Lemmy doesn’t have to be Reddit. Lemmy is Lemmy. Keep coming here and giving it content and it will be all it will ever need to be.
do you think lemmy will ever be popular?
Submitted 16 hours ago by The__the@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 16 hours ago
How do you define popular? I think it already is reasonably popular, I see enough activity here that it prompts me to comment at least somewhere on most days. I think it’s going to become more popular over time.
cabbage@piefed.social 15 hours ago
If I saw this question posted the first time I visited Lemmy (some months before the Reddit app drama) with "popular" being defined as the current level of activity, my clear answer would be a loud and clear "probably not".
NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Current as in today? Or then-current (pre-exodus)?
Asafum@feddit.nl 16 hours ago
I really don’t think so. The vast majority of internet users just stick with whatever simple thing that serves their need. Lemmy isn’t the most difficult thing, but if reddit already exists and is more popular than people won’t be leaving that for this if they haven’t already.
The boost in people coming here last year was a “last straw” kind of deal from people using reddit who cared enough about not supporting their shit decisions, but by now that has died down and we’ve seen from recent articles that reddit “won” and they have a metric fuckton of users.
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Things need to be really bad at Reddit before most people would consider leaving. On the other hand, Lemmy would need to be amazingly good to produce the same effect. Neither of these have happened yet, so only few people migrated.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I think the only thing that would 100% kill Reddit is a paid subscription, anything other than that O don’t see it.
ohellidk@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
the place is infested with bots, and that’s probably “winning” to them.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I think it’s already popular.
Valmond@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Yeah, I loke ig a lot!
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Oh, of course. We’ll easily be just as popular as Matrix and Mastodon.
sigh
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Hey, I had a conversation on Matrix that one time!
And my Mastodon feed has TONS of content from George Takei.
h3mlocke@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
Don’t really care either way, i like it here.
_____@lemm.ee 9 hours ago
very hot take:
regular people will never get rid of twitter or meta, Facebook. YouTube. it’s incompatible with their psychology.
they need to use what other people are using, they need to see “content” from their followed users
switching to another platform will kill that for them for weeks and stall their “growth”
to be forward thinking and to give up something you’ve had is too much for the average person
which is why I’m on Lemmy: there’s nothing reddit offers to me that makes me “give” it up, it’s always been there but now that there’s competition it’s worth trying something new out
I honestly think id anything Lemmy will have a slow decrease of users until it comes to a halt
11111one11111@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I mean, noone used reddit 10 years ago. To a 37 year old like myself, that shit blew up out of nowhere. Youtube is just a matter of time and outcome of future google break up cases before a legitimate competition comes for its industry share. FB will die with the boomers. The only one I see as a really unmovable object is Twitter because of the universal use by all major sports media/reporting/journalists. It’s the only one with end users applying the platform in any comercial sense outside of marketing. Just my opinion tho so take it with a grain of salt.
Sundial@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
I think the Fediverse will be popular. It’s already being adopted by Meta in the way of Threads.
Popularity comes when major companies, like Meta, push for something to be in the mainstream. Will Lemmy be popular and be pushed for the mainstream? Probably not. The mindset of the majority of the admins is against streamlining it. It’s why we have a bunch of instances and why so many of them defederated from Threads (which I agree with). They’ve even taken steps to stop having so many people default to the .world instance in an attempt to diversify it.
Vespair@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
I think we’re going to need to start by defining what “popular” means.
According to fedidb.org/software/lemmy, there are 462,745 total Lemmy users. (Note: I know nothing about this site or their metrics; I literally just Googled “Lemmy users.”)
If 462,745 people showed up to my birthday party, I would feel like the most popular person on the planet.
So, I think we need to consider a less abstract figure to answer this. Will Lemmy ever be as popular as a place like Reddit? I think that’s extremely unlikely, at least not anytime soon. But will Lemmy ever be popular enough to sustain an engaged community? I dunno; I kind of think we’re already there.
Maybe this is the old head in me, but I remember the decentralized days of the early internet, where communities weren’t oceans of people on social media giants, but rather smaller, close-knit forums and message boards. If you spent a few months interacting, you would likely get to know and have specific opinions about individual users that you would regularly engage with, unlike the sort of hit-and-run buzz style of the modern social internet. I think right now, Lemmy is almost treading a special sweet spot between the two eras, and I’m pretty happy with it.
Although I will concede that I’m as addicted to social media as everyone else is these days, and I would certainly welcome the increase in on-the-minute activity that additional users would bring.
simple@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
462k are the people that have created an account, Lemmy actually has ~40k active users (and even then “active” just means they logged in once this month). I do share the sentiment that not everything has to be super popular but Lemmy really could use more people.
Vespair@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
I appreciate the clarity, thank you. As I said, I pulled a random googled number and wasn’t trying to use it as the sticking point of my commentary. But also for what it’s worth, it’s not exactly a fair comparison to the larger giants either as lemmy’s smaller scale means it is also less trafficked by bots, fake accounts, secondary novelty accounts, etc. Depending on what source you’re looking at, twitter is claimed to be anywhere between 15-75% bot or fake accounts. In general my point was there are still a large number of people using lemmy on most scales, we are just choosing to view it on the scale of established corporate social media metrics.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
Might consider that a lot of people have alts, maybe even 5+ alts, and there are a lot of bots.
