1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
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Stern@lemmy.world 1 day ago
yermaw@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I need a few more verses like this in my arsenal. I don’t want people citing religious texts at me for how to live my life, Ive read like 5% of the/a christian bible and zero of the others. I don’t agree as a concept, might as well be quoting star wars at me, but if they insist on fighting with the book its nice to have ways to win with the book.
cyberwitch@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Try Psalm 137 on for size. 8 O daughter of Babylon, doomed to be destroyed, Blessed shall he be who repays you with what you have done to us! 9 Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rocks!
Hosea 1 is wild: 8 “And when [Gomer the harlot] weaned No Mercy (And I thought Tragedeigh was a bad name for a girl!), she conceived and bore a son. 9 And the Lord said,” Call his name Not my People, for you are not my people, and I am not your God.
Also if fundies claim that the husband leads the wife like God leads the church, Hosea 2 gives a good idea of what “Godly husbandmanship” looks like.
And of course, Leviticus is full of all kinds of “fun” things to have as soundbites, like humiliation rituals for menstruation or” suspected" infidelity, when a rapist can marry his victim, and how badly you can beat a slave before you get into trouble for it.
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 22 hours ago
“oh, you’re lgbtq? well time to puff-puff-pass” - leviticus 20:13, stoner version
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m a practicing Christian and go to church every week. I also think homophobes are shitheads who don’t deserve the love and mercy of God.
The biblical scholar Walter Bruggeman wrote a great essay on the interpretation of homophobic biblical verses that is really good (outreach.faith/…/walter-brueggemann-how-to-read-t…).
But also just plain old have some common sense that the people of the ancient world didn’t have the same insight we do into human attraction and sexuality, and we can grow and evolve and know better. Also, even if you don’t agree with people being queer, you also have the ability to shut your mouth about it and keep it to yourself, and be the loving Christian you profess to be no matter what your personal beliefs are, and you have no right to tell people who to love, period.
CtrlAltDefeat@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Why do you practice a religion that requires any practicioner to interpret these abhorrent texts in their own manner? It just leaves a lot of room to interpret anything the wrong way. And unsurprisingly, some people will interpret this in a homophobic way, and honestly, I can’t blame them. The texts themselves are just wrong and shouldn’t be preached.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 13 hours ago
Because they’re a fucking idiot that believes magic people come back from the dead and that some vaguely sapient being created the entire vastness of the infinite universe with its mind boggling complexity, and sent another magic person to earth to help humanity, and that instead of offering actual help, like, you know, telling people that mold kills bacteria, he just said a bunch of shit about love that can easily be misinterpreted.
Seriously, if Jesus had just taught people about penicillin and then died he’d have done infinitely more good and infinitely less harm than he did.
ryan213@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Does the majority of your congregation share your opinion as well?
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Everyone does, and we have some queer and trans congregants too. Our official position is that we welcome all queer people in every way. Actually a bunch of people at another church left and joined us because that church came out as non-affirming of queer people.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Probably depends on which version of Christianity they go with
HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The Bible is open to interpretation
GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I interpret it as a mid fantasy book. The epilogue is fucking boring as hell.
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The modern translation is a fairytale but if you get into the original Greek bible texts and supporting and opposing texts from Greco-Roman civilization it paints a very interesting picture of the corruption of the ancient world into the situation we call Western Civilization today. Hopeful eras where humanity improved like the Renaissance and the American Revolutionary War were in large part due to study and reemergence of pre-Christian pagan ideas from Greek antiquity.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I believe that line was originally written as “man shall not lie with boys” and is about pedophilia, not homosexuality.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Nah, it was about the sinfulness of sharing Lays brand potato chips
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Excellent point, buttnugget
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
And translation issues. Words and meaning can change a lot when something is translated. Leviticus went from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English (and most other modern languages of course).
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
imagine believing in such a hateful ideology. I’d be ashamed to say i am christian.
glorkon@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Of course Christians are absolutely fine with people being gay.
After all, they’re the ones down on their knees hoping for a man to come for the second time.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
meanwhile they ignore that King David was gay in the bible. like super gay with no heterosexual interpretation possible.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Question: does fucking a parallel universe self count as being gay? Does it count as incest? Self-cest?
What about fucking yourself from an hour ago through time travel? Are you double-gay? Does that means you can use a Uno +2 card on the catholic priest?
