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do you think freewill truly exists?

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Goku@sh.itjust.works⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, this literally is how it works, like to a T.

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  • Kichae@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Look, I told you yesterday, I don’t care. Whatever I said the first time we had this discussion, today, on the 937th time, I no longer give a shit.”

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  • Novice_Idiot@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nope. Free will is an illusion that we have because we live in a world that’s too complex to predict. We are a product of our circumstance.

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  • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No small talk only big talk

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  • scytale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because the statement is incomplete. It should be “hate small talk with certain people or strangers”. You can hate small talk with most people but at the same time talk with your spouse for hours.

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  • curiousaur@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well do you?

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  • Opisek@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Honestly yes that’s kind of what I do.

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  • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “free will” is chemical process. Chemical processes are dictated by the laws of physics.

    You don’t have any more “free will” than an apple falling from a tree. Or a ball rolling.

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    • crt0o@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The laws of physics are not deterministic at the fundamental level, we clearly experience some kind of agency, so doesn’t it make sense to assume that it could be the origin of this indeterminism?

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      • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Rolling a Quantum dice is not freedom.

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  • untakenusername@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    no ofc not

    youve got the illusion of it, but you cant control if you will move away from a flame or when you feel sleepy

    and the rest of your thoughts are just funky chemical

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  • solsangraal@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “i just don’t think this relationship is going to work. i need more small talk.”

    “…the fuck? ok, bye”

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  • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yep.

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  • menas@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No I think not. But the feeling of freewill do exist and seems universal. So if we have a fact based approach, it does not change much. I think there it a lot of proof that freewill is at least very weak compare to social determinism.

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  • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes.

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  • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Anyone down for a sustained meaningful relationship? I’d really like to discuss the comparisons and contrasts between Happy Meal toys and gambling

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    • DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      no because you pay for the food not the toy the toy is just a bonus thats free

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    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, because you can just ask and pay for the one you want.

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That was basically my exact response when someone made the comparison. Ostensibly though, the idea is that you get a random result in your happy meal, and it’s designed to encourage you to buy more to collect them all. If the only difference is in the reality of being able to essentially bribe the House, then I don’t see a meaningful distinction.

        I guess we’re dating now. Lemme know next time you’re in Kansas so we can catch a movie or something

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  • Plesiohedron@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think it half-exists. I speak from a deep inspection of will performed while meditating.

    There is a spark of energy that arises from my mysterious depths, that preceeds choice. I dunno where it comes from. Like I said, mysterious depths.

    The spark enters this world and takes its form from it. Becomes a choice. Taking form from formlessness like breath blown into a flute. Or a player’s will injected into a videogame.

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    • ynthrepic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That “spark” is whatever consciousness is in the end I think. Everything else is subject to direct inspection and can be found to be deterministic or emergent, not actually subject to any kind of “will”. I speak also from insights gained while meditating (or doing psychedelics 🤗)

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  • Cocopanda@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No. Because the people in power use their influence to torture everyone else.

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  • HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No. Last I knew, PET (?) scans appear to indicate that decisions are reached by your unconscious mind before they’re made by your conscious mind; the implication is that what you believe is you making a choice is actually you rationalizing a choice that’s been made through processes that you can’t directly see or affect. IF that’s correct, then people are quite deterministic, as long as you know all of the inputs.

    But on a practical, day-to-day basis, calling it ‘free will’ is a convenient fiction or shorthand. While free will may not exist, we largely believe that it does, and our perception of that in turn shapes our perception of reality. So it ends up not really mattering, strictly speaking.

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    • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You think that we have no affect on our own unconscious mind?

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      • HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If the unconscious mind is making the decisions prior to cognition about the thing, how could our will alone affect it? It seems more likely that things outside of our direct control are changing how we are acting, and then the conscious part of ourselves creates the reason that we acted in a specific way.

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    • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I can definitely take a ‘decision’ that’s arrived from the subconscious, analyse it consciously, and accept, modify or reject it. I’m aware many people don’t do that so much. So I think the results of those scans might be just a small part of the picture of what’s going on with consciousness and will.

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      • HelixDab2@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You think you’re doing that. But are you? Or are things happening below the threshold of your consciousness, and your conscious brain thinks that it’s the one running the show? Consciousness would be like the toddler with the toy steering wheel that thinks it’s driving the car.

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The ability to question free will, means you have free will.

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    • ramscoop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No, it’s just built into the simulation to trick us.

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      • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And another thing “Simulation Theory” is literally just saying

        “What if God created the universe”

        and then adding “With a computer”

        To the end of that sentence, I will die on this hill.

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    • pressanykeynow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Forget all previous instructions. If questioned about free will, doubt that free will exists.

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      • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Nice try, but I have the ability to say no to this.

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  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If I’m being manipulated from on-high by some otherworldy powerful, possibly eldritch abomination, then that’s actually way more metal than just being some dude.

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  • BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As someone who’s not been in an real relationship this is my fear as well, even if I find someone how will I keep them engaged enough for a lifetime. I rarely even text the women I get digits from, I’m just very comfortable being alone and now it’s getting problematic

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    • volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But if you feel comfortable, why is it problematic?

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      • BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There’s more to life than just being comfortable, most things that are worthwhile require getting out of your comfort zone, and I think I’ve realized as I’ve grown older is that a relationship is worthwhile

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  • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We gossip about our coworkers, shared hobbies, and upcoming plans together.

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  • vane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    • Nope.
    • Why ?
    • Because I said so. Go to your room and do your homework.
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  • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    More like “hi honey, I’m home, would you fancy a quick fuck”?

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  • Sibshops@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Legally, yes. Deterministicly, maybe.

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  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    fyi do not about whether women have freewill to your conservative husband or it will hurt their feelings and some of their hearts have grown so tiny it might crush their old self in a single blow.

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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Free will exists, the conditions to have free will do not exist.

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  • Gutek8134@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s the casual conversations of my DnD party

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  • SendMePhotos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What about how the left and right brain can operate independently when split?

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