40,000 monthly active users is probably a more useful number here.
Vespair@lemm.ee 12 hours ago
40,000 monthly active users is probably a more useful number here.
I fully agree. Again, I did not think that the random figure, which I tried to appropriately caveat, was the salient part of my comment.
Abrinoxus@thelemmy.club 12 hours ago
This right here
accarezzu@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
I wish
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
It depends whether the servers can handle the inevitable next Reddit exodus.
wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
Honestly no, and that’s okay?
Early web2 websites like MySpace did become “popular”. But IMO one of its layckings was trying out web2 by evolving something from web1’s static websites.
Where Facebook is the platform that popularized web2 in a way that worked with what web2 was and fundamentally build something new off of that.
I think Lemmy/mastatdon/most current federated clones that exist today won’t last all that long. Something that is built with federation to its core and instead of just being a feature, is central to its offering.
What is that? Not a god damn clue.
But I’m excited to try it out.
Disclaimer: not a historian. Born in the early 90s so a lot of my judgement above is bassed off of foggy memories and are my opinions and only opions.
cabbage@piefed.social 15 hours ago
I'm gonna say yes, for the exercise.
Four assumptions:
- Reddit will keep getting worse, due to the nature of enshittification and venture capital. Eventually enshittification reaches a breaking point where people leave or stop arriving.
- Lemmy (in a broad sense - et al!) will keep getting better, due to.the nature of open source software.
- Non-free alternatives to Reddit will eventually enshittify, law of enshittification.
- Free alternatives will use ActivityPub for the obvious advantages.
If these assumptions are met, given infinite rounds of enshittification and unhappy users, eventually a federated and free alternative will be the most lucrative option for the majority of users. Eventually Reddit will Digg itself a hole. Maybe Lemmy won't take over then, but it'll stick around.
The most unrealistic assumption is of course that the federated solutions will keep getting better indefinitely. Maybe they won't. But as long as people keep developing and contributing to the Fediverse, it's alive and improving in a way commercial alternatives cannot in the long run compete with.
it_depends_man@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Depends, it’s been a bit disappointing to see virtually no change since I started using it, particularly in terms of QoL. It is open source, so that’s on everyone, including me, but I had hoped for more speed, etc…
Mastodon is way better when it comes to filtering.
Having the option of a reddit clone is pretty good though and I will stick with it. Who knows when and where it will get that critical bit of momentum.
It’s already superior to regular forums, in my opinion, so now the question is what kind of format you want to have discussions in, instead of having to default to forums. That choice is a definite upside and I’m glad it exists.
lurch@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
I hope not. Imagine all the crazies.
The__the@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
so you prefer smaller forums to bigger forums like reddit?
lurch@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
I prefer social media where people post because they have content, need help or want ro discuss something, not just post to be hip or the site is popular.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Not with how federation works on Lemmy.
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 hours ago
I don’t think the form of Lemmy as a federated service will be able to scale.
What I expect is that, if Lemmy is successful, it will be as a platform for various Reddit alternatives, kind of like how Truth Social is Mastodon.
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
I can’t foresee Lemmy specifically reaching levels of popularity comparable to platforms like Twitter or Reddit. Barring some very strange disastrous upheaval of the whole landscape they and their ilk will continue to be Leviathans even with decisions at the top that look like outright sabotage. There is so much inertia. Maybe those two examples might disappear, but only if they’re devoured by another just like them.
I can see Lemmy and similar Federated platforms with their quite sizeable yet comparatively miniscule user bases carrying on as they are and even growing a little bit and having some effect on the zeitgeist with the occasional piece of local culture seeping in to the wider platforms though people there will likely not know that’s where it came from. I also think efforts like Threads or likely something similar that comes after will be where the fediverse meets any mainstream success essentially becoming part of those bigger platforms in some way I can’t yet predict in detail.
The big appeal of Lemmy is ideological and technical, this will always limit the number of people drawn to it. If there weren’t already giants in this space that wouldn’t matter because there’d be a snowball effect that would draw crowds who came because of other people not because of any interest in how the platform functions or ideals to pursue and with those crowds could come more crowds until you have a critical mass. But with the situation as it is now, the big crowds that draw yet more crowds still, are elsewhere so you’ll only ever have enthusiasts or ideologues that go out of their way to be here.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I much rather that Lemmy remain the domain of people who want to use it because of how & why it differs from the commercial sites. Good! Then I can have a reasonable expectation of the demographics. The occasional shit mod notwithstanding.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
No.
They just copied redit. That included some bad decisions. Even when redit would do it better in the future, it still does not help lemmings.
originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
Which instance?
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 15 hours ago
Not unless it gets a good marketing team.
DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Yes
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
It’s popular enough for me already. I kind of hope it doesn’t become the online site because that will just attract trolls.
ktowner15@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
This was my thinking; along the lines of “<thinking of Reddit> God, I hope not.”