The seeds are carried by birds and can survive in a dormant state for years.
Lots of stuff like trees washed away by rivers end up floating in the ocean.
But it’s also perfectly feasible that a limited trade happened far in the past.
Polynesians show that you can reliably cross even the pacific on boats made using stone tools and fire.
Honestly wtf?
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mech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Humans before the Ice Age were fishing for tuna in the deep sea and were coastal hopping everywhere there are coasts to hop.
baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
theneverfox@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Limited trade… There were full on global trade networks through most of human history. Ironically, not as much across the Atlantic, because civilization in the Americas was centered on the West coast
But you find all sorts of stuff turning up everywhere. Not much of it, and most of it is lost to history, but enough to establish that global trade networks were the norm and not the exception
MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Same as Rhipsalis_baccifera.
flora_explora@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
Oh wow, didn’t know that! :O
becausechemistry@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Graduate students famously never make mistakes (like including their own hair in samples) and also never smoke weed. So that couldn’t be it.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They especially don’t smoke weed. No sir!
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
And especially not mushrooms, no way.
ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Datura Stramonium isn’t weed and is almost never used by anyone… also it’s not from south America
fossilesque@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Its likely origin was in Central America,[2][4] and it has been introduced in many world regions.[5][6][7]
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The swallow may fly south with the sun, or the house-martin or the plumber may seek warmer climes in winter; yet these are not strangers to our land.
weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT COCONUTS MIGRATE?
whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Depends on if it’s being carried by an African or European swallow.
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Plumber?
deHaga@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Failed mechanics
skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yes that puzzled me too, I checked like 5 different transcripts and they all said the same thing.
Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Don’t, every trip report is horrifying, there are better ways to get high, that are also safer.
On top of being a bad experience datura doses are very hard to get right, you are very likely to overdose and die. And like I said, If you don’t die, you will get a traumatic experience that can possibly fuck your mental health for decades.
Alternative drugs exist if you want to get high. Please check trip reports and harm reduction sources before trying anything.
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Like salvia but worse. And every salvia story is awful.
Kaput@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
isn’t that like the nightmare drug, that you can rather easily die from?
Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeh, I just want to make a weak tea and slowly try it out.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I also did salvia but I wouldn’t touch datura with a 10 ft pole.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh god, I wouldn’t touch salvia divinorum either unless you want an intense, mind-melting trip that lasts 5 minutes and a sweaty itch all over your body that lasts for 8. That’s not a recreational trip, that’s for people who want to feel uncomfortable as a new life experience.
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I tried stramonium a couple times by smoking some seeds, I would describe it as unpleasant enough to not bother again, in the just not worth it category.
Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How was it unpleasant? You don’t have to answer. Im curious.
chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
i’ve not done datura myself but by all accounts it’s much more like benadryl than salvia, to the point that benedryl is described as being “like datura junior”. you should check out some of these trip reports and think long and hard about if that experience is worth the risks to you.
tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hi, drug nerd here. Especially psychedelic plants and fungi.
Don’t.
And not just because I tried it in my twenties and had a really horrible time. But also because I’ve learned a lot in the last two decades about the plant, and that potency of the alkaloids and it can vary significantly.
A dose someone took in a trip report where they had mild effects could cause temporary or permanent blindness for you. Because the plant that you are consuming may be a lot more potent than theirs was.
But yes, the trip is horrible. If you want to know what it’s like it’s a form of delirium. So if you’ve ever been up for long periods of time in your mind has started playing tricks on you it’s like that. On top of this you also experience urinary retention, which means I spent the night getting up to use the bathroom while delirious and being unable to pee.
And remember I mentioned temporary blindness, I had what you could call the opposite of tunnel vision. I wasn’t able to focus and could really only see using my peripheral vision. This effect lasted well into the next day.
And while I was actually high, I was mostly experiencing audio hallucinations and I just wanted it to be over so I tried to sleep through it.
Eq0@literature.cafe 2 weeks ago
Wouldn’t there be other possible plants that would provide the same alkaloid compounds?
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That was what I thought until I reached this citation.
Charred capsules of Datura stramonium were recovered in a Middle Bronze Age ritual pit at Prats, Andorra, ca. 1600 BCE103
Eq0@literature.cafe 2 weeks ago
Ohhh daaaaam!!
Hoimo@ani.social 2 weeks ago
But if it was growing in Europe at that time, wouldn’t it be all over the place and be in books in the Middle Ages? Unless the Bronze Agers somehow smoked all of it.
thejoker954@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Birds?
Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Have to be migratory, of course.
DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Damn Central American Swallows!
discocactus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They have a higher velocity, you know.
negativenull@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios!
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 2 weeks ago
Uh, that’s… Shit! I was going to sleep soon too!
MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I live in the middle of nowhere in Eastern North America. Saw some growing all by itself in the middle of the lane. It never came back in that spot and I’ve never seen any other plants. The seed pods are really spiky and light, they must hitch a ride on stuff.
I decided not to try it after reading a few “trip reports”.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
So, you’re telling me that this plant…
puts sunglasses
Went on a high trip.cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I was going to research this myself, but then I got high.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was gonna right my final report, but then I got high…
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
And now I’m shitposting on Lemmy and I know why, yeah-heah…