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  • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    To be fair, everyone’s views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, it’s quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isn’t really how people work.

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    • AreaKode@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The key is to be constantly aware of it. Never follow someone blindly.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So, for example, don’t blindly accept casualty numbers for Russia directly from the Ukrainian government?

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      • pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s true, but you still follow some propaganda. You are aware of it, great, but what’s the difference between someone following the propaganda being aware of it and someone following it blindly?

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    • DicJacobus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia

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      • ProvableGecko@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.

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      • AppleTea@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        No other country has done as much? We’re gonna just ignore how much support Israel has thrown behind Trump? Netanyahu was meeting and communicating with him during the 2024 election cycle, all while ignoring the Biden administration! Snubbing a sitting president for a prospective candidate!

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Image

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      • LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We need a national online forum

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    • sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You’re not wrong. I like to think I’m immune to proponganda because I’m anarchist but it’s pretty obvious that I can be fooled just as easily as anyone by the pretense of speaking truth to power

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      • safesyrup@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        My then history teacher said everyone is affected by propaganda, even trained and studied individuals like him. To think you are immune to influence from other people is very naive.

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, but most propaganda is not specifically fascist in nature.

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      • pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? It’s bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyone’s happiness. Specifics don’t matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.

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    • Photonic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While that is true, some propaganda is definitely more harmful while some are relatively harmless.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      its one thing to have different kinds of propaganda , but RW only consume 1 kind of pure propaganda as thier sole source of information.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      For sure, but the Kremlin is like Sauron, and most other propaganda is about which stew is best.

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    • nialv7@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I am not going to believe your propaganda! My pristine, untainted thoughts won’t take this slander. /s

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    ML is basically the same too.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      whipping out my Horseshoe Theory graph

      So, as you can see, the tips of the horseshoe are where the Russian Propaganda lives.

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      • rockerface@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I prefer the Pac-Man interpretation

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      • joyjoy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Hey horseshoe theory, wanna… touch tips?

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    • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      [lemmy.world/post/29072279](Documentation Megathread )

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    • sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So I’ve seen.

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  • M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, let’s just ignore the right-wing think tanks, conservative/MAGA influencers who aren’t on Russia’s payroll, and right-wing “news” organizations. It’s totally just the Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselves…

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    • Denjin@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What’s so insidious about russia’s psiop over the last few decades is that all they’ve done is gently nudge the dial. They’ve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions, they’ve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.

      And if you think “haha stupid MAGAs” falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, you’ve fallen for it too.

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      • M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’ve fallen for propaganda that convinces you that there is an external enemy to worry about instead of actually looking at the situation critically. Right-wing organizations drive right-wing talking points.

        They’ve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions

        Pretty sure they did that to themselves. I didn’t need Russia feeding me propaganda to see through the bullshit, and many others reached that conclusion on their own. The Fairness Doctrine being repealed is one big reason why traditional media failed. Russia didn’t do that.

        they’ve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.

        Right-wingers and liberals alike have polarized discourse. Leftists aren’t innocent either, especially MLs (many whom seem to be biased towards Russia), but there are plenty that I have interacted with that or witnessed that were exceedingly fair and human.

        Liberals blame anybody to the left of them for not falling in line, constantly mock or berate them for demanding better, and do absolutely nothing to meaningfully do anything to improve their preferred party or improve the human condition in America. As for the right, we all know what they do.

        middle ground has evaporated.

        Politics and governance shouldn’t be a game of tug of war where the right have a monster truck pulling their side and Democrats pretending to hold the rope on their side.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And if you think “haha stupid MAGAs” falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, you’ve fallen for it too.

        Good thing you’re immune, though. Now tell me more about how all of the West’s problems are actually because of a vast conspiracy theory of evil foreigners.

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    • phdepressed@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia. Not solely but enough to make them bigger than they’d be otherwise.

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      • M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia.

        You seem to know more than me based on your response. You are claiming an amazing amount are presently funded by Russia, source?

        Do these people also take money from right-wing organizations?

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    • DicJacobus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They haven’t been on russias payroll for years.

      They genuinely believe the shit they swill. By and large the paid agents were 5 to 10 years ago.

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    • LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The majority ARE on Russia’s payroll, it’s literally how they got famous. They were blackmailable, due to crimes including visiting illegal porn sites and snuff sites, which has content literally made by Putin of his prisoners and people he dislikes to warn others to stay in line and to get blackmail.

      So Russia picks someone they can blackmail FIRST, and THEN has them make content that they advertise and have bot armies (slaves, human slaves) talk about in comments etc. They do this EXACT strategy wirh crypto tickers and with fundraisers like for Gaza. If the bots (HUMAN SLAVES) do not perform well, they get tortured, starved, etc. It is literally thousands of people in these networks, and they are working in concert with BRICS, not just Russia.

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      • M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You can source your claims. I’ll wait. There is too much here that is hyperbole and not based in reality.

        If a majority of right-wing influencers are literally and currently traitors, that is a serious accusation and requires serious proof.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is literally qanon tier conspiracy theory

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You know America is cooked because even the liberals refuse to believe that any flaws in their glorious perfect country are home grown. They can only be the work of subversion by evil foreigners

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, I don’t think they need to be on Russia’s payroll anymore. They’re in deep.

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      • M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        How is Russia controlling their talking points now? Is everybody on the right threatened, blackmailed, or are otherwise under duress? We know they aren’t the most intelligent bunch, but they are being traitors for their own reasons - for the most part.

        The major talking points mostly came from the aforementioned organizations and outlets even when some of these people were being paid.

