Submitted 1 year ago by Pat12@lemmy.world to [deleted]
I know of someone who says they listen to Joe Rogan podcasts (political I assume) but I don’t know what this means or what the connotations are. Both this person and I live in east asia.
I don’t know but if someone told me they listened to Joe Rogan, I would assume, the best case scenario is they are Libertarian. Worst case is Qanon nut job.
Yup, 100%. People don’t realize…
i don’t think he’s a qanon, i don’t really know what that is but i don’t think we have those kind of people here in asia (our politics are focused on different things)
I don’t think he’s QAnon. I don’t think he believes MOST of the nutjobs that he lets on his show, or even cares what they believe. But he lets a bunch of QAnon people on his show, so a bunch of QAnon people listen to him. And he keeps letting weirdos on his show because that’s what his listeners want.
i don’t think we have those kind of people here in asia
qanon is a 4chan/8chan thing that is part of www - that includes people posting from Asian countries. There are definitely Asians on there. There were definitely Asians who went along with that movement.
I’m Asian too. Has nothing to do with the qanon movement.
I immediately assume that once someone brings up Joe Rogan they are easily susceptible to authoritarian propaganda and should be avoided.
Rogan brings on guests who argue in bad faith for topics which they are unqualified to comment upon. They provide no evidence and Joe immediately agrees with whatever random bullshit they spew out. Doing this creates the image of credibility (big podcast man agreed with psycho, maybe I should agree with psycho), and since perception is reality that image has value.
I immediately assume that once someone brings up Joe Rogan they are easily susceptible to authoritarian propaganda and should be avoided.
What if they’re just talking about his previous acting career?
I immediately assume that once someone brings up Joe Rogan’s previous acting career they are easily susceptible to bad acting and worse comedy and should be avoided.
That’s entertaining, and for frequent listeners it lowers the threshold of disbelief. Because obviously Joe has some areas of true expertise. How to distinguish that from bullshit? He talks about all of these things in the exact same mannerisms.
He is a right wing extremism gateway. Also an antivaxxer, but I repeat myself.
He wasn’t originally. He examined some pretty neat subjects. Such as aliens and effects of marijuana and other recreational drugs. Amongst many doctors and experts on niche subjects that were interesting.
But somewhere around episode 500 shit started getting wonky. I just stopped enjoying his podcast.
Yeah I don’t remember exactly when he went completely off the rails, but early on it was just a chill podcast that talked about the kinda shit you’d bullshit with your buddies about
This is exactly what happened to a friend of ten years of mine. Exactly; he was the gateway drug to this: theguardian.com/…/everything-youve-been-told-is-a…
mom, I’m seeing Nazis everywhere again
Well first his show is one of eh biggest podcasts in existence and spent a lot of time at the #1 spot - it’s not just a new thing.
Compared to other career interlocutors we might name from old media like Barbara Walters or Michael Krasny, Joe Rogan is a major step down on intellect. He doesn’t really prepare for interviews - reading the subjects book or whatever. He just wings it and spends a lot of time nodding and saying “wow.”
This is a problem when he invites on guests who spew misinformation. Joe doesn’t know it’s misinformation because he doesn’t research. And in fact he seems to think he’s a rebel journalist who hosts people that others want to silence. And he himself falls for many conspiracy tropes, frequently throwing out phrases like “they don’t want anyone to know this.”
So you’ve got a big dumb show full of misinformation that reaches a lot of young people. This is a problem for a lot of folks.
Others love Joe and find his lack of intellect relatable. He’s just a “regular Joe” to them. Maybe they don’t want a fancy interviewer who’s read all the books. Maybe they want someone just as uninformed as them so the information conveyed in the interview arrives at their level.
Sadly, Joe’s now hosted many of the top minds in the world. People like Neil DeGrasse Tyson just see him as a podcast host who’s popular with the youths. So why not go on his show. These people have boosted his numbers even more and legitimized him. Then he brings on a vaccine denier and it all goes to shit. He seems to thrive in the criticism, too, doubling down on the fact that he wants to investigate the things everyone else wants to bury (when his critics say he’s just giving the worst people in the world a platform).
You make it sound like he just uses the Socratic method to give weirdos the rope they need to hang themselves. And maybe that’s true for a sophisticated audience who already come in with solid critical things skills in place. When they don’t, as is often the case for his under-25 audience who are still coming up, the appearance is that he treats them as legitimate - the same as he treats NDGT.
