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The sickness of infinite greed cannot be sustained on our finite planet

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  • DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This is what’s really crazy.

    A long time ago, I was having a conversation with a workmate. Guy earned as much as me. I asked him what he’d buy with $1 billion that he couldn’t buy with $50 million.

    He couldn’t name one actual experience/object that he’d need the extra money for.

    Still insisted that he wanted the billion.

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    • GardenGeek@europe.pub ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Super-yachts.

      One of the main reasons these are booming is that a billionaire can spend a sum on them he might actually see on his account. Fine food, cars, even mainsons are so cheap that they earn more through passive income while they’re buying these things than they’re actually spending. At the same time people, even in tje ver same society, go hungry to bed or are incapable of getting their health condition improved… it’s just crazy.

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      • 20cello@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Evil rather than crazy

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      • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Sounds like super yachts need to be sunk.

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    • Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Power.

      Not a nicer car. Not a better vacation. Not a bigger house.

      The ability to buy companies, fund institutions, shape industries, influence politics, and absorb enormous losses without changing your lifestyle.

      At a certain point, more money stops buying a better life. It starts buying more control.

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    • a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If, given the option, I would want the larger sum of money, too.

      But I could also feed and educate a fuckton of people while still living it up on roughly 4%.

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    • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It used to be philanthropic stuff - because buying public opinion/legacy is pretty expensive. So you fund a big charity, do some speeches, and are celebrated for being so generous.

      Seems like the major expenses now are donating money to fascists and buying big boats.

      But $1B (at today’s levels of value - the number isn’t the issue, the relative value and lost opportunity cost of distributing some of this back to the people is the issue) is an obscene amount of money. You could invest it in some safe asset making 2% per year and yearn $54k per day ($20M/year)

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      • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Have they ever done philanthropy that wasn’t for avoiding taxes or laundering money?

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you gave me the choice between 50 million and a billion I’d take a billion too; but if you gave me 50 million no one would hear from me again as I would quit my job, move somewhere quiet, and keep to myself.

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      • DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Just for clarity’s sake.

        The question was ‘What can you buy with a billion that you couldn’t get with $50 million?’

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      • architect@thelemmy.club ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I wouldn’t quit my work with 50 million. I’d turn it into a big corp then invest in more. I’d likely work just as much but it would be to make more cash to invest into more companies so I can see my own agenda play out in ways I want.

        Someone that would fuck off with 50 million would fuck off with 5 million and that’s exactly why you won’t ever have that opportunity.

        That’s not me saying it’s a bad thing that you’re like that, just the reality of how some people think.

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    • stickyprimer@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Rebuild all the schools in my local district? Set up a permanent endowment for the Freedom from Religion Foundation? Turn as much land into nature preserves as I can possibly afford?

      Maybe these aren’t “things” you “buy” but it doesn’t take much creativity to blow a billion. I think I just blew a whole bunch of them.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’d never make it to a billion with that kind of attitude

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    • Zink@programming.dev ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Still insisted that he wanted the billion.

      That demonstrates the underlying problem. When you can quantify something, people can compete over it. To most people money is THE quantifiable thing about humans. We literally call a person’s money number their “net worth.” It’s not “oh that guy with all these relationships and virtues and vices has just seen his net assets exceed one billion.” It is “he is now worth one billion.”

      So with it carrying such cultural weight and such quantifiability… I guess what I am trying to say is that sometimes the problem really as is simple as “number go up.” Unfortunately, simple problems can still have impossibly complex solutions. How do you change the nature of a person, and then do it en masse? How do you break one feedback loop and get into another? (the people in control would make society more decent if they themselves grew up in a more decent society)

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    • AmyAye@nord.pub ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Easy, 1000x more LEGOs.

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      • mrmisses@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Woah op said billions, not trillions

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    • architect@thelemmy.club ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’d buy a few of your countries, a space company/rocket ships. A few nukes or the facility to make them…

      Oh wait that’s exactly what they did with that money.

      It’s what you would do, too.

      Which is why no one should be allowed to have that much. Not even nation states as we’ve seen.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s what you would do, too.

        The fuck it is. Speak for yourself.

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  • Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s a fight for survival and they will CHOOSE CONCENTRATION CAMPS OVER A SMALL TAX.

    No one is going to save us and no one is going to stop them. They need to go away NOW

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    • Steve@communick.news ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If no one is going to save us or stop them, why would they go away?

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      • Yuccagnocchiyaki@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Exactly

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      • architect@thelemmy.club ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        No one?! It’s YOU AND ME THAT NEED TO DO THIS.

        Not superman ffs.

