Goddamn It
European Commission rejects new laws for Stop Destroying Videogames
Submitted 2 weeks ago by ampersandrew@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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absquatulate@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
FenrirIII@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lobbying will always win until people start busting out guillotines
purple_mimosa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
it’s literally corruption with makeup.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
People like to say the US is a corrupt cess pool, and they’re right, but so is the rest of the world. EU isn’t an exception when corporate profit are on the line.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Money wins again.
It’s not a big enough issue for the pols to come down on the side of the people. They know they won’t be voted out on this one decision, so they came down on the side of the money.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
On the bright side, there’s not enough money in live service anymore, so plenty of companies are getting cold feet when it comes to making games that can be killed anyway. Yeah, that’s a reach for a silver lining, but it’s something. I’d like to believe that the action they say they’re taking will result in real change, but it sure doesn’t sound like it.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
there’s not enough money in live service anymore
Got a source to back that up? I’d love for it to be true, but all I’ve ever heard is the opposite…
Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“They say that existing EU consumer law “already provides for important safeguards protecting the economic interests of consumers”, and note that video game publishers have to inform about “the duration and the conditions for terminating the contract before the consumers signs up for the video game”.”
Well that would be cool, but anything about the duration and conditions for terminating the contract i’ve ever read on boxes or terms of service is: " We can do whatever we like, whenever we like, just so we’re clear’ (im slightly paraphrasing). So it sound to me like the EC says: " Well these sellers said fuck you up front so they’re immune to any responsibility". Cool, cool. I saw a digital fairness act, but maybe we can hang something up in the mandated warranty tree? So if a game shuts down in 6 months barring you from playing, you would be entitled to some form of restitution instead of hoping the dev has morals.
Still doesn’t solve that corpo’s have their fingers over the killbuttons on our cultural heritage existence, so, you know, there’s a lot of work to do still.
Patrikvo@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
o it sound to me like the EC says: " Well these sellers said fuck you up front so they’re immune to any responsibility"
Upfront? As in the UELA you get to read after opening the box, at which point you can’t return the game anymore?
Kjell@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
EULA is not valid in EU. Contract terms that are unfair under EU law have no legal or binding force on consumers.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Its not the eu’s job to protect cultural heritage. What kind of nut job comes to conclusions like this?
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
here is a quote from the european commision:
the EU is committed to safeguarding and enhancing Europe’s cultural heritage.
so stfu and don’t talk about what you don’t know.
BigTwerp@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
It’s a basic premise of European and EU legal systems that you cannot use a contract to subvert national or international law. I guess the difficulty is who exactly enforces the existing laws that are supposed to guard against consumers getting ripped off.
Hond@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
As it is the tradition in the sector, I hope the industry will listen to player communities and agree on better sunsetting standards so communities can continue to meet and play together.
lol. lmao even.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Industry? Listening to customers?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Especially the fucking gaming industry where the likes of EA, Ubisoft, and all the HUGE companies now owned by Microsoft have been shitting on consumers with absolutely staggering impunity for decades!
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The European Comission being corrupt as fuck really doesn’t help with growing anti-EU sentiments. This is why people lose faith in the EU.
Prosecute Ursula von der Leyen for treason and crimes against the European Union. Dissolve the European Comission and/or give more power to the European Parliament.
How are we supposed to be the leading democracy if only the arbitrarily-appointed commissioners can introduce new legislation?
How is it a functional democracy if one of the most successful citizens’ initiative is essentially being ignored, because it doesn’t align with corporate interests?
President von der Leyen, along with the rest of the European Comission, are digging the entire European Union’s grave. And they’re doing a very good job, unfortunately.
Tommelot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Calm down.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Treason?
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
She has repeatedly made decisions that cost the EU and benefitted the US. Putting foreign powers’ interests before the European Union’s sounds like a clear case of treason to me.
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 weeks ago
I would also like to know what the hell they are talking about.
Jiral@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are also calling for the complete abolishing of the government of your country and thereby call for the destruction of the political system, when you don’t like the government in office, or is it just something you do with the EU
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
My country’s government has been democratically elected. If it makes terrible decisions, the people have the choice of electing a different one. In theory at least.
The European Comission is not democratically elected, and regardless of how batshit insane its decisions are - we have no legal pathway of changing it.
The European Comission is not ‘the political system’ of the European Union. It’s one part of it. A part that is undemocratic and needs reforms as soon as possible.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Funfact, anytime someone utters the phrase “leading democracy” that just means they have drank the kool-aid and are either too blind, ignorant or stupid to realize there’s no such thing.
Every government is corrupt as fuck as a base line. There is no leading democracy they all fucking suck.
Every government sucks.
Some just suck more then others, the only upside to democracy is they at least typically out right murdery to their own people most of the time. And pretend to play nice.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nobody said anything about governments or even democracy itself being good.
‘Leading democracy’ just means it’s the best out of all available democracies, regardless of how bad they all are or how flawed the system of democracy is. It’s relative.
atro_city@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
What the fuck @EUCommission ? You are listening to people who don't represent the majority of users. Fuck you.
Vittelius@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
*citizens, not users
SoupBrick@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Good video to show how bs the corpo claims are. Especially the licensing claims.
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The government does nothing. More news at 11.
kalapala@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Corruption. Corruption everywhere.
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
TLDR “we have been successfully lobbied/bribed/corrupted into doing nothing (we may end up making it easier for publishers to do whatever they want)”.
Lot of EU supremacist/jingoist gamers gonna be feeling some serious cognitive dissonance tonight.
kevinsky@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Lot of EU supremacist/jingoist gamers gonna be feeling some serious cognitive dissonance tonight.
Eh?
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Never had any faith in them anyway, just empty old suits that should have retired 20 years ago and now just want to get a bit more money before they keel over.
