What would you guys even talk about?
Maybe someday đ
Submitted â¨â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago⊠by â¨cm0002@lemmy.cafe⊠to â¨[deleted]âŠ
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Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Idk memes n stuff
Lemminary@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
bicker* :D
RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Beans and jeans, have you not been paying attention?
Foni@lemmy.zip â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You can block it for yourself if that works for you. You donât have to limit other peopleâs options.
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
It doesnât work, on Lemmy block is nothing more than a mute, and the instance âblockâ (mute) does not even affect the individual users of an instance, just hides the comms of that instance from your view
Lemmyâs âblockâ still leaves you open to all manner of brigading that theyâve been known to do
And it still allows conspiracy theories, propaganda and misinformation to spread and fester and affect users who are unaware
They literally have articles over there spreading the Russian propaganda that Putin is justified in invading Ukraine because itâs âfull of Nazisâ
Besides this is the Threadiverse, there will always be an instance with wide federation if you as an individual choose to open yourself up to that kind of âcontentâ
explodicle@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You should make a fork with a block that works!
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Brigading is a feature of Lemmy.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I can block .ml communities in my GUI. But I canât block its users, unless I go 1 by 1. Blocking the communities is big, but not enough.
Foni@lemmy.zip â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I think you can block the entire instance, not community by community or user by user.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
A lot of the people giving ML a bad reputation came over from Hexbear after they were defederated by almost everyone, I suspect the angry commies would just create a new account on another instance.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
And? Better to let them have to engage as a normie instead of having an entire instance astroturfing their BS.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâd rather they stay on ML, that way I can block the instance and never hear from them.
ora@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâm personally not on lemmy.ml but they literally advertise what their ideology is. If I go to a meeting of socialists in my community, I am expected to be in agreement with, or at least tolerant of, socialist viewpoints. If youâre entering lemmy.ml youâre expected to tolerate ML viewpoints, obviously.
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
They do not, Hex and Grad, yes. This is the current homepage of lemmy.ml, nothing indicates them being a Tankie Instance supporting Authoritarian regimes and their misinformation:
ora@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The ML stands for Marxist-Leninist. I recall it being clarified better when I last visited several years ago. âWhat is Lemmy.ml?â is a link that expands on the instance as ânicheâ rather than mainstream.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yes but being federated with them means they can have their conversation in your space or overrun it, hence why op is saying it would be better to defederate
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Thatâs why instances, communities, and users can be blocked and banned. If âtheir conversationâ is not allowed in âyour spaceâ then do the thing and move on.
yourgodlucifer@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Nah .world would suck all by itself they have their own brand of censorship
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
What censorship? I have documented evidence of .mlâs rampant censorship
If .world is doing their own flavor then whereâs the receipts?
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I got banned for anti-white racism from political memes lmao the crime was linking readsettlers.org
frostysauce@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
OMG nobody fucking cares.
steal_your_face@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Ugh ml users are the worst
lemonuri@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I honestly donât know what the big fuss is about. I became member of Lemmy.ml a couple of years ago when it was basically the only existing instance if I remember correctly. Iâve never seen any drama apart from posts like this that claim the admins suck or the users suck. Maybe those claims are even valid, but do they even affect the average user at all. Iâve considered changing instances even, but it seems rather a lot of effort for a lot of hot air to me.
crusa187@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I strongly suspect this is conservative persecution complex. Sometimes I wish these types of users would go back to Reddit, but Reddit is such a hellscape now I wouldnât even wish that on condescending .world users. Rather them stay here and bolster lemmy numbers, even with their shit takes included.
Jax@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yeah I simply do not understand how you can be an ML user and have somehow missed the blatant abuse of moderation powers surrounding users like Cowbee.
You either just donât pay attention or you arenât on Lemmy much.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Go look at the modlog.
You might be a member of .ml but are you active on .ml communities?
Iâve been banned for asking if someone would genuinely prefer living in North Korea over the hellhole that is London or New York.
Iâve been banned for linking to the Wikipedia page for âactually existing socialismâ because the page for it wasnât flattering.
RandomVideos@programming.dev â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Thats not true, lemmygrad and hexbear exist
tryagain@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Jeez whatâd I do
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Well, thereâs one thatâs worse.
nerdschleife@lemmy.zip â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
After lemm.ee went down I joined ml because it was the largest instance đ
I didnât know the backstory
uuldika@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I definitely didnât know how heated people were towards .ml when I joined. istg Iâm not a tankie.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Quick, say something bad about Russia! đ
Lemminary@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Oh yeah? Prove it, cowboy! đ§
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Lol itâs ok, they do things purposefully like that to an extent to get that result. Like if you go to Lemmygrad or Hexâs homepage its quite clear youâre somewhere weird that needs further investigation.
You go-to lemmy.mls homepage and it looks like a normal âprivacy focusedâ instance. Until you innocently comment in support of Ukraine or something and find yourself being dunked on and banned for supporting a âNazi regimeâ
MITM0@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Just like how NATO is a defensive alliance
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
.world is Shitlibia so you did fine.
AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I may not like the .ml political stance, but there are definitely people on there that have non-political things worth listening to, which is why I havenât bothered blocking them. They may have some good opinions on open source software and such. I just avoid their news community because I know I will disagree with them and their stance.
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The spread of Russian propaganda and misinformation is in large part the reason for a lot of the right-wing BS. Thereâs been articles and documentation of their Misinformation campaign for at least a decade now
âRussia, shit military, fantastic intelligence serviceâ ~A lemming comment I read once but canât find again
We should not be a party to itâs continuing spread
Pilferjinx@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
They can always venture out of .ml. Theyâre much better behaved when they do, which is great for everyone.
jaxxed@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I like being exposed to opinions I donât agree with and donât like - it makes me feel like I am not just hiding in my bubble. I will admit that there are anti-capitalist threads in there that I agree with.
socsa@piefed.social â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This would be a fine sentiment if the feeling were mutual with the .ml admins. Their entire thing is aggressive censorship of ideas they disagree with, so if your ideal is free exchange of ideas, then you support the opposite of that by engaging with them.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
True, but .world isnât much better.
Taleya@aussie.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Thereâs hundreds of instances you can use for that that arenât tankie payops.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Time to change your diaper, OP.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Honestly .ml and .world deserve each other. Sh.it.just.works too, most common in my blocked user list.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
What did we do?
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
We exist.
Nah, probably because some people find the url funny and annoy people with that account.
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Be bigger than them. Probably see you as some sort of threat. They always shit on the big instances, Iâve seen Hex users refer to SJW as âShit Just Stinksâ before and they were celebrating the .ee shutdown. They consider .world some sort of right-wing instance run as a CIA/fed psyop
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
came here to make the exact same 1st statement. .world is quite a bully friendly instance.
Just look at my modlogs from them. Feds through and through.
I know nothing irt sh.itjust.works
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Why is this on shitpost? Dudeâs got a mega thread with references and receipts.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
No. I donât think a group of bad actors should kill an instance. We all have so many tools to ignore people or entire instances.
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
.ml is the âbad actorâ in this case for one, and for two, one of those tools is defederation. Nobody is talking about forcing .ml wholly offline.
Grad and hex are perfectly alive even with most of the network defederating from them.
Klear@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
What if the bad actors are admins?
FreakinSteve@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Then .world would exist
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I think even then itâs easy for us to block them. This is why I really liked lemm.ee
I had the power to see everything. If an entire group was heinous, it was my choice to never see it again, not someone else.
Tyr_Raidho_Othala@reddthat.com â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yeah, Hexbear and Lemmygrad are instant blocks. For .ml, you either joined on the wrong instance or are too deep into communism dreams
Photuris@lemmy.ml â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Nobody told me all this when I signed up. I was simply instructed to pick an instance, and I did.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Well, luckily, you can make an account elsewhere and not have people assume youâre an asshole because you associate (unknowingly) with assholes
Daemnyz@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I did the same, but I never had any negative interactions on .ml tho. The folks over on Hexbear are a different kind of strange, but harmless in the end, and of course you regularly read bullshit on all instances, but itâs just different tastes of shit, the ammount stays the same. After I switched from Reddit to Lemmy I started to encounter such a plethora of different opinions, itâs insane! :D If the deal is that from time to time I have to tolerate some idiot picking a fight about communism or Russia or Gaza or China etc., I gladly accept. One Thing you really have to give too all the tankies is that (on average) they are far more likely to cite sources for their claims. Do they do it so you can learn, or to smugly proof a point? I donât care
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This is one of the downsides to Lemmy, youâre expected to understand what the hell an instance is before you even use the platform.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
sky traffic? wow so cool
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Hah! Do you really believe this would make things better? (X) Doubt
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
those tankies would be very upset if they could read.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Lmao tankies are notorious for their reading lists lol. Here e.g. is an introductory one lemmy.ml/post/22417306
explodicle@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Thatâs just asking for a treasure trove of links to theory
LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You sound like a communist. I hate communists, because they think we can just get rid of the state after we seize the means of production.
pinguin@fault.su â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
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ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
.world needs .ml else it would just become Reddit 2.0, just as boring and asinine, but without the traffic. .world is the kiddie pool⌠but not everyone knows how to swim, so it fills an important role!
cm0002@lemmy.cafe â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
But your logic supports .world defederating .ml so that when a user is ready to âleave the kiddie poolâ they do so by moving to a wider instance, like .zip
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Everyone needs a taste of anti-imperialist and non-Western takes, either for their sanity or just for their ideological development. I know Americans are gonna need them since the empire is coming home with full force, for instance. Without them, without âradicalsâ like those in .ml, the folks will just be fed a new narrative to curtail their cognitive dissonance (itâs the most imperceptible of buzzes for the least cerebral among us but itâs still there) and theyâll eat it up because thatâs all theyâre exposed to. So, no, they should be connected, for the sake of exposure. Itâs important too for those more .ml-coded to read, post and quickly check the downvote/upvote ratio in .world just like it was/is on big subreddits to get a feel of what the average literate Westerner, who at least considers discussion important (better than your average American, for instance), is thinking/has been fed recently.