracy theories that he was actually several different playwrights sharing the same name.
Granted it’s not as easy to appreciate his works today because of how the English language has drifted over the last 500 years, but what other work of literature from 500 years ago can you even point to as being popular today in its original form?
If you want to give Shakespeare a fair shake from the literary appreciation point of view, try reading an annotated copy of his works that provide context and translate the less familiar turns of phrase. It probably won’t make you enjoy reading his works, but it should at least help you understand why he’s so revered.
In terms of actually enjoying Shakespeare, well… He was a playwright, not a novelist! His works are meant to be seen on a stage. There are some really good performers out there whose emotivity can help bridge the language gap. Some troupes also tweak the dialog to make it more accessible to a modem audience, but I don’t generally like that because they tend to lose the puns or at least diminish the layers or the poetry.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 3 hours ago
Shakespeare’s influence on pretty much all English writing, fiction, theatre, film, narrative form of any sort is so utterly massive it’s almost impossible to fathom. His use of plot has informed how plots are constructed ever since. His use of language is still a massive influence on the way we speak today, and phrases he invented are so rooted in our cultural language we forget they were his. Going on a “wild-goose” chase. Having a “heart of gold”. To “vanish into thin air”. Even: “Knock knock, Who’s there?” was his.
His works might be hard work for today’s student since the language isn’t the language of today. But pick pretty much any genre defining film from 50 years ago and it will seem a bit slow, and flat, and stilted compared to today’s films. “It’s been done better since!” His works are from 500 years ago!
Velypso@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
Imo shakespeare is like seinfeld.
So incredibly influential and popular that reading/watching is boring because everything that has been said by them has been said by everyone else, but better years/decades/centuries later.
I agree that shakespeare is a slog, simply because ive seen probably 50 “hamlet” television episodes that are better
Another great example: West-side Story is just a much better version of romeo and juliet which is slow for no reason in comparison.
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
I unironically like shakespeare, but yeah, there is an element of inertia to his popularity.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 5 hours ago
Caviar is delicious.
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
Oh, sure. Not debating that. But it’s popular because it’s seen as fancy.
PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
Don’t worry, I understand you.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
OG Avatar was basically “last of the space Mohicans”.
Also: Jesus tapdancing christ 🤦♂️
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Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
The amount of money spent making Avatar movies could probably have paid for universal K-College education for every American for decades with enough money left over to bribe the politicians into voting for something regular people want for a change!
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
You know how like some stuff is goodbad but people like it because it’s not awful? Like, when it’s not made with minimal effort and it seems like someone actually tried write believable dialog.
What are goodbad movies like that movies like that but good.
Frankddamee@lemmy.world 55 minutes ago
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Lumidaub@feddit.org 5 hours ago
What?
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
There was a movie in 2002 called the Pianist. If you were around then, you get it.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
Do you mean the movie about the Holocaust? How does that fit in here?