The Anonborn gets recruited

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• uberfreeza@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I have not played this game in a long time, at least not in any way that involves paying attention to storylines that are not modded, but based on what I remember, not choosing a side is the worst option. The civil war was instigated by the aldmeri(?) dominion to put skyrim into chaos and keep them from pushing the elves back out while they silently take over the empire. It makes things slightly better, but I still didn’t like how terrible both sides were.

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• djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  and it’s not even just the right choice, it’s the choice that actually results in what the Stormcloaks supposedly want. Ulfric’s rebellion exclusively serves to benefit the Aldmeri Dominion he supposedly hates, whereas a unified empire at least has a chance to resist the elves.

  Although if you really wanna dig into it, it makes zero sense that the Aldmeri were able to somehow build up enough of an army to attack the empire and enforce the White-Gold Concordat to begin with. Especially considering Hammerfell was able to beat them on their own. TES writers basically giga-nerfed the empire to allow the war to even happen.

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  • NathanRanch@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The Aldmeri Dominion - Ulfric things always seems like something to repeat. It’s not like he was paying tithe to them or anything. Just because they want him in power doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be, and paying to that line of though only leads to more trouble. You see Skyrim mostly liberate itself, if the elves had helped or offered assistance, I think this claim would have been made to be more intentional rather than the oft-repeated reddit-spteak it is.

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    • P1k1e@lemmy.world ⁨29⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Honestly, with how the settings timelines are dictated by heros and divine lineages id actually figure every major event that doesn’t go as expected means a figure of legend has influenced it in some way or another.

      So when it comes down to it, whoever you choose is kinda unimportant, as neither side seems very prepped to deal with the dragon threat without the dragon born, and Parthanax is unlikely to hold the dragons back from their dominating nature forever.

      I just look forward to smashing the Dominion when the time finally comes

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• speakupattheback@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You don’t understand, I’m changing the stormcloaks from within

  /uj it makes zero narrative sense to run off with the guy who was overseeing your execution, to the point that I don’t think it should be an option. It would be better if they made you go with the stormcloaks at first but then showed how flawed they were and have you the opportunity to switch sides

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  • SippyCup@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The main story of that game is fucking awful. I get they wanted to introduce some choice, and wanted that choice to somewhat kinda feel justified but JESUS did they do a shitty job.

    Instead of giving us a messy political situation, where either party may have some legitimate claim to the land, they gave us Southern nationalists versus Northern racists who were here first and you’re meant to pick which one you like more.

    Gee would I rather kill for the guys that literally don’t want me here, or kill for the guys that literally tried to kill me for being here? HARD FUCKING QUESTION.

    I think I played through the main storyline once to completion, and every time before and after that I just skipped it once I got the rewards I wanted.

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  • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hur durr no way best game ever made

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• BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It took me a long time to realize I missed the entire civil war plotline. I never sided with anyone. Did the main plot and some guild questlines. Skyrim hooked me less than prior TES games.

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  • altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    How? When I tried to dodge that conflict, Todd was right-click-unzipping packs of fighting soldiers onto me. It felt like a meme interpretation of “If you aren’t interested in politics, politics are gonna start to be interested in you”.

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  • treesapx@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s so incredibly shallow, from a series already suffering from such.

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    • BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      so shallow people still argue about it 15 years later

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• Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Bruh the Nords ain’t the natives.

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  • djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    well it’s not like Ysgramor left a lot of the native elves in a state to complain.

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  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Who is downvoting this? The forsworn are native.

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    • arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean it’s getting a bit loose with the term native. The Nords have been there a long fucking time.

      Humans on Earth are only native to Africa, but unique cultures have evolved elsewhere

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    • ahornsirup@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’re not either. The dwemer and falmer are the natives.

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  • jdr@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ya, the Nords are from Sweden

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• spacegoat@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I dislike both sides so much that I skip those quest lines

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  • Manalith@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Skip all vanilla quest lines, go do Dawnguard, get sexy vampire wife, grab the plantation from the creation club and live rest of my Skyrim days recreating the anime Farming Life in Another World while power leveling my alchemy.

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• saltnotsugar@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I fight for the one true cause. Shouting goats off the mountain.

