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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

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  • Grimtuck@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you’re telling me that it had nothing to do with swallows being either European or African?!

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    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It could grip it by the husk.

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      • PlasticExistence@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s not a matter of where it grips it! It’s a matter of weight ratios!

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    • voodooattack@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Does the coconut weigh more than a duck?

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      • Arghblarg@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t know, I wasn’t expecting some kind of Spanish Inquisition.

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      • Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Who are you who is so wise in the ways of science?

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    • sadicarnot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But then of course, uh, African swallows are non-migratory.

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  • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    35 million years of coconuts in Asia and they don’t float over until after traders established shipping routes to Asia?

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    • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, but for human related reasons. Humans moved them around a lot in Africa and Asia - moving them from Southeast Asia to India and Madagascar is bound to have an impact on the currents they get caught up in.

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      • match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        are you proposing some kind of Columbus effect where people heading to India will occasionally end up in Taino land by accident

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      • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So thanks to humans more coconuts went for a swim?

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    • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      According to the first article that popped up in the search results the most likely theory is portugese traders brought them over from madagascar.

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    • XTL@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Climate change confirmed.

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  • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The float yeah and that’s how they spread, but the coconuts were mostly brought by ships.

    A coconut is really good on a ship 500 years ago, you have fresh water, some nutrition, etc.

    Some ship gets destroyed with a load of coconuts on board and so it began probably.

    Then when even the first ones have taken root, they start floating from isle to isle themselves.

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    • burgersc12@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, it was clearly the Swallows gripping them by the husks!

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      • Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I wished some one gripped my husk.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      "500 years ago*

      Columbus makes the trip in 1492, 533 years ago.

      Yeah that checks out.

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  • olafurp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m gonna cast doubt on this. It happened too conveniently after people figured out long distance sea travel.

    If they would have floated it’s much more likely that it happened somewhere in the last million years rather than the last 500.

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    • undeffeined@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, it is wrong. It was the result of the sea migrations of the Astronesians

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  • undeffeined@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not accurate. They were taken by Astronesians during their seaborne migrartions.

    Read more here

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    • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It also plays a central role in the Coconut Religion founded in 1963 in Vietnam.

      follows the Coconut Religion link

      The Coconut Religion was founded in 1963 by Vietnamese mystic and scholar Nguyễn Thành Nam,[1] also known as the Coconut Monk,[2][3] His Coconutship,[4] Prophet of Concord,[4] and Uncle Hai[4] (1909 – 1990[5]).

      Oh, come the fuck on, now

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      • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Coconutship

        Definitely a sex cult.

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    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I was wondering how the heck coconuts journeyed around the southern passages for what would have been probably years on ocean currents and arrive in the caribbean still viable for growth.

      Or carried by a sparrow.

      Not really gonna happen.

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      • ziggurat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Is that an African or a European sparrow?

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      • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They took the Panama Canal, obviously.

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      • sadicarnot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A swallow could grip it by the husk

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    • Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Read more here

      Lol, I need to start doing that

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    • quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      So, aliens did it. I knew it.

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  • match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    they only think coconuts floated over on their own 500 years ago because austronesians are supernaturally invisible to white people

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    • undeffeined@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Bingo. I thought this was interesting and went looking for more information and its fake. They were brought to other parts of the world, first by austronesians and later by European sailors.

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      • sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Someone in this thread needs to say who austronesians are

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    • belastend@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Did austronesians reach the carribean? I thought they made it to madagascar and hawaii, but not the carribean.

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  • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Coconuts have evolved to spread from island to island by floating, but it’s still weird that one happened to float to the other side of the world in historic times. I would have guessed that either the currents could never take a coconut there or that the currents would have taken a coconut there long ago.

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    • hydrospanner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Y’know… I’d have found all this “coconuts floated from Asia to the Caribbean” stuff pretty far fetched…

      But not two years ago I was fishing, and a goddamn coconut floated right down and bumped me in the leg.

      In the Monongahela River.

      In Pittsburgh.

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      • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Floating upstream - what a coconut!

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  • expatriado@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Caribbean from Asia? did they take the Panama Canal 400 years before it was built? there is not path that isn’t crazy

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    • lemmyng@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Asia via the Pacific to the Americas, then a swallow grabs one and brings it to the Atlantic coast.

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      • SARGE@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        African, or European?

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    • IndiBrony@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They went around the horn like a real man!

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    • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s a current originating in Indian ocean flowing south of Africa to the gulf of Mexico, before proceeding north east between Iceland and Great Britain. It’s why Scandinavia is so much warmer than the same latitude in the Americas. I’m 55 north in Denmark, and have hardly seen snow this winter, meanwhile Edmonton in Canada is 2° south of that.

      Coconuts bobbing around the south of Africa is pretty wild, but not implausible.

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      • match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Native Americans and Polynesians Met Around 1200 A.D.

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    • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I assumed one finally got lucky and got around the southern tip of Africa while headed west.

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  • Draegur@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No swallows necessary

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s not what my partner says uwu

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  • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So the coconuts migrated, but the majority population of many of the islands were taken there as cargo?

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    • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oof, good point

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?

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    • OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They could grip it by the husk

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  • Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Please do not disturb the migratory fruits

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  • Krik@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is nuts!

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  • Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Coconuts: the world’s strangest migratory mammal

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  • perishthethought@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Life… finds a way.

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    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      uh…

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