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  • catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So 80% of lemmy.ml users?

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    • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Probably not 80% of their users, but definitely the majority of the active ones.

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  • anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Im seeing this just after having a while conversation about conservative Christians making a big deal about ‘finding truth in faith’ after the Kirk shooting and this feels similar to me

    There’s this clear implication that the ‘truth’ can only be found through your ideological worldview, and a complete abandoning of any attempt at justifying or supporting it through reason. Any piece of information that’s misaligned is dismissed as propaganda - but what’s especially annoying is that it doesn’t even have to be coherently opposed to truth but merely distracting from what’s supposedly more important.

    Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet - but I wouldn’t even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.

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    • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      but I wouldn’t even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.

      ;>

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too. its one of thier core strategies to distract west from russias geopolitical aspirations. i think russia has USA beat on being propagandized, usa is probably 2ND, if at most 3rd.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You know America is cooked when even liberals are coming up with grand conspiricy theories to blame all of the countries problems on sinister forigners. Any evidence that “russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too”? Of course not, but it feels right, because it explains the current state of things while still maintaining American exceptionalism, so that’s good enough.

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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s Kremlin propaganda my friend.

      Divide from within.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It doesn’t bode well that even American Liberals are all turning into the villain from Dr. Strangelove.

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  • Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    THE LARGEST MOST COMMONLY WATCHED BEST FUNDED MEDIA OUTLET ISNT MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!1!

    😡

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    • EarthshipTechIntern01@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How else do you define “mainstream” than ‘most commonly watched’? TBH, ALL of the major news teams (CBS, ABC, CNN, msNBC) have succumbed to PumpkinLord’s rhetoric (almost NO calling out his lies or unconstitutional ploys).

      Fox is the Eye of Sauron. May Reagan burn in intolerable hell for unleashing that shit upon us.

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  • doingthestuff@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is true. Also there are zero mainstream media outlets that are not propaganda of some kind or another at this point. When you intentionally read all kinds of biased news it becomes more and more obvious.

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  • renzev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I personally like to listen to both sides of the story so that I can absorb 2x the disinformation

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    • affenlehrer@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The cancel each other out of you’re lucky

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      • renzev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It depends on the phase. Sometimes you get constructive interference and they add up instead.

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  • EarthshipTechIntern01@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    TBH, Rupert Murdock HELPED Putin refine/put RT on steroids. He was marketing his propaganda (division) here in the USA since Reagan let him through the door. Russian extras are just a bump up in the last 10-15 years.

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  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Uh huh. The ol’ ‘anyone who criticizes NATO proxy wars is a Russian stooge.’

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    • SapientLasagna@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As opposed to the old “only the Great Powers have agency” gambit, which is actual Russian propaganda. Heaven forbid countries other than the US, Russian and China be even conceived of being able to take actions on their own.

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      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And what actions are those? Like partnering with the west to install a far-right regime?

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  • Una@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I only trust cats :3

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    • T00l_shed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I see you’re in the (warm furry pockets) of big cat!

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  • DandomRude@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda. To me, that seems like a lame excuse for the US getting itself into this mess.

    In any case, there will certainly be no mysterious agents coming to rescue you from your self-imposed fascism. You’ll have to do that yourselves, so I would strongly recommend that you stop assigning blame and finally do something—otherwise, you won’t be able to post on Lemmy anymore because you’ll be brought into line by the state—then you could complain about Russian conditions, if that were still possible.

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    • LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You don’t know why because you are PROFOUNDLY uneducated about it.

      Here’s a documentary from 2018 with McCain and Clinton: youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA

      There’s also the book American Kompromat by Unger that goes into SUBSTANTIAL detail for DECADES and shows how Russia has been accruing blackmail globally.

      And then multiple protests globally (Romania, Georgia, Slovakia, Serbia) regarding online Russian interference plus many many memos including from our own government.

      home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766

      Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe). It’s more effective than bullets and biowarfare in some ways. Idk how you can’t see how big of a deal it is.

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).

        I love completely unsourced xenophobic conspiracy theories topped of with McCarthyist witch hunting

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The best propaganda takes advantage of flaws already present in a culture, it doesn’t try to create new ones

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      • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You mean like propaganda taking advantage of the fact that most Americans are already incredibly xenophobic to blame all of America’s problems on evil foreigners

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      • Nasan@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is an extension of the adage that the best lies contain elements of the truth.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda.

      Because liberals are nationalist American exceptionalists, so they need to find something to blame Americas problems on other than America itself

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  • Nikls94@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People who consume only a specific source of media are biased as fuck. You don’t consume only media that’s in favor of your beliefs. You have to consume the other side’s propaganda as well. The truth is rarely spoken by anyone and lies somewhere in the middle.

    The truth isn’t content. It isn’t engaging. Statements are.

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    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Right wingers, do it in a specific way, they have either fox on all day long, or if they are on the computer, they have X, joe rogan or a right wing talking head video playing in the background for hours on end. thats how they reinforce the biases.

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  • William1A@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      FOUND ONE!

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  • fnrir@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Damn… I’m desperate, but even I wouldn’t suck that

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  • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean, sure, like a year ago but at this point I also don’t trust what the government and mainstream media say.

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  • theUwUhugger@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Some feel special for being contrarian!

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  • Ileftreddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Russia and China have been manipulating discourse in the US since 2016; and American media is happy to let them.

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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      • Ileftreddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Calm down, grandma

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  • Decoy321@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sorry, op. I’m locking this thread to prevent this comment section from becoming a dumpster fire.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Same statement from me, very different result. Death to fascists!

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