I listen to Oh No Ross and Carrie frequently, and it does a similar thing except they actually do research and make sure to inform the listener about what they say that’s wrong, misconstrued, or a lie. They look into the background of the people and their history and a whole lot of detail into what they’re pushing. They don’t just give them a platform that doesn’t push back. It’s irresponsible to do otherwise.
I stop listening to anyone who uses the word “misinformation” unironically.
I can’t believe you would tell on yourself like this
You know that’s a real word that applies to things right? If someone is saying the earth is actually flat and making up things to prove it, that’s misinformation.
lol this ain’t the flex you think it is, chief.
The connotation is that Rogan is an idiot who might be a decent guy, but he will say and do anything to prevent his guests from being pissed at him. This includes, but is not limited to, agreeing with some of the most toxic, misogynist, people you probably know.
Joe Rogan is a bigot. If your friend subscribes to bigot content, they probably harbor some bigoted beliefs. Any sane, non-bigoted person would recognize the fucked up shit that gets platformed on his content.
Bigot is a strong word for him. I guess if you are pro-trans athletes in sports you would find him that way, but I can’t really think of other issues where he expresses close minded views? Fucking guy learns and changes his mind when presented with evidence, which is a huge reason I can listen to him. Even if some of the subjects and guests are kinda fucked up or dull or misinformed.
Like, tulsi gabbard last week reading a thing from the UN and totally either misunderstanding it, or worse, twisting it into saying something it 100% wasn’t. And Rogan was just kinda like “I dunno maybe” as he’s not very confrontational, very often.
I mean off the top of my head, he laughed at a friend who “joked” about coercing women in to giving blowjobs by threatening to withhold gigs from them, he’s hosted Jordan Peterson and Matt Walsh, the first “merely” transphobic, the second, a self confessed fascist and transphobe. He’s also suggested that supporting trans folk is a sign of society collapsing
As the person you’re replying to said, if someone subscribes to Rogan, they likely hold some bigoted beliefs, because the guy is absolutely a bigot.
well, i don’t know fully. neither of us speaks english as a first language
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No he isn’t, and you’ve provided no evidence for this, you’re just wildly ranting buzzwords.
Rogan says dumb things regarding covid, but he has the opportunity to interview some amazing people and many significant conversations are part of his podcast history.
The connotations are that they aren’t too bright.
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In the way that white middle class housewives watched Oprah, white fitness bros tend to like Joe Rogan for all the same reasons:
Its where they get their news, their political misinformation, their permance enhancement drug info, and their pseudoscience wellness products.
Used to be Art Bell, then a breif flash of a Johnny Carson … that got turned into an Oprah.
And npw it seems, from afar, to be filling the vaccum formerly occupued by Alex Jones.
Why would you do art bell like this lol. I get the conspiracies but he wasnt only boosting the right wing like the rest.
Rogan has 2-3 hour interviews with people from every walk of life but got obsessed with COVID misinformation.
Rogan has explicitly supported gay rights/marriage, drug legalization, prison reform, and other leftist positions, but recently appears to have become swayed by right-wing talking points to the point that he is unnecessarily confrontational.
He has some amazing podcasts in the bank with amazing people, and has some newer podcasts that are garbage. He has like 1500 3-hour podcasts.
So look up some of the athletes, the biologists, the astronomers, geologists, a lot of interesting non-political podcasts before covid happened and you’ll probably learn a bunch of interesting things.
But anything remotely political in the past few years is pretty rough to the point that I haven’t listened to any of his podcasts since.
Politics aside I would say the connotation here is that this person isn’t very intelligent. I don’t mean that as a statement on their intelligence but instead that Joe Rogan falls into the category of anti-intellectual, low bar entertainment. I’d consider Joe Rogan to be the equivalent of a tabloid paper but for people who listen to podcasts.
Lot of unhelpful answers here. I’ll try my best.
In a nutshell, Joe was a UFC commentator who also avidly practices various martial arts. He’s also a successful stand-up comedian. Being personable and well connected, he started his podcast interviewing friends, comedians, and celebrities.
It should be fairly obvious how he appeals to people interested in masculine personalities. In particular teenagers, young men, and people who aren’t very secure in their masculinity tend to like him.
