A hero? For what? He didn’t do anything.
They should let that innocent man go free though.
It's true
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qarbone@lemmy.world 4 months ago
bpt11@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Abnorc@lemm.ee 4 months ago
If it was, Nintendo would be trying to kill him.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 4 months ago
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE MANSION
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 months ago
Google tells me it’s actually glutton but I like yours better
Rooskie91@discuss.online 4 months ago
The superhero pilled brain of America will be the death of us.
There are no heros. There are people who are willing to take extreme measures because of their situations. He’s not taking requests. He’s not planning additional actions. He’s not coming to save you. We have to do that ourselves. Kill your heros and join a movement that actually does something. Stop waiting for some vigilante that will never come.
some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 4 months ago
But he did come… And he shot a legitimately evil person.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Who will just be replaced with another. I mean, we’re all here talking about it, but ultimately, nothing will change.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 months ago
Yes sir! On it!
We just have to let’s just say, build a world without them. If you commit violence, you get arrested. But if you where to say, design your life around buying the least amount of stuff from corpos possible, then you would starve them of their income. This is completely legal to do, and hard to propaganda against.
Our problem is we are far far too dependent!
Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 4 months ago
Who? The shooter or Luigi? Until proven otherwise, they are two separate people.
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Still a murderer. Regardless of how much we agree with his reasons and the rest of the outcomes.
Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 4 months ago
[Murder is the unlawful killing of another human without justification or valid excuse committed with the necessary intention as defined by the law in a specific jurisdiction.
NYS Penal Law SECTION 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a person
Whether or not he is a murderer depends on whether the DA can meet their burden of proving he committed the acts necessary to satisfy the elements of NYS definition of whatever degree of murder the Grand Jury indicts (if that happens) AND he is not able to establish the affirmative defense of justification.
None of these determinations have been made yet.
I gotta ask, are you a time traveler or a boot licker?
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Am I a bootlicker simply because I don’t agree with a killing?
I’m not in any way saying the CEO was not a total shitbag who was the effective cause of many deaths.
I just don’t like that murder was seemingly what needed to happen to give people a voice.
krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
You’re using the legal definition, and there is no legal justification for what he did. I do believe there’s a moral one, though. Also I was unaware that the taking of a life with justification in the law is not considered murder.
FuzzyDog@lemmy.world 4 months ago
And yet, actions taken by the UHC CEO have doubtlessly caused far, far more suffering and death. Why aren’t you criticizing him?
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
You can criticize both a piece of shit profiting off the misery of others, and the person that murdered him in cold blood and took a father away from two children. You can also criticize them both without equating them, in fact.
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I do when people try to defend the CEO.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
People voted for privatized healthcare. They created the UHC. Nobody holds a vote for vigilante murder, nor is anything significant gained by setting the killer free.
Just treat it as a fair trade.
Benjaben@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Just to give one more take (without contributing any hostility, I hope!) - one way to look at it might be that you see this new development (Thompson’s murder and the nation’s “hell yeah!”) as the scary, dangerous step too far, whereas maybe many of us see the scary dangerous step(s) too far as having already happened (maybe long) in the past.
We’re in a really scary situation as a country, and that was almost exactly as true the day before Thompson’s murder as it is today. The significant events leading to our scary situation are a list of egregious misdeeds and manipulations by people in power, stretching back years - even if I take your premise that it’s wrong, this is just yet one more event (if a notable acceleration). I sincerely believe that a few more gray hoodies might actually send things back in the right direction and bring the owner class back to the negotiating table. As it stands (and ~equally true two weeks ago), the social contract in this country is in tatters. The rich get everything, everyone else - nothing, not even the healthcare we already frickin bought.
Laws are not virtuous by default, is it a moral judgment against killing itself here, or is the problem that it was not a legal act? Of course don’t let me reduce your position to one of my own two phrasings lol, but I am curious about the specific objection you have.
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I really appreciate your perspective. It definitely helped me feel better about how hostile the rest of the responses have been.
I do already share that same thinking that it has been pushed too far long ago, though slowly to an extent.
I guess I have trouble wrestling with how far of a distance there is between the CEOs actions and their effects having caused deaths of many. It seems that the logic of that makes obvious sense, but there’s so many steps in between that it also seems so different from direct murder. Because of that distance of actions is what I feel makes it murder.
If we don’t consider this a murder and then continue that logic, at what point of involvement with the company does it stop and then become murder?
Still, I feel like this action, that I still feel is very wrong, is starting to give the people more power and the voice we should have had all along. So the results of this have seemed to benefit the people who have been victims of the predatory health insurance system.
I personally don’t ever want to feel good about killing another person. Even if justified. That just seems wrong.
frostysauce@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Still a murderer.
I stopped reading there. You can fuck right off.
cheers_queers@lemm.ee 4 months ago
yeah he probably saved lives, if he ends up changing the health insurance landscape because of this
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The ceo killed more people than the shooter. So all murderers matter to you?
Delphia@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If its a yes or no question “Do you think Brian Johnson should have been killed?” My answer is No.
If you ask me “on a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you care about Brian Johnson being killed?” I’m going to ask if I can use decimal points because a 1 isnt low enough.
