We’ve all played them. Backtracking, not knowing where to go. Going back and forth. Name some of these games from your memory. I’ll start: Final Fantasy XIII-2, RE1
Every
Single
Old
Game
I hate it
What are some good examples of "Where the fuck do you go" kind of games?
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BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 1 month ago
Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
As an old game player. If I stop and think about it, I really hate that I get frustrated /bored if I’m playing a game that doesn’t tell you what to do / where to go at every moment.
To me I’ve feel like I’ve lost my sense of adventure.
Maybe it’s also a time factor too, I don’t have the same amount of time to play when I was a kid.
Devmapall@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I resonate with this. I feel like I had far patience and wonder as a kid.
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If you can’t figure out Super Mario Bros then gaming just isn’t for you.
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I’m gonna have to go super old school on this, because I think gradually games have gotten gradually better about this as the art form advanced. The absolute worst for this that I know of for this has to be “Below The Root” which, despite this point of criticism was a mind-blowingly advanced game for its time, arguably the first real open world CRPG. I have no idea how anyone could’ve legitimately completed the game without either using a guide or playing it over and over for years to learn every possible route of progress. I think the confusing nature of the world was in fact simply because nothing of that scale had ever really been attempted before and there was absolutely no precedent for how to adequately guide players through it.
The world was, for its time, truly immense and sprawling with a multiple screen interiors for most buildings, a full cave system hidden underground, ladders and secret platforms aplenty. You could converse and trade with various NPCs in houses and wandering around on many of the screens. And when I say “screens” you have to keep in mind I’m talking about something this size. That is not a lot of context to work with for navigation.
It’s also full of secrets and hidden things, and like many games of the time you will need to find and use pretty much all of them, in pretty much a specific order, to actually complete the game. I can’t even describe how insane the sequence of events you need to do to actually complete the game is, this guy uses a guide and save states but I think it illustrates the general lack of clear guidance in almost all cases. Combine that with the fact that you “die” easily, your inventory is extremely limited capacity, and did I mention you’re on a time limit? Because the “goal” of the game is to rescue a guy and if you take too long, he dies and you can’t win anymore!
Many naive players (myself included) weren’t even convinced it HAD an ending and just kind of played it endlessly like it was some early version of The Sims.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 month ago
Unreal. I stopped playing when I couldn’t find the exit.
BmeBenji@lemm.ee 1 month ago
All of fucking Bloodborne. Fast travel is great. Building into the narrative where you don’t tell the story directly? Fuck that.
GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today 1 month ago
It feels like such a silly example now that I know the game, but tales of symphonia made me give up for about three years before coming back and beating it. There’s a section where you’re supposed to go to a specific city to progress, but there’s a semi-secret long way around that lets you experience a different character’s story early. Well, I somehow sucked at following directions and went the semi-secret way, and then couldn’t figure out how to get ANYWHERE that let you do anything. I wandered around the same continent for several months (playing a few hours a week) before moving on.
Yokozuna@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The original Final Fantasy. If you don’t have a walk-through open next to you I have no idea how you would naturally beat the game in a respectable time frame.
Peffse@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Everytime this game got ported, I’d retry it. I’d get over the bridge, get into town, fight the pirates, earn the boat… and get completely lost.
Mirshe@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I think I managed to get the Earth and Fire Crystals and couldn’t figure out how to get to where the Water Crystal was. All of THAT was from literal wandering.
artifactsofchina@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Riven
Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 month ago
La Mulana for sure! It’s a game where you play as professor Lemeza Kosugi (i.e. Japanese Indiana Jones) exploring an ancient temple. I admit that I did not have the patience for it. The map is huge and exploration is very non-linear. You also have to solve fairly obscure puzzles. If you really wanted to give it a go, I’d keep hand-written or typed notes separate from the in-game notes. They only let you save so much data at once, and you need more. I still kind of loved exploring the maps even partially though.
cr0n1c@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Came here to say this!
dutchkimble@lemy.lol 1 month ago
Myst, sometimes Max Payne, Doom 3, Tomb Raider
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The Outer Worlds is a perfect example of this in the best way possible.
nthavoc@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Atari’s ET. Game was bugged. Every 80’s kid that bought this was disappointed. It is the worst video game in history and all unsold copies were buried in a landfill only to be rediscovered decades later.
en.wikipedia.org/…/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_(vi…
The High Score is a great documentary that actually has the guy that developed it. I think he was high when he did which explains a lot.
alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 month ago
nthavoc@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Wow. Did not know this existed. Thanks!
LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
It’s a bad game for sure, but it is far from the worst game in history
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s not bad if you learn how to play it. A little too ambitious. The reputation is unearned. It’s not like the Pac Man port, which was just straight shit.
lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Prince of Persia Warrior Within
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I don’t remember that one being too bad. I actually beat that one, unlike Two Thrones
lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Two thrones is a cake walk compared to WW
Baggie@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Oof yep I feel that one. I love the wheel and spoke moderately open world level design, but if you actually need to move the story it can be very difficult to find where the next bits are.
brsrklf@jlai.lu 1 month ago
I’ve just finished Turok for the first time. Some of these levels are absurd.
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Turok 1? Cause IIRC there’s only a couple areas where I feel you can get stuck unless you really think about things. For the most part you just explore all parts of the map until you find the right place to go.
The one that first comes to mind is the level where you’ve got to find a bunch of switches to raises “stairs” over a pit of lava. Again, IIRC. The other one is a place where you’ve got to know that falling off the cliff won’t kill you. But IIRC you can see the tree tops in that area which you wouldn’t see in an area where falling will kill you.
brsrklf@jlai.lu 1 month ago
Yeah, the maze with button platforms is catacombs, that was definitely the one that had me stuck the longest time. Partly because of the maze-like structure and partly because it relies on a few climbable walls that are a lot less obvious than the usual and a very missable teleport tile.
There’s also plenty of places especially in treetop village where I was like “how the fuck am I supposed to go there?”. Turns out none of them is really necessary (and some might just not be normally accessible, even though they have items?) but that’s still confusing.
And even though I didn’t get lost too bad in it, Final confrontation surprised me. From the name I went into it expecting maybe a short level and the boss fight. That thing took forever to go through.
swagmoney@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Halo ce campaign.
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 month ago
The first 4 Tomb Raider games on PC/PS1
Digimon World on PS1, made worse by the fact that it’s a tamagotchi roguelite RPG. I never played DW3, but I heard it can easily become a “where the fuck do I go now?” because of obtuse/asshole time sinking designs here and there
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The original Bard’s Tale
Me and my best friend literally spent a month of near nightly playing trying to get through the first in-town dungeon
Daggerfall also fits the bill
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The problem with Daggerfall is that the dungeons are procedurally generated. I have spent hours digging through a dungeon, hugging the right wall and spam clicking on every surface for a hidden door, to eventually give up and hotkey through all the spawn spots, to find the quest target in a disconnect glitched out dungeon segment.
HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I would love to see a complete remake of Daggerfall with the same randomly generated dungeons; I’m not sure that the random landscape and dungeon generation would work with the way games are programmed now though.
Come to think of it, re-doing Morrowind, Arena, Battlespire, and Redquard would be neat, too.
helloyanis@furries.club 1 month ago
Try Platoon on the NES, you get bombarded by ennemies while you have to find your way through this abomination of a maze!
Attachment: furries.club ↗TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This one’s pretty controversial, but if you’ve never played it before,
Half Life 1
It’s really confusing and enemies will pop out of nowhere and kill you instantly. Not really fun imo, but then again I AM playing it for the first time 27 years after it came out 😂
I’m sure Black Mesa is more intuitive though.
nevetsg@aussie.zone 1 month ago
Make sure you listen to the NPCs. They give you clues like being quiet around the big beaky things that one shot you. Also, if it is really big you guns do nothing. Go and find the other way to destroy it.
Baggie@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Which bits in particular? Because on one hand it’s a fairly linear design, but on the other there are some bits that can loop around themselves and objectives aren’t always obvious.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
past the first few chapters it got a bit confusing, but the train trolly thing was like a maze and I kept going in circles for so long 😵💫
darthelmet@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ve probably played a bunch, but the one that most comes to mind is Antechamber. Super weird FPS puzzle game ala portal but with a lot of mindbending illusions, non-Euclidean geometry, etc.
It’s got a metroidvania structure but without much guidance and a lot of stuff will just loop you back to where you’ve been if you’re not getting things right. At some point I was just completely lost. I couldn’t possibly think of where I haven’t tried to go or do. Worst part if I tried to look up a guide I don’t even know where I’d begin to look.
Saucepain@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Unlike the others here, I would argue that this is supposed to be this way - it’s a mind bending puzzle after all.
darthelmet@lemmy.world 1 month ago
True to some extent, but I think there are limits to how enjoyable it can be to not even be able to find the puzzles in the first place. It also makes coming back to it super confusing.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Uhg, I’m pretty sure I got 90% of the way through that game and then I took a break for some reason or another. Came back and was just completely lost. And just like you, cant even look up a guide because I don’t know where I’d begin to look.
inferni_advocatvs@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Daggerfall
brsrklf@jlai.lu 1 month ago
I got certainly the most lost I’ve ever been in a game in a Daggerfall dungeon, trying desperately to find the tiny wall tag that’s supposed to be the exit.