He had/has a rule of letting nearly anyone on the show so long as he felt he could have an interesting conversation with them. To massively simplify, this ultimately led to him having some questionable political provocateurs on the show, many right wingers. Combine this with Joe’s non-combative interview style, and his show ended up being a platform for some pretty out-there political theory. The way he talked about COVID struck many people as pretty irresponsible, for example.
Eventually, many who are left-of-center were scared of even associating with him. That’s a problem for your public image if you claim to be a centrist, as Joe does. Or at least he did, I haven’t kept up with him in a while.
TL;DR: if you listen to Joe Rogan’s podcast people might think you’re overly concerned with your masculinity or that you’re being indoctrinated into extreme right-wing politics.
Joe Rogan is in the business of making reactionary content for people who respond (regardless of whether that response is good or bad) to reactionary content. A bit more advanced that YouTube videos of prank fake bank robberies or filling a car with cement. But still in the same vein. He says things about hot button issues that I don’t necessarily think he believes just to be controversial. He also tries to legitimise those options (even ones he doesn’t believe in), and his fans believe him and therefore hold him in high esteem.
There is the potential for the person you know to like him or his show because it’s absurdist in content. However it’s more likely that they like it because it feeds certain biases of there’s. A world view that they embrace that doesn’t necessarily match reality. The politics in your country may not be the same. But the politics in the US definitely have an effect on just about every other country in the world. Not all of Rohan’s takes are political. He spreads a lot of general misinformation. I wouldn’t be surprised if your acquaintance was just looking for validation in his content.
Guys a tool and gives an audience to losers who don’t deserve one, but in all honesty his interview with Brian Cox is magnificent. Though, that has got more to do with Brian than joe whose role was to be the subject of the ELI5’s.
Ask them their stance on apes. If they stay an ape could mess a dude up their probably just into martial arts. If they say something racial they are probably racist. And maybe you shouldn’t be friends with them.
To my knowledge the Rogan community is strong advocates of the ideas that most other great apes can beat us up.
i actually can’t tell if you’re serious or joking lol
I often can’t too.
What if their response is “unzips Dicks out for Harambe”?
Thst thing’ll rip your arms off, bro
For me, it kind of depends. If Rogan is interviewing an actor, comedian, or MMA/UFC fighter, he’s more in his element, and the interview can be alright. The problem is he’s kind of an “all sides” show and he doesn’t really understand all the stuff some of his guests pedal. This is problematic when he has folks on pedaling stuff where he doesn’t recognize and call out the potential toxicity. A good example is someone like Jordan Petersen. A guy whose credentials would seem to indicate he knows what he’s talking about. In reality, a lot of the MRA-adjacent BS he spews sounds somewhat reasonable, if a bit “edgy,” on its surface. Petersen knows it isn’t actually backed up by any research (which is where his credentials are), it’s just his musings that he’s found an audience, and quite a bit of money, espousing. This is a problem because Rogan doesn’t usually call this stuff out for the dog whistle that it is, and he has a massive audience.
More right wing than left wing. An anti vaxxer to a degree.
He told people repeatedly to take ivermectin, was critical of masks, downplayed the severity and impact of Covid and has guests like Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson and Matt Walsh.
I’ll try to give an unbiased answer. Joe Rogan podcasts aren’t just political, but they do discuss political topics frequently in conversation. The connotation for a regular listener is that they are very likely to be misinformed, plain and simple as that. As many have already said, it’s likely that they are libertarian at best or into conspiracy theories and alt-right at worst. I’ll explain why:
He brings in a lot of different guests to his podcasts. These guests could be celebrities, athletes, book authors, researchers, actors, etc. Sometimes he would have politicians, from left and right. He would also bring in people who spread conspiracy theories, aka “qanon” types.
He never confronts any of his guests. Some people hate him for it, others listen to him precisely because of that.
Rogan gives a platform equally to all of his guests and presents and treats them all as if on the same level of legitimacy. This means, today he interviews a scientist who is an eminence in their field, with 30 years experience in research… and next week he brings in some influencer on the same topic, who doesn’t understand the science behind what they say. Both guests sound equally knowledgeable to the average listener.
The problem with this is that this spreads misinformation, and if you as a listener are not already well informed on the topic then you are likely to fall for it. Most people don’t question everything they hear, let alone understand in depth anything discussed superficially over a podcast. This is evident with science, but it gets really hairy when you add politics and personal values/morals to the mix.
