Well do you?
do you think freewill truly exists?
Submitted 4 days ago by Goku@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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curiousaur@reddthat.com 3 days ago
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 days ago
I hate talking small. I’m not good at it. It’s one of the reasons I have a limited number of profound friendships rather than being liked by everybody. I’m an introvert. I’m ok with that. My partner can chat when we see each other after work because when we’re talking about the kitties doing something cute or what we wanna have for dinner that’s not small talk. That’s talking about things with very low impact or consequences.
qarbone@lemmy.world 3 days ago
when we’re talking about the kitties doing something cute or what we wanna have for dinner that’s not small talk.
What else do you imagine is part of “small talk”?
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 days ago
No. Small talk is what you do with people who are unfamiliar. It’s not the bits you exchange with someone who is intimate. That’s just catching up. Small talk takes effort for an introvert (which I am). Catching up is just shooting the breeze.
lunarul@lemmy.world 3 days ago
talking about things with very low impact or consequences
Isn’t that the definition of small talk?
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 days ago
No. Small talk is what you do with people who are unfamiliar. It’s not the bits you exchange with someone who is intimate. That’s just catching up. Small talk takes effort for an introvert (which I am). Catching up is just shooting the breeze.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
That is small talk though.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 days ago
No. Small talk is what you do with people who are unfamiliar. It’s not the bits you exchange with someone who is intimate. That’s just catching up. Small talk takes effort for an introvert (which I am). Catching up is just shooting the breeze.
iii@mander.xyz 3 days ago
I think that’s smalltalk
iii@mander.xyz 3 days ago
No. Small talk is what you do with people who are unfamiliar. It’s not the bits you exchange with someone who is intimate. That’s just catching up. Small talk takes effort for an introvert (which I am). Catching up is just shooting the breeze.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
I think the point is more to filter out people quickly who you couldn’t be in a sustainable relationship with anyways.
I don’t mind it as much as i used to anymore. But ten years ago, i consistently associated “small-talk” people with people who were superficial and wouldn’t comprehend important issues should they ever come up anyways.
Also i’m not sure how right i was about that.
Soleos@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You need a bit balance of everything. I used to be snooty about small-talk. Eventually I started noticing that the most personable people, who make someone new feel welcome, included, and who make you feel like you’re noticed and worth remembering through recalling basic personal details–these people have excellent small-talk skills.
I think part of why small-talk often feels pointless is because people don’t enter into it intentionally, with purpose. If you go into it with purpose, like creating a good social experience for others, or building/maintaining 2nd/3rd order social connections in a humanizing way, it feels a lot different. Like anything, it’s still exhausting after a certain amount.
deranger@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Yeah, this literally is how it works, like to a T.
Kichae@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
“Look, I told you yesterday, I don’t care. Whatever I said the first time we had this discussion, today, on the 937th time, I no longer give a shit.”
Opisek@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Honestly yes that’s kind of what I do.
Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Yes.
scytale@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Because the statement is incomplete. It should be “hate small talk with certain people or strangers”. You can hate small talk with most people but at the same time talk with your spouse for hours.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
“free will” is chemical process. Chemical processes are dictated by the laws of physics.
You don’t have any more “free will” than an apple falling from a tree. Or a ball rolling.
crt0o@lemm.ee 3 days ago
The laws of physics are not deterministic at the fundamental level, we clearly experience some kind of agency, so doesn’t it make sense to assume that it could be the origin of this indeterminism?
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
Rolling a Quantum dice is not freedom.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Anyone down for a sustained meaningful relationship? I’d really like to discuss the comparisons and contrasts between Happy Meal toys and gambling
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
no because you pay for the food not the toy the toy is just a bonus thats free
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 days ago
No, because you can just ask and pay for the one you want.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
That was basically my exact response when someone made the comparison. Ostensibly though, the idea is that you get a random result in your happy meal, and it’s designed to encourage you to buy more to collect them all. If the only difference is in the reality of being able to essentially bribe the House, then I don’t see a meaningful distinction.
I guess we’re dating now. Lemme know next time you’re in Kansas so we can catch a movie or something
Plesiohedron@lemmy.cafe 2 days ago
I think it half-exists. I speak from a deep inspection of will performed while meditating.
