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  • kersplomp@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    We should always add a mental asterisk to the names of male researchers who discovered things while women were oppressed.

    That said, this meme is playing loose and fast with the specifics, which undermines that important message.

    Just picking the first one:

    Payne’s work was her Ph.D. thesis and Russell did not tell her not to publish it, her advisor did. The advisor told her not to rock the boat in her thesis. This is good advice that even Einstein was given.

    When Russell later reproduced her research, he cited her thesis as the “most important research” he’d seen on the subject.

    The real snub with Payne is that her title was “Technical Advisor” for 20 years despite being well regarded as a full time professor. It wasn’t until the 50’s she was recognized as a professor, when she was also made chair of the department.

    Source: www.amnh.org/learn-teach/…/cecilia-payne-profile

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    • g_the_b@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They’re all like that. For some reason trying to make the men out as bad people… When nothing really happened. Wish people could try to appreciate women’s contributions without trying to diminish men’s contributions or create a false narrative.

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      • fsxylo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Everything has to be a Hollywood production. It’s brainrot.

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  • Bonifratz@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    See also Rosalind Franklin who first discovered DNA’s double helix structure (three men later received the Nobel Prize for this finding).

    And more examples here.

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    • Bestaa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Franklin might have won the prize, had she not died 4 years before the prize was awarded. Rules forbid the Nobel being awarded to the deceased.

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      • Bonifratz@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        True. But it’s still three men named in the list of Nobel Prize winners, when a woman first made the actual discoveries. So even if there was no foulplay, it’s important to shine a light on women like Franklin.

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    • Drewsteau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Fuck Watson and Crick, all my homies hate Watson and Crick

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  • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    When I took some astronomy classes in the early 2000s, Jocelyn Bell was absolutely credited. In her own words:

    It has been suggested that I should have had a part in the Nobel Prize awarded to Tony Hewish for the discovery of pulsars. There are several comments that I would like to make on this: First, demarcation disputes between supervisor and student are always difficult, probably impossible to resolve. Secondly, it is the supervisor who has the final responsibility for the success or failure of the project. We hear of cases where a supervisor blames his student for a failure, but we know that it is largely the fault of the supervisor. It seems only fair to me that he should benefit from the successes, too. Thirdly, I believe it would demean Nobel Prizes if they were awarded to research students, except in very exceptional cases, and I do not believe this is one of them. Finally, I am not myself upset about it - after all, I am in good company, am I not!

    That said, yeah, I think she absolutely should have been awarded the Nobel prize. But while she did not, she has the admiration — rightly so — of many a budding astronomer.

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  • Asetru@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Lise Meitner went on to be forgotten? In my city, a big street bears her name, including the tram station there. Fittingly, it’s the tram to the University that stops there. Essentially, her name is hammered into all students’ heads here.

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    • Jesus_666@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      My reaction exactly. I studied there as well. Lise Meitner may be underappreciated but at least someone made sure she’s not forgotten.

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    • CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Not to mention she’s been immortalized as Meitnerium

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    • macros@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Also she herself said that Otto Hahn deserved the Nobel prize. She and Otto Frisch (far kess known than she is!) did the theoretical work regarding the physics behind it.

      But Pauli got the physics prize that year, and he sure deserves it. Maybe one of the later prices could have been awarded to her.

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      • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Otto Frisch is better known these days because he went on to work on the Manhatten Project. He appeared as a character in Oppenheimer.

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    • Metz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Right? In germany there is a lot named after her. e.g. The Institute for Nuclear Research in Berlin is the “Hahn-Meitner-Institut” (after her and Otto Hahn). There are countless Schools and streets named after her all over the country.

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    • Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Agree. There’s a street, a monument, a research facility and two schools with her name in a 10km radius of me.

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    • dragynbob@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      She also has an element named after her

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  • StrongHorseWeakNeigh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Some of the best evidence we discovered for tectonic plates was discovered by a woman. Marie Tharp discovered the Mid-Atlantic ridge and had her work stolen by her colleague.

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  • Zombiepirate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Don’t forget Mary Anning!

    Anning searched for fossils in the area’s Blue Lias and Charmouth Mudstone cliffs, particularly during the winter months when landslides exposed new fossils that had to be collected quickly before they were lost to the sea. Her discoveries included the first correctly identified ichthyosaur skeleton when she was twelve years old; the first two nearly complete plesiosaur skeletons; the first pterosaur skeleton located outside Germany; and fish fossils. Her observations played a key role in the discovery that coprolites, known as bezoar stones at the time, were fossilised faeces, and she also discovered that belemnite fossils contained fossilised ink sacs like those of modern cephalopods.

    Anning struggled financially for much of her life. As a woman, she was not eligible to join the Geological Society of London, and she did not always receive full credit for her scientific contributions. However, her friend, geologist Henry De la Beche, who painted Duria Antiquior, the first widely circulated pictorial representation of a scene from prehistoric life derived from fossil reconstructions, based it largely on fossils Anning had found and sold prints of it for her benefit.

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  • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Considering how this graph… Hmm… Shall we say… Takes a number of creative liberties with actual history surrounding these great women, doesn’t this graph undermine its own message?