        Look at the others who have tried?! They need more than a meme to be successful!

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  • Formfiller@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    These people are a danger to the world

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  • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There are a few discussions and even some studies about the rapid effects of wealth and political power, because they change how other people interact with you, it essentially gaslights you into thinking you’re less fallible than the rest of us.

    We can kind of see it between the original Star Wars trilogy (when Lucas still had people able to critique him) and the prequel series (now that ILM was huge and he was ultra-wealthy).

    Twenty-first century billionaires become two degrees of separation removed from commoners at all (except the help they hire themselves), and as Paul Krugman notes, lobbyists are better dressed and more well spoken than nerdy economists. It becomes very easy for a rich due to create a self-aggrandizing information silo, in which every rich-dude intuition and conspiracy theory is affirmed.

    And the one thing that consistently feels good is seeing their assets and selves getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

    So yeah, it really is an illness.

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  • RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s power.

    Not wealth.

    He’d rather kids not get healthcare than be told he is a plebe that has to follow rules like the rest of us.

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    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s hoarding. It’s never enough to have a lot of money, they need to have all the money. Being a billionaire is a significant sign of mental illness.

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  • Avicenna@programming.dev ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He should be beaten to a pulp with a sign that reads “Don’t be evil”

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  • Fishnoodle@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hey look, it’s another fucking foreigner who came over and stole from Americans and now refuses to pay his fair share

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    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So… If he were a domestic born sociopath, his greed would be acceptable? Or if he spread the wealth with Americans, his foreign crimes and wealth extraction would be fine?

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      • Fishnoodle@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        No, there is no excuse for trash like him. But if you can weaponize the hatred of the ignorant to help your cause, you should.

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      • wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You’re being downvoted, and I just wanted to let you know I agree with you completely. It’s the billionaire class that’s the problem, not their nationality. It’s a worldwide problem, not just an American one, because they export their bullshit to whatever country they choose (e.g. Musk in Germany). Borders no longer matter for these people, they can move wherever they want, buy politicians in every country they want.

        It’s a global class war.

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  • SalamiDommie@lemmus.org ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You have to cut out such sickness.

    Guillotine is the gracious choice to traitors.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    These people have OCD, which manifests itself as financial hoarding. If someone had so many cats that it was negatively impacting the neighborhood, and they were STILL actively attracting and breeding MORE cats, making the neighborhood even worse, the authorities would step in, get treatment for the offender, and find new homes for all those cats.

    That’s what they should do with Sociopathic Oligarchs.

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  • jpreston2005@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He’s wrong, greed isn’t a sickness, it’s a mental handicap. ]It inhibits the brain from experiencing empathy in people who amass great wealth and power.](sciencefocus.com/…/powerful-mindset-psychology-2)

    It begs the question, why are we letting a bunch of evil, mentally handicapped people steer the course of humanity?

    You’d think that if you were a doctor, and had a patient that was amassing a collection of any other thing, and that collection destroyed a part of their patients brain… You’d think the doctor (and society et. large) would want to limit the amount of that thing they were allowed to collect?

    Especially if that thing they’re collecting could be used to, I dunno, I’m just spit-balling here, give everyone universal healthcare, increase public education to include 4 year university, give everyone free childcare, invest massively in green energy and public transportation… you know, instead of just sitting in a Panamanian bank being hoarded by evil, mentally handicapped billionaires?

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  • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Eat the Rich

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  • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Greed is not a sickness. It’s a choice. The failure to hold greedy people accountable by any means necessary is also a choice. The real sickness is looking at the state of the world and not being radicalized enough to commit to that any means necessary to hold the greedy bastards accountable.

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    • bitjunkie@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Two things can suck at the same time.

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  • nonentity@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Financial obesity is neurotoxic, an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

    Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

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    • krisevol@lemmus.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But where would the money come from to pay the taxes on that wealth?

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  • Polisheocket@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This type of k shape economy is what ends world Powers. Not just that but the sheer decay from the ground up of our economy. Cut education, less educated population. Out source jobs, people can’t afford to live and are now dependent on government assistance. The loss of the middle class, can keep going

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    • Markus29@feddit.nl ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I hope that before it gets that far the guillotine gets reintroduced

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  • mrmisses@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We need to bring back tar and feathers

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    • amgine@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The guillotine

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  • gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the moment when 3 posts in a row appear in the All feed:

    Image

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  • knomie@feddit.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Why is this a screenshot of Twitter, whose owner does the exact same thing that is criticized here? Bernie must not post exclusively on Twitter, right? So why not post his opinions from somewhere else to not advertise for such despicable behavior that be rightfully criticizes?

