Why don’t we start to do this in reverse? “Я гей-фермер из Владивостока. Я поддерживаю слом системы.”
I work long hour and make little money
Submitted 11 hours ago by MTZ@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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DonEladio@feddit.org 10 hours ago
Mika@piefed.ca 5 hours ago
Because russia is not a democracy and an average russian is staying away from politics due to learned helplessness. Because of multiple factors, even protests won’t change anything. You can call for sabotage, but that isn’t what an average person would do.
Besides, their internet is far more restricted. They don’t have access to twitter. They use vk and registration there essentially requires a gov id, 1 per citizen.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
You grow up in those countries, you’d soon learn to keep quiet.
My family was all born in mainland China, we live in the US right now, my parents keeps telling me to stop criticizing the government, as in neither the governments of of PRC and USA. Because in their mind:
dissent = trouble
shut up = safeWhich I mean, to be fair, seeing how PRC allegedly has overseas operatives and also the US’s current autocratization, they might actually have a point.
I don’t agree with that idea, but I get where they’re coming from. They lived through the Cutural revolution stuff. My dad was a kid during those times, my mom was born near the end of it, but she heard direct first hand accounts from my maternal grandparents. So… those fears gets passed on. My mom told me many times to not post anti-government views on the internet… even here in the US… 👀
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
…even protests won’t change anything.
the fact that you get Siberia’d for holding a blank poster on the street says more than enough to this end.
Levitator2478@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
Not sure whether this is serious, but to provide a serious answer: you can’t create a healthy democracy by spreading misinformation. Misinformation that’s aligned with your agenda might help push it in the short term, but it also undermines trust (in this case trust in what the average person is saying, since you can’t tell who genuine participants in a discussion are). In a low trust environment, people tend to gravitate toward big personalities and believe sources and make decisions based on their own gut feelings (i.e. their personal prejudices) rather than on things like people’s real experiences and accurate information from trusted institutions.
Demagogues like Putin thrive in this environment because ultimately they don’t have (or care about) solutions to the average person’s problems. They get by based on personality, stoking prejudice etc. But policies that are based on the truth and what the average person actually needs suffer.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
That’s part of why russia is like this actually. Propaganda both pro and anti soviet wasn’t telling the whole truth and shit got weird
DonEladio@feddit.org 8 hours ago
It was a joke. I lived and worked in Russia for some years. I understand that the country has more fundamental problems to resolve.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Do you mean propagandise the Russian population? The West is already doing it by way of Radio Free Europe, NED and other NGOs. It is not a discussion that comes up often, but on occasions Russian trolls will bring up about color revolutions Russian spheres of influence that advocate for democratic reforms, which is catalysed by the West through said media and institutions. Hence, for the Russian jingoists and Kremlin, their own propaganda against the West is justified. But if you ask the trolls what is objectively bad with promoting democracy? You will get crickets. That is certainly better than propping up illiberal and regressive groups.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Don’t forget PBS.
Sesame Street is literally one of the most effective pieces of western propaganda. Reaching, primarily, kids and moms, in oppressive, patriarchal societies.
Better pull the plug from that, right Donnie?
toofpic@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
In this exact case you will be wadhed away with a wsve of homophoby. Because in Russia, many people with otherwise sane and non-destructive views are still homophobic. To compare with some other country, I would say it’s something like in Turkey.
So if I was trying to improve Russian society through “good kind of propaganda”(not sure it’s a thing), I would start from something else, and not from this problematic topic. Otherwise if will be generally harder to find wide support.
And when I’m thinking of that, homophobia in Russia is just a result of people “worrying too much about other people’s shit” - everyone knows how you should or shouldn’t live, and ready to tell you about it. So if you work on that in general, that would help.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
I hate this shit the problems with America and its oppression isn’t primarily due to scary “foreigners” its homegrown and refusing to confront it as such makes it impossible to destroy and feeds into warmongering and xenophobia.
Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
It is possible to care about multiple things at a time
Wilco@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
You missed the point. Twitter just revealed that many of the deranged MAGA influencers are from outside the US.
The main issue with MAGA is actually foreigners! Suprise surprise. That is what the meme is making fun of.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
Yes, US hasn’t got a monopoly in propaganda and internet narrative manipulation. And this was in 2013.
…catsarch.com/…/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_pos…
Surprise Surprise!
MTZ@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
While I think there is a huge honegrown issue, the foreign influence is another gigantic problem that can’t be ignored and it was just 100% proven.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
if a weed helps an invasive but native species grow, whose fault is it?
it’s the rich assholes fault that keep telling us that it’s the grass’ fault for growing that caused the invasive species to spread.
who planted the weeds? the rich.
MTZ@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Issues like this are systemic and need to be looked at in at a macro as opposed to a micro way.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
You can tell it isn’t real because everyone in Youngstown in a mafioso
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
In Soviet Russia, Bubba blow you!