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      In what ways?

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      • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I don’t know the context, but it sounds like the person your responding to says the achievements from these women are exaggerated in the meme, and by lying about the value of their contributions you’re discrediting the “women in STEM” movement

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  • Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Shout out to the bad bitch Margaret Hamilton who was a coder for the Apollo 11 mission. She was a huge inspiration to me as a kid and they made a Lego set that included her.

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  • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    My former best friend one day out of the blue told me he thought that women are on average smarter than men but are not capable of rising to the very top level of human intellect. His “proof” of this was the fact that nearly all major scientific discoveries have been made by men. Needless to say, he thought of himself as being at the highest level of human intellect - despite having made no major scientific discoveries himself (or even minor ones for that matter). This was the beginning of the end of our friendship, and I’m only embarrassed that it wasn’t instantly the end of our friendship.

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  • thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Image

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  • Technotica@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    At least Lise Meitner is not forgotten, I currently work in a building on Lise-Meitner Street!

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  • Prethoryn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Where is my fucking lady Rosalind Franklin at?

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      TBF the male researchers involved in Franklin’s case are/were straight-up assholes across the board, not just sexist appropriators.

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    • Drewsteau@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      First thing I thought too!!

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I always take posts like this with a big grain of salt. Yes, women were oppressed and in many places still are, but posts like these tend to stretch and exaggerate the truth because they WANT to find oppression of women. They WANT the fight, and they want the fight to still be here and burning brightly today to justify actions many would find questionable at best.

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Okay, how was the truth stretched here?

      EDIT: Fun fact for you, in the USA in 1970 8% of stem workers were female. Today, its 27%.

      It should be 50%.

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Okay, how was the truth stretched here?

        Payne was credited by Russel, who is not the one who told her not to publish, and she became a Department Chair.

        Josselyn Bell actually argued against the point of this meme in her own words decades ago.

        Lisa Meitner said Otto deserved that Nobel Prize.

        Franklin might have recieved the prize in person if she were alive at the time (dead people do not qualify to recieve it).

        It should be 50%

        Then ask women to enter stem, you and I do not have the authority to force them to do anything they don’t want to do.

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      • you_dont_666@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Why should it be 50%?

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  • psycotica0@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Actually, that Hertha Ayrton quote at the end? That was actually me. I said that.

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  • Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Who is downvoting this?

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    • yannic@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Probably people who have heard of these scientists being credited for their work.

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      • Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        So, how about you go ahead and do the math on how long it took for that to finally happen for each of these women? And when you’re done not bothering to do that, go ahead and admit that you wouldn’t be pissed at all if your hard work and lifetime of research and sacrifice was credited to someone else- and not corrected until you’re long dead.

        Because I’ll be waiting here to call you a liar.

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    • NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Have you met men on the internet lately? like a 1/3 chance of intense misogyny.

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      • Soulg@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Lmao what

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    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Half this list is nobel prizes going to supervisors when the woman in question was either a student or dead, neither of which qualify for a nobel prize.

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    • nonailsleft@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      If we’re still honest here, didn’t these men just shield them from the burdend of fame and criticism?

      So they could focus on their families

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      • iheartneopets@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I think people missed your sarcasm lol

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  • dharmacurious@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’d love to meet whoever made this graphic. Shake his hand. Seems like a good dude.

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    • Zementid@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Lol… what?

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      • dharmacurious@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        My attempt at a joke about casual sexism. I was a little high, and I’m not sure if it landed

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    • Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Probably made by a promising young man.

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  • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Missing the mention of Einstein’s first wife?

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  • buzz86us@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And of course Headie Lamar gets snubbed with this graphic… The woman who is the reason most of us are online, and able to listen to our podcasts

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    • Klear@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I believe her contributions are farily well known nowadays. The idea was probably to highlight those that most people never heard of.

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  • uis@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I wamted to post Ada Lovelace and Maria Curie, but then I read image.

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    • wieson@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Marie Skłodowska Curie

      For our polish friends

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      • uis@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Bobr says yes.

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  • steeznson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Could also add Marie Curie in there. I didn’t realise until recently that there is a lot of controversy over France “claiming her achievements” since she was born and educated in Poland.

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    • anzo@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s not sexist to credit the french. France is gay. /s

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    • LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I think you missed the point of the list. See the third line? “Too bad a man was given all the credit.” The France/Poland thing isn’t related.

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      • steeznson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I thought her husband took a lot of the credit at the time. Might be mistaken about that though.

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  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Nowadays the men have learned to be more subtle and would say “and thanks to Lise for arranging the socials”.

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  • manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The nobel prize is a fucking self congratulatory sham anyway if you read about its history

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      They gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a war criminal.

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      • Fox@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Henry Kissinger? Or Barack Obama?

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The clearest case of this is when Jethro Tull won the Nobel Heavy Metal prize.

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    • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Inventor of dynamite’s legacy: pin awards on great discoveries.

      How did you think that would pan out?

      To the best, or to the loudest & most destructive?

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  • plinky@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Meitner at least got element out of this

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  • BilboBargains@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Based and redpilled scientists

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  • HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Sad

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