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  • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If the billionaires are paying tk stop it, it’s probably worthwhile.

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    • Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is sooo ironic. Like you’re spending money yo avoid being taxed. Just pay the tax.

      People should setup tax fighting and charge them loads and say yes were going to remove this tax but you gotta pay up.

      Reverse mob mentality. You pay the head fee, no guillotine for you this month Mr billionaire

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      • ech@lemmy.ca ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s not ironic, it’s basic math. Based on just the amount the post said he gained, the campaign funding is 1% of what he’d be paying in the tax, even less because that’s not his entire net worth.

        That’s the math you have to consider with all of these counter-campaigns - the money they’re spending will always be less than what they expect to pay, otherwise they’d just pay the tax. That’s always the driving force, regardless of what their smear campaigns say.

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      • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Cause it’s not about the money. It’s about the power.

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  • UnityDevice@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The dragon disease.

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  • RockBottom@feddit.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The program works as programmed. The name of the program is capitalism. They are cogs in the machine just like we all are. The difference they are rotating in a different position in the machine.

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  • kfh@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Billionitis

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  • Nounka@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    From one ( i don’t know ) #monney you have it is more like a ‘high score’ it seems to me. Like a child. I want to have the best score in this game = I want to have the highest monneypile.

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  • Jaysyn@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Billionaire is a disease.

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  • whereitsat@lemmy.zip ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    bernie kinda misses the essence of american culture.

    a bum on welfare is a freeloader because they take and take and contribute nothing.

    what has this guy, sergey, actually contributed to america? we had 34830483048 search engines before google came around.

    when your money makes money you contribute nothing other than offerings to the abstract concept of ‘the economy.’

    it’s genuinely satanic when you really think about it. we’re sacrificing real human lives to ‘the economy.’

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    • Hermit_Lailoken@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      a bum on welfare is a freeloader because they take and take and contribute nothing.

      Some people who need assistance have worked for years, thus putting money into medicaid.

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  • Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    the sin of avararice…

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  • qarbone@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Sickness” brings to mind something you can catch or be afflicted with it.

    Greed is a moral failing and should be persecuted as such, like they were a murderer.

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  • WappleFF27@feddit.online ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you ask them, they need all that money to bring their future vision to life, they can’t waste any of it on “petty wasteful spending” like on other people or something.

    The thing is, I think some of them genuinely think the world will be better if they control it, but they’re too stupid to make their vision work so it will of course fall apart and they’ll die in their bunkers that they never thought they’d actually need to use because it was “just in case”

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You think they’re bad now? In five years, several will be trillionaires, and many more will be on the way. Once they get to Trillionaire Status, there is no stopping them. They’ll create their own sovereign nation, create an army, and start to control the world.

    They’ve already staked out their base of operations: Ivanka & Jared’s new Albanian island, which is fortified with miles of bunkers, literally built to withstand a NATO attack. It also has the advantage of controlling a strait that is vital to all Eastern European trade. It’s the perfect place for a scam* of Sociopathic Billionaires to make their HQ, and rule the world.

    BTW, Ivanka was first introduced to the island while she was on a Rothschilds yacht. La-di-da.

    • Collective name of a group Sociopathic Oligarchs.
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  • antianarchist@sopuli.xyz ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I believe the rest of the world is quite fine. And USA citizens are fine, too, or there would be regular protests everywhere I guess.

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    • Steve@communick.news ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There are regular protests everywhere.
      People on strike and picket lines every day.

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      • antianarchist@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hard to make a difference if only 1% join. And don’t forget that the US has at least 50% of Trump voters. And as long as they keep on following their idol blindly, those peaceful protest will not change a thing.

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  • Alexfire@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hoarding wasn’t allowed at one time, in <150 person groups, then came the ever increasing wealth and power inequalities, and the supernatural stories to justify their power, justify the suffering now for later reward and easier than brute force. It’s the same systems and people protecting their wealth and keep the majority in artificial scarcity, so they feel frazzled and not much time to ponder these truths, and decide how they want to go forward, keep the indoctrination of the systems or pull back the curtain?

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    • Alexfire@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      More info: The “frazzled” state you describe is literally chronic cortisol dysregulation — the body’s stress response stuck on. Research confirms this drives insulin resistance, visceral fat accumulation, arterial stiffness, immune suppression, gut dysbiosis, and prefrontal cortex damage (impaired planning, impulse control). When someone says “I just can’t get my health together,” the framework gives them a different explanation: you’re running a fight-or-flight response 16 hours a day because the system is designed to keep you in survival mode. That reframe reduces shame and opens the door to action.

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