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  • chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fus-Ro-Baaah

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    • Whostosay@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Godamnit

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• Shanmugha@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The “natives” who are racist as fuck. I am still thinking about supporting empire because fuck Ulfric, but there is a long time before I come back to Skyrim yet again

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  • BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world ⁨31⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    still waiting to hear about the non racist natives in tamriel

    feel bad for the dark elves in the gray quarter? go look at how the argonians are treated by them. go see that the only reason argonians arent allowed in windhelm is because the dark elves are racist as fuck and would start a riot if they had to live with argonians

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  • ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    problem with these arguments is, that they are made from our world understanding and extracted out of an extremely condensed world.

    yes, the racism that the different races in tamriel display is objectively bad. but tamriel is an extremely racist continent with an astonishing amount of actual races (not the crap, that is called races in our world). every race in tamriel is strongly racist, many support slavery and warmongering is just daily life. TESV just plays in the home of the nords and therefore we are more exposed to their flavour.

    TESV is extremely condensed. how many citicens does windhelm have? maybe 15? the drunk asshole in the gray quarter is probably the most cited source for nord racism. but bethesda had to put one open asshole there, that is even too much for most other inhabitants - if they want to keep racism as a story telling instrument… actually i wish there was more to him. for example you could side with him and harass locals or beat some sense into him. both should have lasting consequences in the world. but that is just not the level of detail we got from TESV…

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    • Shanmugha@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      And there is also no option to say “fuck you both”, especially in negotiations where grey beards live. I hate this duality of being a simp of one side or the other

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  • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Its not racist to resist change from outsiders who happen to be another race.

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    • Shanmugha@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      it is racist to treat argonians like shit, for example

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    • dreamkeeper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But they aren’t just resisting change. They openly talk about purging all the argonians and khajiit, etc.

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  • CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The Nords’ early experience with elves was being the victims of genocide so it’s not like it comes from nowhere.

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    • Shanmugha@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      and it came to “Skyrim is for Nords”. which can be expected, yeah, but must not be tolerated

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah I remember considering both sides and then just saying fuck it and stopping the quest entirely when it came time to choose.

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    • Shanmugha@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      thinking of the same, honestly. probably add some bloodbath on my way out too

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• Saledovil@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The funny thing about the civil war is that it can be safely ignored. Apart from one point in the main quest, where you need to negotiate a ceasefire, but you can’t possibly fail.

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  • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I never understood the hype for Skyrim, the world and story is so stale and incohesive

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    • LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I really wanted to love Skyrim, the world is so cool, and it has so many cool story lines in there. It is just that they are so… shallow. Not connected at all. Not responsive or immersive in any way.

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    • IDraw4u@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s literally hype for the creation kit and mods people create for it and having fun with how buggy it is.

      Also there’s no shortage of ‘locations’ and ‘creatures’ there…

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• supernicepojo@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Skyrim belongs to the Falmer!

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  • Pringles@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Is there actually a way to join the Falmer? Not talking about mods, but also, a mod would work.

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    • okwhateverdude@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’d play a prequel set in the dwemer / falmer-before-eyeless times. That’d be pretty tight.

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  • starik@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hear, ye! Hear, ye, Falmer! Lend supernicepojo your ears!

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• TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I am a Skyrim virgin.

  Be gentle with me.

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  • Mistic@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No

    You too get an arrow to the knee and you’ll like it

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• theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yep the stromcloaks are an extremely flawed anti-colonial movement. Still worth supporting.

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  • Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    strormcloaks are an extremely flawed anti-colonial movement

    Lmao they’re literally a colour revolution propped up by the Altmeri Dominion and want to continue Skyrim’s occupation of the Reach.

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    • LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Actually, this part of the Skyrim world is the one that I hate the least. Sounds like every proxy conflict ever. The parallels to many real-world conflicts from Vietnam to Ukraine are obvious.

      And it is a nice dilemma: do you support the clearly colonial empire, which however seems to be half ok at running things, when they are not on an oppressive execution spree? Or support the self-determination of the people, who are propped up by a rival empire that is even worse, and half of them are horribly racist? It is pretty well balanced and not quite as black and white as the usual video game lore, it has layers, and makes you think. I like it.

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  • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Does it really surprise anyone that a story by Emil Pagliarulo has poorly written factions?

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    • blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I am surprised that anyone would consider the Oblivion Dark Brotherhood faction and plot to be poorly written.

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