Best solution is to just stop buying games and go back to piracy, only way to keep your games these days.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The reason these games can be destroyed is that even piracy is often impossible. The ones you’re pirating are more often than not going to be the ones that were never at risk of being targeted by this petition.
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Then start considering buying games that you can also get through piracy, as long as you keep giving them money and allowing them control nothing will change.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
EU commission does what everyone expected them to do: Deciding based on lobbyism.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Nobody voted for paper straws, glued bottletaps or AliExpress tariffs. Enough people voted for this.
EU is hardly a democracy. More like an enlightened despotism. “All for the people, but without the people”.
Jiral@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I get the feeling you are not really aware how the EU functions. Despotism is absolutist rule, calling the EU or any EU institution is pretty absurd. There is hardly a political entity, less centralised than the EU. Also, while there is a democratic deficit (but hardly larger than in many other democracies nowadays), the Commission is elected into power by the directly elected European Parliament and can’t pass ordinary legislation without a majority in the EP in support of it and the latter having the power to amend the hell out of anything if it doesn’t outright veto it straight away.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Europarliament representatives voting has nothing yo do with the programs they get elected for.
When they present themselves to the election they show people a program. Then they do whatever they want, nothing to so with that program they were voted to achieve.
It’s a detached institution. People elected for the european parliament get outrageous salaries, and barely get audited.
I remember when chat control was being voted. I wrote my representatives, none of them answerer, none, not a single one. If they cannot even talk to me about things I worry sure as hell they are not representing me.
purple_mimosa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We have a serious democracy deficit. And without democratic accountability, it’s hard to see a bright future for it.
Jiral@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Commission is accountable to the directly elected European Parliament, by the fact that the latter can vote the former out of office anytime.
mrfriki@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I knew this was coming and still somehow feel disappointed.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 weeks ago
Hey, maybe it’s not that EU is a failed and totally corrupt state but they simply don’t care about video games that much? You know, with global economic crises on the horizon, new war in the middle east, growing threat from Russia and the collapse of NATO? Is that possible?
reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
then why not do as people ask if they dont care?
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 weeks ago
Because they don’t care? They won’t spend time on it because it’s low priority?
Kjell@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is it the same people that works with wars and video games? EU is big and they can work on many things at the same time.
EU has done improvements on our right to our hardware, which includes right to repair and software updates of the operating system for five years. Looking into the right to our software, including video games, could have been the next step of that.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 weeks ago
Yes, those are the same people. Not the same people will write the whole bill but the same people will have to move it through all the legislative process and vote on it.
Yes, EU has done many improvements. That’s why I think it’s silly that everyone says they are corrupt just because they didn’t agree to work on video games. It’s like people can only see one thing at a time.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Fuck the Eu Commission. They are traitors to everything the EU stands for.
MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Uh, they are the EU.
rtxn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Uh, they are not. The European Commission is one of two legislative bodies. The European Parliament is where SKG has a much broader support.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Realistically though, it can be quite a complicated situation. One I’ve written about numerous times before. Servers behind the scenes can be incredibly complex, especially when it comes to games that have DLC and micro-transactions. And then you have to add to that the licensing on music and other things. Plus various other things I’m not thinking of right now
Holy lazy writing Batman!
As if this all wasn’t adressed by SKG 100 times before.
nicpicname@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I come to distrust the EU with opinions like this every day
reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
list everyone who voted for rejection, dig up what else they have been up to, make sure people know and will not forget. no peace for these assholes.
leftascenter@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
The EU commission is not democratic. The Parliament is. And of cours the power lies with the commission.
Jiral@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The EU Commission is elected by the European Parliament into power and can be fired by the European Parliament anytime. Pretty much standard for governments in parliamentary democracies. If that isn’t democratic, you don’t consider parliamentary democracies democratic in general?
The Commission is unique in the way that it alone can initiate legislation but the right to initiative is routinely blown out of proportion. In most countries this power of their parliaments is mostly facade nowadays, because the governments there are actually drafting legislation and if needed parliaments just rubber stamp the initiative. This is further watered down because both Council and Parliament can propose legislative initiative to the Commission, which the Commission usually follows through. While the Commission can try to prevent legal initiative, it can do little to prevent the amending of current legislative proposals in the works. This is actually relevant for Stop Killing Games, if you followed the news of the initiative.
mecen@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Is there something we can do? One more petition? I will sign it again.
fdnomad@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
:(
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I very much doubt this will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and causes us to rebel against the system and tear down these structures of oppression that benefit business and capital at the expense of people and humanity. But it could be, and that excites me.
ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Government will not do good things if you’re not organized enough that you don’t need government.
Etterra@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Also you need to bribe them. Like a lot.
Ice@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
…and they wonder why we become EU-sceptics…
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
coincidence the same time they passed a pretty regressive anti-immigration law.
Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Bummer
silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
Cringe. The tentacles of Pirate Software are far reaching.
it_wasnt_arson@awful.systems 2 weeks ago
How obsessed can people get with one inconsequential guy for being cringe on the internet?
rtxn@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I see a lot of defeatist commenters are content to lie down and let this be the end result. I’ll let the man himself explain why this isn’t the end: www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgoODQFrPgw&t=734s
tl;dw: There is a much broader support for SKG in the European Parliament, the other legislative body besides the EC. They can’t introduce new legislation, but they can modify existing legislation; specifically, SKG is targeting the Digital Fairness Act.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Definitely not the end of the movement, but it’s still disappointing that they reached anything other than the obvious conclusion with so much grassroots support.
Jesus_666@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Expected, though. The EC is not exactly known for having sensible opinions.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Ah, the one that’s actually VOTED for (rather than appointed by “The Council”) is more responsive to the will of the people! Imagine that!