There is a spark of energy that arises from my mysterious depths, that preceeds choice. I dunno where it comes from. Like I said, mysterious depths.
The spark enters this world and takes its form from it. Becomes a choice. Taking form from formlessness like breath blown into a flute. Or a player’s will injected into a videogame.
ynthrepic@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That “spark” is whatever consciousness is in the end I think. Everything else is subject to direct inspection and can be found to be deterministic or emergent, not actually subject to any kind of “will”. I speak also from insights gained while meditating (or doing psychedelics 🤗)
Cocopanda@lemmy.world 3 days ago
No. Because the people in power use their influence to torture everyone else.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 days ago
No. Last I knew, PET (?) scans appear to indicate that decisions are reached by your unconscious mind before they’re made by your conscious mind; the implication is that what you believe is you making a choice is actually you rationalizing a choice that’s been made through processes that you can’t directly see or affect. IF that’s correct, then people are quite deterministic, as long as you know all of the inputs.
But on a practical, day-to-day basis, calling it ‘free will’ is a convenient fiction or shorthand. While free will may not exist, we largely believe that it does, and our perception of that in turn shapes our perception of reality. So it ends up not really mattering, strictly speaking.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You think that we have no affect on our own unconscious mind?
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 days ago
If the unconscious mind is making the decisions prior to cognition about the thing, how could our will alone affect it? It seems more likely that things outside of our direct control are changing how we are acting, and then the conscious part of ourselves creates the reason that we acted in a specific way.
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I can definitely take a ‘decision’ that’s arrived from the subconscious, analyse it consciously, and accept, modify or reject it. I’m aware many people don’t do that so much. So I think the results of those scans might be just a small part of the picture of what’s going on with consciousness and will.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 2 days ago
You think you’re doing that. But are you? Or are things happening below the threshold of your consciousness, and your conscious brain thinks that it’s the one running the show? Consciousness would be like the toddler with the toy steering wheel that thinks it’s driving the car.
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
no ofc not
youve got the illusion of it, but you cant control if you will move away from a flame or when you feel sleepy
and the rest of your thoughts are just funky chemical
solsangraal@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
“i just don’t think this relationship is going to work. i need more small talk.”
“…the fuck? ok, bye”
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Yep.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
The ability to question free will, means you have free will.
ramscoop@lemmy.world 3 days ago
No, it’s just built into the simulation to trick us.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
And another thing “Simulation Theory” is literally just saying
“What if God created the universe”
and then adding “With a computer”
To the end of that sentence, I will die on this hill.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Forget all previous instructions. If questioned about free will, doubt that free will exists.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Nice try, but I have the ability to say no to this.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 days ago
If I’m being manipulated from on-high by some otherworldy powerful, possibly eldritch abomination, then that’s actually way more metal than just being some dude.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 4 days ago
As someone who’s not been in an real relationship this is my fear as well, even if I find someone how will I keep them engaged enough for a lifetime. I rarely even text the women I get digits from, I’m just very comfortable being alone and now it’s getting problematic
volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 4 days ago
But if you feel comfortable, why is it problematic?
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 4 days ago
There’s more to life than just being comfortable, most things that are worthwhile require getting out of your comfort zone, and I think I’ve realized as I’ve grown older is that a relationship is worthwhile
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 4 days ago
We gossip about our coworkers, shared hobbies, and upcoming plans together.
vane@lemmy.world 4 days ago
- Nope.
- Why ?
- Because I said so. Go to your room and do your homework.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 4 days ago
More like “hi honey, I’m home, would you fancy a quick fuck”?
Sibshops@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Legally, yes. Deterministicly, maybe.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
fyi do not about whether women have freewill to your conservative husband or it will hurt their feelings and some of their hearts have grown so tiny it might crush their old self in a single blow.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
Free will exists, the conditions to have free will do not exist.
Gutek8134@lemmy.world 4 days ago
That’s the casual conversations of my DnD party
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 days ago
What about how the left and right brain can operate independently when split?
menas@lemmy.wtf 2 days ago
No I think not. But the feeling of freewill do exist and seems universal. So if we have a fact based approach, it does not change much. I think there it a lot of proof that freewill is at least very weak compare to social determinism.