Those are torture.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Can I say half life?
cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
You certainly can say it, but I’m going to have to mostly disagree it’s a good example though because I felt Half-Life was very linear. What it did do a good job at was creating a convincing illusion of non-linearity, which I can certainly see some people getting lost in occasionally, but probably briefly (unless you have particularly poor navigation abilities which some people definitely do). It can be especially bad once you get to Xen, which felt deliberately confusing and not really the greatest section of the game for a lot of reasons.
kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
My first playthrough of Half Life 2, I bailed from the boat when it got stuck on the wall in a section with lots of guns. I continued on foot through two more loading zones until I reached a section that required the boat to progress, so I walked all the way back to get it lol
moakley@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Star Flight. I played it on Genesis, and it’s still one of the greatest games I’ve ever played.
One space ship, 270 solar systems, and 800 planets. The manual included a captain’s log that was sent back in time from the future, but without that you’d just be scouring the stars for clues, interrogating aliens, digging through ancient ruins, and watching slowly as a rash of planet-destroying solar flares spreads through the galaxy.
So fucking good.
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 month ago
Sounds interesting. Reminds me somewhat of Uncharted Waters, which is a naval RPG set around 1560. You could visit ports all over Europe, Middle East and Africa, probably over India and Japan, too, doing trade runs or living a pirate’s life.
moakley@lemmy.world 1 month ago
A lot of the game is scanning planets, gathering resources, and upgrading your ship. The upgrades allow you to gather more resources, explore further, and get better weapons so you can survive hostile alien encounters.
If you ever have the opportunity, I highly recommend giving it a try.
HiTekRedNek@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Zork. God forbid you forget to look mailbox
quickenparalysespunk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Uncharted 1
Nasan@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Shiet, I’m still having this problem with more recent Naughty Dog games. Getting the hint option that pops up when you’ve been stuck somewhere for a while in The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered embarrasses me. Though I am thankful that it’s there.
grue@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Star Trek 25th Anniversary Game Star Trek Judgement Rites Myst
Yermaw@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I’ve installed Myst around 10 times and I haven’t gotten anywhere with it. I refuse to look at solutions because its a legendary puzzle game and I will not be beaten by it, but also I’m not at all sure what to do at all. I have never solved a single puzzle. I’m never even sure what’s interactive or not, or if I’m even looking at a puzzle or just seeing clues where there are none.
I should try it again soon…
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Lego Harry Potter
For fucks sake it was obtuse. I had to use a walkthrough to figure out what to do next multiple times just in the first episode
Lemminnewbie2@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Blue Prince for me right now.
KombatWombat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah it’s good in a lot of ways but especially early on you can just get stuck with no way to progress due to bad luck.
Nikls94@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Tunic
Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal
Metroid
BackwardsUntoDawn@lemm.ee 1 month ago
tunic was the only souls-like game I could get myself to play and I’m so glad I did it was incredible
Spoilt@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Mirror’s edge
/s
cmhe@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I would say many games with procedural generated worlds, like Minecraft, No Man’s Sky, etc. Where the main task is deciding where do I go next, where do I settle down, maybe there is some better place over the next hill, next planet, etc.
There are other games, where it is also sometimes not quite clear what to do next. Like games have a lot of progression and rebuilding of stuff that was done before because of it. Like Satisfactory, Factorio etc.
And on a more literal sense, where you actually redo the game over and over to progress, like The Stanley Parable or Outer Wilds.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Open ended games, like Minecraft and NMS , can be really hard for people who only play ‘on rails’ type games to wrap their minds around. ‘Whats the point?’, the same one as in living your life.
Also, personal opinion, Stanley Parable is NOT a game. It is a walking simulator with a bunch of bad philosophy thrown in.
cmhe@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wherever Stanley Parable is a game or not, isn’t really important. Someone could make the argument that open ended games, without a clear winning or completion state aren’t games, but instead simulations.
Someone could argue that the winning or completion state of Stanley Parable is seeing all endings.
Other people say that to be a game, you need some kind of adversary or challenge to overcome, but that would depend on the definition of challenge. Is figuring out what to do in order to see a ending you haven’t seen before a challenge? If not, that would exclude many other genres.
So I just do not want to down the road of making useless distinctions, and be liberal in my understanding of words, and just ask if something is not clear.
Elevator7009@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Came looking for someone to say Minecraft. If I’m not good about intentionally placing landmarks and the like I can get myself lost very easily. And sometimes even when I do place landmarks and write down the coordinates of my starting place! I have to tryhard on keeping directions, placing markers everywhere, to prevent getting lost when exploring. Admittedly I am not the greatest with directions in real life.
MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
0 0 0best place to build your base to not get lost x)