I hope this helps you understand better.
"He never confronts any of his guests. "
This is false as of the past year or two (post-Covid). Now whenever he has a scientist on, he'll argue and disagree with them, especially if the topic is Covid, vaccines, or climate change. He really likes the gish-gallop argument method where he spews a bunch of long since discredited claims on the topic.
Yeah he does confront his guests (though not any of the alt-right or qanon ones). It’s pretty clear he has an agenda, despite everyone claiming he’s just some kind of enlightened centrist.
I’ll take your word for it, I haven’t listened to any of his for several years now.
A lot of the comments above are super creepy in how neutral they are on Rogan, who is well known to be a far right conspiracy crank who mostly platforms other cranks and super bigoted people and credulously spreads their claims as accurate.
He very rarely has actual decent people on and, frequently when he does so, tries to argue with them that they're wrong. Especially if they're scientists.
Wow
His whole thing has been that of being a skeptic for many years, whether it’s in legitimacy of certain combat sports, whether pumping your body with TRT will have any negative effects, or in what medical professionals push. This seemed all fine and dandy when the political landscape was sane, and when society didn’t need people to follow medical advice.
Like many, he’s realised that his fans will follow anything he says, and he’s become more vocal towards his own views. For lack of a better term, he’s an influencer, and his views influence people. From a MMA perspective, many would say that this has had an effect on his ability to call the sport he’s an expert in, because his analysis is often pretty poor - even compared to commentators with minimal knowledge of the professional sport.
The connotations for Rogan is that fame corrupts. The connotations for your friend are that he might be exposed to utter bullshit and assume it’s correct because “Rogan brings experts on the show”.
You are not going to get a normal or accurate response to your question here, just so you know.
And where would one go for a "normal or accurate response" then? Because it's common public knowledge that Rogan is a right wing misinformation and pseudoscience pusher. Especially since the beginning of the pandemic.
What this response signals to me is that if you’re critical or point out the negatives of what Rohan does, your opinion doesn’t matter. I’ve seen plenty of accurate responses here.
Just Asking Questions
Otherwise known as a JAQoff
I feel like this is the type of question that needs to be asked on different platforms to get a proper feel for what people think about the guy. You won’t get an objective answer from any one place.
You won’t get an objective response on this website, unfortunately.
Because it's left-wing and Rogan mainly appeals to far right conspiracy cranks?
I’m as far left as it gets and I listen to Rogan sometimes. It’s just a podcast for entertainment. He has a large platform and nobody controls him, people don’t like that so people talk a lot of shit about him. Some if it’s warranted, some if it’s just shit from people that are repeating what they’ve heard about him and don’t actually listen. Listening to it doesn’t mean anything, it’s just entertainment with a lot of different guests. Some you might find interesting or funny, some boring, and some completely crazy. Guy can make money however he wants, people can listen to whatever they want.
Joe Rogan is a mainstream celebrity with a very popular podcast. If you took all of the comments in this thread at face value (including your own) you’d think he was some sort of terrorist.
This site is overly left wing is the problem. People are getting down voted for saying it doesn’t mean anything bad and higher rated comments are taking this way too far for assumptions because they’re projecting their personal feelings of Joe.
Where can you? Every platform has a bias, this is just one of the rare ones that have a left one. You can still listen to what people have to say and use your brain to figure out what part is objective and what is subjective.
Another nice thing here compared to other platforms is that most people here offer some more serious input and care more about politics and the world, compared to normie platforms where every dumbass mindlessly repeat their propaganda.
My friend, you’ve asked this question in a very left-leaning forum. As you can see, most or all of these answers are gonna be from people who generally disagree with Rogan. If you want to get an idea of what his podcast is about there’s lots of short clips from his podcast on YouTube. I think we need more context as to why your acquaintance is saying this to answer questions you might have about connotations or meaning.
Reality is left wing. The posts aren’t wrong.
Long way to avoid saying all of the important things
He’s pushed pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, discouraged young people from getting the vaccine, given a blank check of a platform with no opposition or fact checking to climate skepticism, transgender hate in sports, made LOTS of racist comments that just keep popping up, liberal use of the n word, fearmongering some slippery slopes about “the wokes”
Doesn’t matter which side of politics you’re on, Joe Rogan is batshit insane these days.
