Fake - invents time machine
Gay - america goes both ways
Anon invents a time machine
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WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
merc@sh.itjust.works 18 hours ago
US stays isolationist
…
US takes Canada
Which one is it?
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 17 hours ago
If WWII never happened, the US never would have built up bases all over the world nor would they have been able to get the head start on pushing American manufacturing standards as ISO standards (due to being physically removed from the conflict in Europe). In that case, the US never sees the boom that it did from those situations, and never would have nearly as much economic, military, or social power as it did from being involved in the war.
How they would manage to take over all of north and south America in that situation is beyond me. Clearly written by someone who believes in American exceptionalism
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Good point.
I heard a podcast recently (99% invisible) that talked about how the “60 degree” screw became standard in the world. Before that, there were many competing types of screw, which meant that there were all kinds of incompatibilities.
What they mentioned only in passing was that the British Empire already had a standard at 55 degrees. At that point, the British empire was huge. The smart thing to do would have been to simply adopt the British standard and make it the worldwide standard. Instead, the US forced the rest of the world, including the whole British Empire to adopt the new standard.
I imagine if the US hadn’t entered WWII the world might be using German standards, or it might be using British Empire standards, or maybe even Soviet standards, but it definitely wouldn’t be using American standards.
rtxn@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
That also means that Ford never rises to the global powerhouse it is, which means that the Phillips screw head doesn’t proliferate.
Excuse me, I have a time machine to build.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 17 hours ago
Also, scientific papers would be as likely to be published in German or French as in English, and when computers appear, technical terms and keywords would probably not be in American English. This universe’s equivalent of FORTRAN or the UNIX command line may be based on German grammar.
IronBird@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
US likely would have had a civil war without WW2
grue@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
LOL, America’s Hat doesn’t count as a real separate country, silly!
disclaimer
(The sentiment expressed above is in furtherance of a bit and does not reflect the actual opinion of the commenter.)
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
You’d be better off either convincing allied nations to provide aid to Germany after WW1, or befriending Hitler and convincing him it has nothing to do with Jewish people.
If successful they’ll be no Israel Palestine conflict.
krashmo@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Hello, is this England? Yes, it’s me, a time traveler. Would you be terribly put off if I asked you to be friends with Germany? I know they’ve been quite cantankerous of late, but I promise it’s in the best interest of all parties for you two to get along. Cheerio!
Now, where did I put the phone numbers for France and Belgium…
affenlehrer@feddit.org 20 hours ago
Genau, wäre vielleicht nicht verkehrt, wenn wir alle Deutsch sprechen würden :)
raef@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
That would be more likely if the US stayed out too long and let Nazis better entrench themselves across Europe.
See: The Man in the High Castle
KombatWombat@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Convincing the allies to be sympathetic to Germany after WWI would be really hard. While the US had Wilson trying to establish cooperation with the League of Nations, he had to compromise with others who wanted more punitive measures. France had long-standing ire with them over Alsace-Lorraine and wanted them permanently crippled, since their shared border made them a looming threat in the future. They also suffered a lot of damage and needed aid themselves. Britain’s attitude was kind of in between. Plenty of people guessed the treaty could lead to another war in the future, but many were too angry to really care. So we got stuff like the war guilt clause.
A professor in college told me Hitler went from about the normal amount of racist to turbo racist after having some chemicals leak into his brain near the end of WWI. So Hitler’s racism might have been a symptom of actual brain damage. Either way, racism and conspiracies don’t tend to come from a rational position so it is very hard to pull someone out of them with reason.
I doubt Israel would exist without Hitler but there would still likely be some conflict in the region. Britain made the Balfour Declaration before WWI had even ended and the collapse of the Ottomans Empire that controlled the region left it unstable and in British control. They would have supported the jewish minority in the region even without the Holocaust available to help them justify creating a new state.
raef@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
The Great Depression was going to come along and end up affecting Germany
BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I mean, there’d also be no Israel. The creation of Mandatory Palestine, which would go on to be Israel, was just the British answer to the “Jewish question” after WW1, if you can just convince the Brits to be chill you can prevent a lot of atrocities
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 18 hours ago
Literally 1984!
FavouriteShapes@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
That was a very very very interesting thought experiment and a very satisfying explanation for questions like “why did God create Hitler,” if you’re religious. Truly we cannot decipher the tapestry of history except for from the other side.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
> no red alert timeline
echodot@feddit.uk 14 hours ago
Yeah this is the Hollywood version of time travel but in the real world that’s not how things work.
Adolf Hitler didn’t invent Nazism, any more than Donald Trump invented MAGA, now just two individuals who were the right moment in history to take the opportunity, have they never existed someone else would have done it possibly later on but it would still happened.
Nazism for example came out of frustrations with the rest of Europe over the treaty of Versailles. If you want to prevent World War 2 it isn’t enough to kill Hitler you have to first prevent World War 1, in order to prevent World War 1 you really have to prevent all the stupid little wars that predated it. The number of people you would have to kill in order to prevent Nazis is enormous, probably in the thousands.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 14 hours ago
You claim to know how time travel works in the real world?
Don’t believe you until you show me your time machine.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 11 hours ago
There’s only one solution to time travel paradoxes that resolves all of them, makes some kind of sense, and doesn’t require generating an infinite number of additional versions of the universe - single coherent timeline. The universe as it is now is the sum total result of all time travel that will ever have happened to a point in time before the present. You can’t go back in time and kill Hitler because you didn’t, which means any attempt you might have made to do so clearly failed. Likewise for the grandfather paradox, if you go back in time to kill your grandfather, you already failed in your mission.
Awful views aside, one of the things I gave JKR credit for was doing a decent job of adopting this model of time travel in Prisoner of Azkaban. Then she threw that out the window for Cursed Child because she’s terrible at any kind of world building consistency.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 hours ago
I know how history works. I don’t need a time machine to know that a country in economic dire straits will find someone to blame. I just need to look at contemporary US politics. If you’re ever in doubt start a war, preferably somewhere in poverty so you don’t get your asses handed to you, inevitably miscalculate, and get said ass handed to you. Wait 20 years and then do the same thing all over again.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
No, someone else might have done it. There is literally no way to know.
echodot@feddit.uk 11 hours ago
We kind of do know though. Hitler latched onto a movement that already existed he didn’t create it, the world is full of potential leaders they just need a cause. I’m so someone would have been found.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Though I do wonder what kind of cascading effects there would be to eliminating Mussolini from history.
i_love_FFT@jlai.lu 2 hours ago
Maybe we wouldn’t have gotten the song Bella Ciao
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
preventing ww1 is like preventing nuclear armament - you’d have to convince all the major powers to renegotiate all of their treaties and alliances and make them trust each other by being more vulnerable.
You couldn’t do that today, let alone 120 years ago.
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 3 hours ago
Considering that all the major nations upper classes where willing to send their young over the top to get a few inches of french soil I would say it would take a lot of talk to get them to calm down. Some countries where willing to go to war because they didn’t want left out. It was also an age of honour and national glory so people are high off nationalism and the next fix is going out for a good fight.