I can simultaniously not advocate for people murdering other people over their ideals and really not be too distraught when someone who pretty clearly has some sort of karmic retribution due gets their comeuppance.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m glad I’m not the only one on this boat. People are allowing their emotions to control them when they worship Luigi, worse than Trump supporters.
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So you’re seriously gonna tell the police to put their guns down while a dude breaks into your home and kills your family? Or are you just morally grandstanding right now
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m torn.
Yes, murder is bad.
But when someone is responsible for thousands of deaths and will continue to willingly kill for money, is taking them out justifiable?
If the CEO had been firing a weapon into a crowd, there’s no question that killing him would have been justified. Is the fact that he killed with memos and board meetings rather than a gun actually relevant?
GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You have convicted him before the trial. Like he has his day in court. Years from now.
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The person seen shooting the guy in the video is a murderer. That is clear as day.
Abnorc@lemm.ee 4 months ago
You’re right. What he did is murder and it’s the job of the justice system to find him and convict him. I wouldn’t feel bad if he wasn’t caught, but it’s still probably the right thing to do.
I don’t seriously think that normalizing the murder of CEOs is going to fix things anyways, and it’s not a democratic way of dealing with the problem.
krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Nobody is denying he’s a murderer. The question is whether it’s based or not. I think it mostly is.
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Lots of people are denying it, though
Allonzee@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The allies murdered a lot of Nazis.
Whats the bfd?
War is mass murder, we just feel uncomfortable saying that so we say “it’s not murder… It’s war!” War being that thing where old men send young men to murder one another to either increase or retain their power.
Murder solves shit, sorry. If the long arm of history truly does bend towards justice, thank murder, because the times passivism effected significant change are few and far between historically speaking. Sometimes the powerful goes too far in their decadence, they have, they limit the peasant’s non-violent options, they have, and the alternative to violence is subjecting your kids and their kids to the very same cruelty.
Sometimes enough is enough.
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Still a murderer
makes a seat at his table for this ““murderer””
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 months ago
[deleted]gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Why does not liking killing people mean “supporting the aristocracy”?
I in no way support the CEO, UHC, or any of the predatory insurance companies (which is all of them). I hate them, even.
I still don’t like murder.
I don’t see why those have to be mutually inclusive.
PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 4 months ago
It’s one thing for this to happen, shrug, and not give a shit. It’s another to glorify this guy.
It happened. I’m not upset about it. But this Luigi cat isn’t my hero.
Belgdore@lemm.ee 4 months ago
He isn’t some school shooter. He isn’t a crash out. He deliberately took steps to materially change the balance of power.
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Dude just take the win. The perfect hero isn’t coming. This isn’t a Disney movie.
Shizrak@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
This is what one would expect Plain Simple Garak the Tailor to say.
Out loud.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Garak assassinated a diplomat to a highly aggressive foreign power for the sake of saving lives in a war. Garak would absolutely value Luigi as a hero, though it would be through plausibly deniable language. And he’d be right in both cases.
Crikeste@lemm.ee 4 months ago
You’re waiting for a perfection that will never come. This shit is always gonna be ugly.
Support.
PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world 4 months ago
I have no idea what you mean. No clue what this perfection is you speak of. I made a pretty bland comment. Don’t look for depth.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 months ago
A Hero? Oh yes! He saved those orphans from that fire Count Olaf started, I saw the whole thing. Happened just as that United Healthcare guy got whacked, meaning it totally wasn’t Luigi! Not sure why I brought that up really!
…I’ve been having dreams about ASOUE and it makes me wanna take my books out of storage…
Except I never had the last two books in the series (Meaning I didn’t even know the 13th one took place on an island till the Netflix series)
AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Until something actually factually nasty about him comes up, if anything ever does, totally agree.
Delphia@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Pay attention, you are about to watch whats known as a “smear campaign”
Every edgy facebook post, every website that could be construed as “extremist”, any possible history of mental illness. They are gonna drag him through the mud, even if they have to manufacture the mud.
Ive been saying all along that the best result we can hope for is that he was never found or identified, because before now he was able to be idolised for whatever ideals we wanted him to have. I guarantee they are going to find a way to make him a pariah.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
It’s started already. I’ve heard the word mental illness several times in the media already.
Anyone know the names of the main media CEOs?
Tacos_y_margaritas@lemmynsfw.com 4 months ago
So it turns out that his family is very rich and he seems to have pretty good lawyers. Let’s see how this all plays out. Source: hollywoodlife.com/…/luigi-mangione-parents-535265… and www.msn.com/en-us/crime/general/…/ar-AA1vFHQW
1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Well it’s not nasty but his book review of Teds book is quite the insight
Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Damn, thats a good meme 👌🏻
grue@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So we’re just trusting the police that they got the right guy and aren’t framing some poor schmuck, now? I mean, saying ‘The Adjuster’ is a hero is one thing, but I’m not yet willing to concede the point that he and ‘Luigi Mangione’ are one and the same.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
I am pretty sure that Luigi Mangione was my sales rep at the Apple Store in Orlando, Florida on the day of the shooting.
frostysauce@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Can’t be, I had him over for breakfast that morning.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Same except Missouri.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I mean if they did that and the real killer killed another CEO it would look very bad.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You mean a copycat?
Better make 3D printers illegal. It’s the only way to be safe.