FatVegan@leminal.space 1 day ago
Masturbation is incest, i die on that hill
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That just sounds like masturbation with extra steps
undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 2 days ago
And God, despite being male presenting, identifies as non-binary.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world 1 day ago
In the UK it’s “A man who walks with another man”
MTZ@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Huehuehuehue
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Mordekaiser? What are you doing here?
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
It is an interesting story, but I don’t think the Gay community is being helped by bibles quotes. Hateful people quote the bible to publically justify their hate, but its not why they hate. The hate comes from within and will be justified in a million different ways.
If you corrected all the bibles today, automagically, a new prophet will suddenly appear to reveal god’s wisdom to kill gays tomorrow.
1984@lemmy.today 2 days ago
I have experience with this myself. In my country it was rare wirh black people when I grew up, and there was a lot of actual racism. I was also racist back then because I didnt like black people. They were different and annoying.
But as more and more black people have arrived in the country, millions of them, they are everywhere. And almost nobody is racist anymore. Its normal for everyone who grows up now. Nobody thinks about it.
So it will be the same with gay people. It will take time but eventually, the generations who grew up with many gay people around wont hate it at all, or think about it. It always happens with time.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I don’t think the Bible actually says that, but it would be funny
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
however the Bible says that being gay is normal and cool.
with a King having a gay lover and writing poetry that says “his love was greater than any woman”. and he’s still considered one of the greatest kings in the bible.
King David, putting the Bi in Bible
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 hours ago
The joke is that the bible says they should be stoned as in having stones thrown at them, not the other meaning.
Anyway, the people of biblical times didn’t have a concept of homosexuality so it doesn’t make sense to say they condemned it. They condemned male same sex activities as much as wearing clothes of different materials and many Christians come to the conclusion that both is fine. But if you have hatred in your heart, you will skip “love your neighbor” and select the few passages that can be interpreted hatefully.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 22 hours ago
I get the joke but I’m not sure the Bible actually says those words “a man who lays with a man should be stoned”. I know it says men shouldn’t lay with men.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
CONE not CORN,
DUMMY
smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Something something corn hole, giggity.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Ironically the verse was mistranslated- it was a man who lays with a boy
advocate.com/…/how-bible-error-changed-history-an…
Glide@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Of course it was. Of course Christianity took a line intended to protect children from abuse and “mistranslated” it to be homophobic.
docoptix@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Well it is also very important for Christians that molesting boys is just “oopsies” but not gay.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Can’t really pretend that it’s not interpreted that way by some Jewish people. Not Reformed but certainly among the Orthodox.
axexrx@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Iirc, the hebrew word that gets translated to ‘lay’ is also a pretty suspect translation. Its only other usage in the OT (and our only other known context for it) is to describe a man pursuing his wife’s servant, and contextually, is more likely to mean ‘molest’ or ‘rape’ than to describe consensual sex.
The 2 words translated to ‘man’ are also different- the first being ‘ish’ the second being ‘zachar’
While both can generally refer to anyone male, ish can be used in the context of ‘anyone’, or ‘husband/ man of the house’, whereas Zachar is often used biblically to refer to young males, and /or subordinates.
So put together, this passage is likely ‘nobody should be molesting boys,’ or ‘a master shouldn’t rape his servants or children’
cliffracer_cloaka@piefed.social 2 days ago
yeah because they cared so much
stop those isgusting apologetics
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Huh? What was I apologizing for? The passage is mistranslated in English, wtf are you on about?
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You know that discussing the Bible is not the same as apologetics?
I get religious trauma sucks, but the critical analysis of primary source texts from the ancient Near East has absolutely nothing to do with your shitty pastor giving you a hard time for being gay.
I invite you to name a 9th century BCE society that fits whatever moral requirements you think are needed to make a culture worthy of historical study.
Ellvix@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Unfortunately not mistranslated, but for sure another outdated thing to ignore. I heard it was probably discouraging people from joining a nearby cult thing in Egypt that had male male acts, which sounds like it was more about religious competition than homosexuality, but I’m no expert.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Except it was mistranslated? There’s been quite a few studies showing it
cyberwitch@reddthat.com 1 day ago
A lot of scholars point out that homosexuality wasn’t really a concept in the ancient world. Neither was marriage for love or anything other than a means to perpetuate genes and familial property. But what was very much a concept was machismo. Being a “bottom” (in different terms back then) was considered degrading and “womanly,” and that was typically the issue at hand, according to many scholars, such as DanMcClellan, Robert Alter, and Jerome Walsh.
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Have they not hear about power bottoms?