Depends on the context, but generally it indicates a lack of critical thinking and a capacity to be easily swayed by sensational claims. Joe Rogan has no legitimacy as a journalist, and a checkered record when it comes to the veracity of what and who he presents on his show, which has shifted significantly rightward over the years, going from pot smoking and ancient aliens to diet supplements and anti-vaccine narratives. Generally, in the US, Joe Rogan fans are predominantly white, male, and right-wing with a libertarian bias.
I enjoy Rogan. I hear shit I should know without the msm slant.
Some of his guests are batshit crazy, but I think he just gives a platform to everybody. You know, free speech is also freedom to disagree. But censorship isn’t good, and he’s not about that.
From time to time his guests say some ridiculous shit though. I’d say I agree with maybe 40% of the content, disagree with 40%, and am neutral or uneducated on the 20% in the middle. It’ll spur me in to read / listen to other topics and expand my knowledge base so I can form an opinion.
There’s a load of shit brought up on Rogan you might otherwise have not know, because the media is a stilted propaganda machine.
“Censorship?” Does everyone deserve to get on his talk show? Are those that aren’t “censored?”
No. He has to draw the line somewhere, and he has. Where he’s drawn it – who he invites to speak to his enormous audience – is very instructive indeed.
By looking at all the alt-right, conservative, and qanon guests he invites on his show, we can tell who Joe Rogan is: a useful idiot for the alt-right, if not an enthusiastic enabler of them. And he is as bad at interviewing guests as he is at selecting them. He lobs dangerous, loaded questions at the worst people in the world, fails to challenge even the most basic errors they make with their answers, and idiots lap it up because they want to imagine they’re smart.
If he was alive a hundred years ago, he’d been enthusiastically debating the Jewish question and “free speech” people around the globe would be nodding sagely and being happy someone is finally willing to stand up against “censorship” and “international Jewry.” Because he’s alive now, he’s just doing that about vaccines, racism, trans people, police violence… basically anything where it’s possible to have a bad take, he’s interviewing someone about it.
Counterpoint - you’re cherry picking. He also invites left wing guests and gives them the same opportunity to speak.
He has a vast audience because a more centrist view of things appeals to a huge # of people. Your description of his audience is reductive and close minded. Yep, there are people who fit that description. And there are going to be others who fit every other description you can write down, too. Why? Because hundreds of millions of people listen.
He doesn’t just “give a platform to everybody” for the sake of free speech, that’s not how free speech works when you’re a host and/ or owner of a media company. He hosts a certain crowd because he wants to. It’s his show.
Literally all media is biased. If someone tells you that they are unbiased or if some other show is, they are lying. Rogan is friendly to capitalism and drug legalization, and there’s nothing wrong in disclosing it (even if I don’t personally agree with the former).
It’s an incredibly popular podcast. There’s every possibility the connotations are wrong about this specific individual. I wouldn’t try to dig too deep into it.
The best thing would be to listen to some of what he has to say and make up your own mind.
Don’t let the mob tell you how to think because the mod doesn’t think.
ForgetReddit@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Joe Rogan is a clueless buffoon, and admits such, and leans libertarian. He also thinks he’s a neutral philosopher and doesn’t recognize his subjectivity.
A lot of uneducated people think they’re enlightened by listening to him but most of the time the show’s material is not really based in reality.
Pratai@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
He’s a “libertarian” in the sense that like most libertarians…
he’s a conservative that’s too afraid to commit to the bit.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Libertarian has become just a code word for pushing conservative views to people who dismiss conservatives.
Pat12@lemmy.world 1 year ago
could you give a few examples? This person was listening to something about Joe Biden
Screwthehole@lemmy.world 1 year ago
His recent viral moment discussing Biden was about how he’s no longer lucid, and shouldn’t be let to run for a second term. His guest was trying to say how much worse trump was, but Rogan doesn’t really think either ought to be president in 2024.
balls_expert@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
He’s pushed pseudoscience from ice baths to loonie egypt bullcrap to just about all of the facebook posts your grandpa shares around with no critical thinking at all, conspiracy theories, discouraged young people from getting the vaccine, given a blank check of a platform with no opposition or fact checking to climate skepticism, transgender hate in sports, made LOTS of racist comments that just keep popping up, liberal use of the n word, fearmongering some slippery slopes about “the wokes”